BREAKING: US Launches Tomahawks Into Syria

Apparently, Trump did. And he has the best intel in the world, doncha know?

I'm not sure about that. He is a bullshit artist. When he gave his speech tonight and mentioned the children, there was not only sadness, but guilt which I saw coming through. At least, that is how I read his body language.
 
He needs to fire them all. He's supposed to be good at firing people, we have entire departments that need to be fired.
Yeah but lets give Chris Christie a job, that guy doesn't abuse power. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
:rolleyes: Okay. So a vote in congress now is not a decision. LOL. You've just jumped the shark.

of course they are "decisions". the point in the context for which we were speaking is that Ron Paul's "decisions" carried no weight, no consequence. In other words, his "decisions" were inconsequential. Just like anyone who made the "decision" to not vote for Trump had an inconsequential vote/decision.

I've given you several examples of Ron Paul not batting 1000 on all of his decisions and choices. I really shouldn't have to explain how no one is perfect and how my vote for Trump doesn't mean I vote for bombs and aggression. I know who you voted for and I know you have no regrets, regardless of the fact that the man you voted for has political decision making fuckups. Sure, he's the politician with probably the least amount of political decision making fuckups, great, you win a prize for voting for him.

My conscious is clear because participating in politics is not something I hang my moral hat on.
 
I don't either.

I do see the MSM saying they think there will be more of the same kind of chemical attacks.

Guess they might have something planned.

Probably something in the US. Something here (false flag, of course) is what would be needed to justify public support of further escalation. FYI, May 1 is a major TPTB "holiday", called Beltane.
 
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of course they are "decisions". the point in the context for which we were speaking is that Ron Paul's "decisions" carried no weight, no consequence. In other words, his "decisions" were inconsequential. Just like anyone who made the "decision" to not vote for Trump had an inconsequential vote/decision.

Okay. Congress doesn't matter. Got it. Amash and Massie should just resign.


I've given you several examples of Ron Paul not batting 1000 on all of his decisions and choices. I really shouldn't have to explain how no one is perfect and how my vote for Trump doesn't mean I vote for bombs and aggression. I know who you voted for and I know you have no regrets, regardless of the fact that the man you voted for has political decision making $#@!ups. Sure, he's the politician with probably the least amount of political decision making $#@!ups, great, you win a prize for voting for him.

I never said you voted for bombs. I gave you clear examples of votes I regretted making and why. None of your examples that you are pinning on Ron Paul have anything to do with votes. Ron never promised to always pick the best people to run his campaigns. Ron never promised to make the decision you wanted him to make regarding a domain name for a website.

My conscious is clear because participating in politics is not something I hang my moral hat on.

Regretting a vote does not mean you don't have a clear conscience. I regret some of my votes. That doesn't mean I had done anything morally wrong.
 
Even if by some bizarre means a diplomatic resolution to this happens in the next week, it's awful stuff.

Just like every one of America's military interventions, tonight's action will have an avalanche of unintended consequences. At "best," many of those consequences won't affect America or Americans directly. But they will stretch decades into the future. So many will die and the pain and loss will be extended further than it is already - more dead kids, more dead parents, more refugees, more terrorists. Consider that tonight's attack is very nearly on the 14th anniversary of the Battle of Baghdad and muse a little on what proceeded from that.

There's not going to be a quick resolution. Why? trump was always a tool of neocons and the MIC. He bankrolled them and hobnobbed with them. A quick Google will get you a photo of trump with the worst of them. You can find him alternately insulting and endorsing virtually all of them. Enemy Nikki Haley becomes US Ambassador etc etc. It's all a charade. trump's long-time adversarial stance against Ron Paul marked him as a militarist. His first foreign policy cabinet appointments were noteworthy for their anti-Islamic uniformity. The opening months of his administration have been massive escalations of militarism, capped with a flamboyant, unconstitutional invasion of a sovereign nation.

