Breaking News: Utah GOP Convention

i doubt rocky anderson is going to endorse paul. he's a democrat and i could see him endorsing gravel or kucinich. he definitely could make a passing remark saying paul's the only one on the other side with any sense.
 
austin356 said:
Is Utah a "winner take all" state, in regards to delegates?
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Yes, Utah is a winner take all state. There was an effort to change that this last State Central Committee meeting, it had a majority but fell short of the 2/3rds required.

The effort will continue through election season.
 
DjLoTi said:
Utah lives, speaks, and breathes mormon. My friend told me she had trouble getting a job because she was not mormon. Mitt is most likely Utah's hero
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I'll try and enlighten you on the Utah situation.

First, if your friend can't get a job she is really playing the victim. Being LDS has nothing to do with employment chances. Employers are very very careful about that.

The reason that Romney has heavy support in Utah is not solely because he is LDS, because of that affiliation he is much more likely than the rest of the field (excluding all other data) to have similar values that they have. He probably does in his personal life from my research, but this is starkly different from his public stances which are the antithesis of most people around here. But in ignorance the default is Romney.

His liberal record is not reported here, the local media gives him a total pass (read, nothing is published) on his compromises and betrayals of conservatives and pro-family groups in Mass. He's painted the rather good cover story with the evolving views bit. If we can educate the people in Utah well enough they can be turned to do what is right as his story is shattered in light of the truth and extensiveness of his record.

Anyway, the keys to swaying the Utah vote rests not with just the card carrying republicans but with the growing body of independents in Utah combined with democrats that can be convinced to vote in the Utah Republican primary. Republicans will need to be convinced, but with good exposure, I'm sure we can get a much larger chunk of the voters.

Ron Paul has much more energy, organization, people, and effort behind his campaign. He is less well known, but we had at least 2 or 3 times the presence at the convention than any other candidate, including Romney.
 
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Therion, it has made some of the local media. however it is being somewhat downplayed.

Ronbot, we disagree. we think Ron Paul will easily take Utah. We know it will take work but the Mormon faith is very good about wanting to follow the Constitution. We have already started to gather resources to help educate them on the beliefs, how Romney does not follow them, and how Ron Paul is the excellent choice.
 
UtahApocalypse said:
Ronbot, we disagree. we think Ron Paul will easily take Utah. We know it will take work but the Mormon faith is very good about wanting to follow the Constitution. We have already started to gather resources to help educate them on the beliefs, how Romney does not follow them, and how Ron Paul is the excellent choice.
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You underestimate the Iron fist faith holds its believers in. Utah is not voting for Romney the person, they're voting for Romney the Mormon.

Unless you manage to label Dr. Paul as a staunch Mormon, Romney will take Utah without competition. February fast approaches - Romney's 75+% margin will carry Utah.
 
Ronbot said:
You underestimate the Iron fist faith holds its believers in. Utah is not voting for Romney the person, they're voting for Romney the Mormon.

Unless you manage to label Dr. Paul as a staunch Mormon, Romney will take Utah without competition. February fast approaches - Romney's 75+% margin will carry Utah.
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Some individuals are indeed like that.

The mormon faith is rooted in America and the Constitution is essentially enshrined as scripture.

The default position is to vote for "Romney the Mormon", but people are not so unthinking that they won't change their tune once their perspective changes a bit. Doing the legwork on the ground is what will make it possible to overcome this hump.

Don't give up hope so easily, we've got a strong loyal support base here and we have a candidate that I believe in more than anyone I have ever seen run.
 
romney taking utah is expected. however, paul taking second place, as in the straw poll with show strength.
 
You guys are doing a great job. In regards to Ron not taking Utah, who knows stranger things have happened. Keeping spreading the word. Even if the chances of taking Utah are low you are boosting Ron Paul's war chest by getting the word out and encouraging donations.
 
lucky said:
Expected that Romney would do very well there but it is awesometo see Ron Paul come in second in an actual straw vote. I would have expected McCain.

Spin that National GOP.
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I am LDS, and the interesting thing is it is a fundamental part of LDS theology that the Consitution should be upheld "for the rights and protection of all flesh", that it was inspired by God as well as the principles of limited government it embodies.

LDS people can be woken up to this, and will respond to Ron Paul. Those 84 votes (yes it's been revised now) represent mostly delegates who were influenced by RP's message via media clips in a matter of minutes while walking to or from the event.

We're working hard on it up here...

One thing people don't like, regardless of religion, is being taken for granted so Romney better not :)
 
mconder said:
I take it there were a lot of Mormons voting for Romney there?

There shouldn't be. He is a disgrace as a member of our church. If you read any the writings and speaches of our former prophets David O. McKay and Ezra Taft Benson one can quickly see that Ron Paul has more in common with our beliefs than socialist Romney.
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Agreed.
 
Yeah but take out the 80% that went Romney and you would have seen many many more votes for Guiliani and McCain. Those votes probably would have gone to either of of those two. I still think Ron Paul is a long shot, but I can still hope.
 
As a Mormon, yes there are some, but definitely not a majority that will vote for Romney due to his religion.

However, do not underestimate the reverence held for the Constitution in "Mormon country". Most of the reason RP did not due MUCH better here is still a name recognition problem. People that get to know him become not just in favor of him, they go nuts for him.

Ronald Reagan is a hero around here, and when people find out that RP was one of only 4 Congressmen to endorse Reagan (in 1976), that is a huge foot in the door.

When they actually see his position on the issues and can see that he is not in this for his own glory but for the good of the country - I believe Ron Paul can definitely win Utah and win big. Right now the struggle is overcoming political apathy and getting Dr. Paul's message out.

edit: also even if Romney dropped out of the race, Giuliani will go nowhere here. McCain would pick some up, but Giuliani is about as popular here as Hillary C.
 
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