BREAKING: Trump To Appoint John Bolton as National Security Advisor

BOOOOOOOOOOO!

I guess this means McMaster was the one who told him not to congratulate Putin and then leaked about it.
 
axiomata said:
At least on the positive side, this place isn't overrun by Trump sycophants at the moment.
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I never understood why people would be able to explain why they liked liberty (which was/is? a requirement to join here), and then support a man who has showed nothing but disdain for liberty. The liberty lovers with a latent love for tyrants? Interesting stuff.
 
Anti-Neocon said:
I never understood why people would be able to explain why they liked liberty (which was/is? a requirement to join here), and then support a man who has showed nothing but disdain for liberty. The liberty lovers with a latent love for tyrants? Interesting stuff.
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Just because they want liberty for themselves doesn't mean that they also agree that everybody else should have it.

This is the trap that culture warriors (on the right) and SJWs (primarily on the left) fall into: They want the government to endorse and/or enforce the "freedom" to do the things that they feel should be done while simultaneously forbidding all other things. They wish to explicitly give up their liberty in order to use government as a weapon against their neighbors.

This same group is constantly surprised when, as the years pass or elections change the balance of power in government, they end up being the ones looking down the barrel of that weapon. Then and only then do they start shrieking about liberty. When the powers that be seem to be on their side again, liberty is forgotten and they once again see freedom as an obstacle to be overcome. The entirety of this cycle can be seen quite clearly on this forum.
 
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Anti-Neocon said:
I never understood why people would be able to explain why they liked liberty (which was/is? a requirement to join here), and then support a man who has showed nothing but disdain for liberty. The liberty lovers with a latent love for tyrants? Interesting stuff.
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Maybe you are jumping too conclusions on support and opinion of some forum members of Trump.

When the only viable choices are.

A. Openly vocal Neocon promoting bombing Syria and Russia during the campaign. Complete disregard of the risk of ending the world with WIII with Russia. Past track record of implementing Neoconservative policies.

vs

B. Openly vocal against bombing Syria and Russia during the campaign. Openly vocal against the Iraq war. Makes claims we should work with Russia rather than an adversary. Long history of bashing Neocons despite promoting Neocons policies prior to that.

Which one are you going to pick?

Since your handle is Anti-Neocon, one would expect you to understand this.
 
kahless said:
Maybe you are jumping too conclusions on support and opinion of some forum members of Trump.

When the only viable choices are.

A. Openly vocal Neocon promoting bombing Syria and Russia during the campaign. Complete disregard of the risk of ending the world with WIII with Russia. Past track record of implementing Neoconservative policies.

vs

B. Openly vocal against bombing Syria and Russia during the campaign. Openly vocal against the Iraq war. Makes claims we should work with Russia rather than an adversary. Long history of bashing Neocons despite promoting Neocons policies prior to that.

Which one are you going to pick?

Since your handle is Anti-Neocon, one would expect you to understand this.
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We just want you to consider Rand Paul as a second choice, Kahless.
 
Origanalist said:
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^Good example of what I was saying above.

Bolton won't be able to keep his trap shut if Trump does not play along with his recommendations and will be out before too long. Not liking the pick at all but something to be said for surrounding yourself with opposing viewpoints. However a concern with Trump considering the fear he can be easily persuaded by whomever is in his ear at the time. One can also hope that as in the past Trump has consistently given the Neocons a rope to hang themselves with.
 
kahless said:
^Good example of what I was saying above.

Bolton won't be able to keep his trap shut if Trump does not play along with his recommendations and will be out before too long. Not liking the pick at all but something to be said for surrounding yourself with opposing viewpoints. However a concern with Trump considering the fear he can be easily persuaded by whomever is in his ear at the time. One can also hope that as in the past Trump has consistently given the Neocons a rope to hang themselves with.
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Would it be possible to look back and notice that Trump was lying before he was elected? Good ole RPF it shows up under "related"

Trump against Iraq war, but when asked to name military advisor, Bolton is first name he drops

By economics102 in forum 2016 Presidential Election: GOP & Dem

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TheCount said:
That's an hour and three minutes of video.

Do you actually expect anyone but the rabidly faithful to watch that drivel? And for what, to hear Cernovich tie himself into a pretzel trying to explain this latest stable genius 32DD chess maneuver by his God Emperor?
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Cernovich was a personal enemy of McMaster, so you get to hear some inside baseball.

The bulk of the content is probably in the first video and toward the beginning of the second.
 
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