What happens to America is only one part of the picture. The idea that the Syria attack is because of sad videos of dying kids is absurd. As far as I can tell, trump really doesn't think the lives of Arabs are worth as much as those of Americans. Their deaths don't phase him. And he doesn't think the lives of Americans at large are worth as much as his plutocrat friends from Goldman Sachs. Don't be shocked if we get the draft back in the next year or two. He has abdicated control to MIC generals and the CIA, enabling a more stealthy militarism that won't be observable even to the MSM. It's already up to independent agencies (one funded by an organization founded by Soros!) to make an attempt at assessing the human cost of our increasing foreign adventurism.

At "worst," we will have massive conscription and an unimaginable quagmire that kills our kids and makes the Iraq wars and Afghanistan look smalltime. I guess some people would call that WWIII. trump believes in making wild gambles. If they fail sometimes, that's okay, he'll make up for it with later successes. His gamble this time is giving control of war to the MIC and CIA. But his failures have never before resulted in the kind of unintended consequences that result in mass murder of innocent people, via conventional terrorism, or chemical or biological weapons, or nukes. In business, the man is an amusing maverick. As the leader of a militaristic nation-state, he's a catalyst for evil.

trump is the enemy. He's always been a con, a trickster, and a liar. It's forgivable to be charmed by him. But he's against peace, he's against free markets, he's against life itself. Zippy is not your enemy, trump is your enemy. Those who are shocked by tonight's action should consider the possibility that none of that is an overstatement.
 
What a crazy week this has been. We went from the Obama administration and Susan Rice being on the hook for illegal spying to the start of WW3 in the span of 4 days. Trump just took us down the rabbit hole.
 
Okay. Congress doesn't matter. Got it. Amash and Massie should just resign.




I never said you voted for bombs. I gave you clear examples of votes I regretted making and why. None of your examples that you are pinning on Ron Paul have anything to do with votes. Ron never promised to always pick the best people to run his campaigns. Ron never promised to make the decision you wanted him to make regarding a domain name for a website.



Regretting a vote does not mean you don't have a clear conscience. I regret some of my votes. That doesn't mean I had done anything morally wrong.

Congress matters when they make a new law. The person who voted no when the law was passed didn't matter for that law. Unless they made sure to get the stuff they wanted in it before voting no so they could say they opposed it. That happened, that's when Ron Paul mattered while he was in Congress. That was the decisions he made that had consequences, actual outcomes. How you get "congress doesn't matter" out of what I said is just some ignoring what I said I guess.

That's fine, you regret your votes. That's your personal feeling and you had your reasons. Tonight, Trump dropped bombs. I already said I don't support it. It also doesn't make me feel regret for voting for him.

This is clearly a moral dilemma that folks here are trying to cast on Trump voters. Typically my personal feeling of regret come when I have acted immorally. There is a big difference for me making a decision that fails and making a decision that is immoral. I do both sometimes, but my feelings of regret don't crop up because I do something dumb, or lose, or miscalculate. My feelings of regret come when I know I am doing something wrong and I do it anyways. That is immoral and when I realize I am acting like that, I feel like shit and apologize. Not going to happen in my vote for Trump because I already got everything I expected out of that decision. To me it was a no brainer. It was an easy vote. As easy as voting for Ron Paul when I had the chance to do that.
 
Even if by some bizarre means a diplomatic resolution to this happens in the next week, it's awful stuff.

Just like every one of America's military interventions, tonight's action will have an avalanche of unintended consequences. At "best," many of those consequences won't affect America or Americans directly. But they will stretch decades into the future. So many will die and the pain and loss will be extended further than it is already - more dead kids, more dead parents, more refugees, more terrorists. Consider that tonight's attack is very nearly on the 14th anniversary of the Battle of Baghdad and muse a little on what proceeded from that.

There's not going to be a quick resolution. Why? trump was always a tool of neocons and the MIC. He bankrolled them and hobnobbed with them. A quick Google will get you a photo of trump with the worst of them. You can find him alternately insulting and endorsing virtually all of them. Enemy Nikki Haley becomes US Ambassador etc etc. It's all a charade. trump's long-time adversarial stance against Ron Paul marked him as a militarist. His first foreign policy cabinet appointments were noteworthy for their anti-Islamic uniformity. The opening months of his administration have been massive escalations of militarism, capped with a flamboyant, unconstitutional invasion of a sovereign nation.

What happens to America is only one part of the picture. The idea that the Syria attack is because of sad videos of dying kids is absurd. As far as I can tell, trump really doesn't think the lives of Arabs are worth as much as those of Americans. Their deaths don't phase him. And he doesn't think the lives of Americans at large are worth as much as his plutocrat friends from Goldman Sachs. Don't be shocked if we get the draft back in the next year or two. He has abdicated control to MIC generals and the CIA, enabling a more stealthy militarism that won't be observable even to the MSM. It's already up to independent agencies (one funded by an organization founded by Soros!) to make an attempt at assessing the human cost of our increasing foreign adventurism.

At "worst," we will have massive conscription and an unimaginable quagmire that kills our kids and makes the Iraq wars and Afghanistan look smalltime. I guess some people would call that WWIII. trump believes in making wild gambles. If they fail sometimes, that's okay, he'll make up for it with later successes. His gamble this time is giving control of war to the MIC and CIA. But his failures have never before resulted in the kind of unintended consequences that result in mass murder of innocent people, via conventional terrorism, or chemical or biological weapons, or nukes. In business, the man is an amusing maverick. As the leader of a militaristic nation-state, he's a catalyst for evil.

trump is the enemy. He's always been a con, a trickster, and a liar. It's forgivable to be charmed by him. But he's against peace, he's against free markets, he's against life itself. Zippy is not your enemy, trump is your enemy. Those who are shocked by tonight's action should consider the possibility that none of that is an overstatement.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to undergroundrr again.
 
Well that power doesn't exist in a vacuum now does it? I agree if no one voted, there would be a huge power vacuum. I suppose that means that power would just vanish.
I want a government so small there is no power to buy. I don't want the last tickets to Disneyland before it burns down.
 
I want a government so small there is no power to buy. I don't want the last tickets to Disneyland before it burns down.

I don't think the quantitative measure of power is proportional to the size of government. Disneyland is overrated.
 
The original point was that this proves Trump voters were wrong for voting for him over Hillary.

No it wasn't. No one made any such "point."

The point that Hillary would be even worse is not to give Trump a pass, but to refute the stupid idea that this proves we should've voted for her.

No one said that "this proves we should've voted for her."

Except for ghengis86, no one even mentioned Hillary until you replied to CaptUSA's accusation that "you wanted this shit" by saying "It's not like Hillary wouldn't have done this."

Hillary no longer has anything to do with anything, and she hasn't since she lost the election.

So I repeat: why do you and others persist in going on about what Hillary would have done (except in order to deflect criticism away from Trump)?
 
Wall? What wall?



So ... it's gone from "Hillary would be much worse" to "Hillary wouldn't have been much better " ...

Hillary would not have been better in this regard. And in other areas, she would be far worse.

The US is the sht country of the planet, next to Israel.

And all the Presidents going back to Bush have all sucked. It appears that Trump is just as bad as every other President I've been old enough to vote for or against.

Trump is looking to be about the same as all of our garbage Presidents. Reagan was light on the wars, actually, but from Bush on, all the Presidents have sucked at foreign policy and not attacking other countries and killing their people.

Assad, the Syrian President killed Syrians (supposedly). How many Syrians have we already killed this year?

Why does the media give 0 fcks when the US kills hundreds or thousands of Syrians, but when the Syrians kill Syrians, it's a major problem?

The US kills thousands of Syrians and it doesn't make the news. Assad might've killed dozens of Syrians, oh, we gotta kill tens of thousands of Syrians now.

We're the sht country of the world.
 
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