BREAKING NEWS: ronpaul.com Domain Name Battle update

[newbitech]

I'm just putting out the info i'm finding.
I can make an about us page say anything.
If I want to expend the funds on international calls, i'd call them myself. problem is- the probably don't speak english.

we then, you aren't really making an argument. the complaint showed the .org registrar already, but it really wasn't important since that domain was offered for free and obviously not accepted. Why Ron Paul did not take the .org then? That baffles me. Of course you can make up all kinds of things however you want and people will believe based on whatever they want to believe. But, the last thing you said has already been proven false, so why you'd make that statement, only you can explain. At your leisure.

 

[itshappening]

Lew Rockwell "eludes" to a lot of things that aren't true. And "something about him being a politician" is not only unconvincing it sounds contrived. Surely we can find out the facts of the matter?

Who they were really has no bearing, but are we not in favor of anonymity? Speaking for myself, I am. I why not remain anonymous by simply remaining silent on the issue instead of sharing the truth with the thousands of Ron Paul supporters who patronize their website?

No their didn't have to be a complaint file to find out who they were! You can email the people, as it's clear the someone did. Curious, have you tried to email them?
Being anonymous in domain registration is not sign of malicious intent. It keeps spam out! Keeps truly malicious people from harvesting legitimate business owners contact info!

Besides, ICANN has the real information that is validated with credit card. ICANN has the ability to discover who the registrar is. Was ICANN even contacted by Ron Paul's IP people prior to the complaint to find out how to handle anonymous registration properly? Doubt it.

When you register a domain name you agree to terms and conditions and one of them is that your a real person or company.


I don't think this JR whatever actually exists and have you tried the phone numbers listed ?

 

[PatriotOne]

No their didn't have to be a complaint file to find out who they were! You can email the people, as it's clear the someone did. Curious, have you tried to email them?
Being anonymous in domain registration is not sign of malicious intent. It keeps spam out! Keeps truly malicious people from harvesting legitimate business owners contact info!

They did email them. One called themselves Timothy Martin (no address or phone number) and the other one (georgeR1776) didn't bother to give them a name or phone number. Now the registration says someone by the name of Martha Roberts owns ronpaul.org and the other website says jnr corporation owns the other. For a website that was purported to be run by a benevolent Ron Paul supporter that's alot of names to deal with.

 

[newbitech]

I think that apparently the list of people who are approved Ron Paul supporters is getting smaller and smaller.

Human nature gives us the feeling that we belong to something special when there are but a few who share our values. This is validated when our values are shared and then accepted and adopted by a rapidly growing number of others who weren't initially aware of our values. That feeling ebbs as our values become more widespread and the exclusivity of networks and relationships wear off. The question that is coming to my mind is, does that wearing off of that feeling lead to the wearing off of the values?

 

[newbitech]

When you register a domain name you agree to terms and conditions and one of them is that your a real person or company.


I don't think this JR whatever actually exists and have you tried the phone numbers listed ?

Yeah, and you think a fake person or company has a credit card? Critical thinking skills please.

 

[newbitech]

They did email them. One called themselves Timothy Martin (no address or phone number) and the other one (georgeR1776) didn't bother to give them a name or phone number. Now the registration says someone by the name of Martha Roberts owns ronpaul.org and the other website says jnr corporation owns the other. For a website that was purported to be run by a benevolent Ron Paul supporter that's alot of names to deal with.

So what? you go by PatriotOne in these forums. You may have a business with a registered DBA. You also have a birth certificate. What does that prove about your support for Ron Paul? Nothing.

 

[itshappening]

Yeah, and you think a fake person or company has a credit card? Critical thinking skills please.

Registrar handles credit card, it doesn't matter how they pay. They dont check the name of the credit card against the name of the beneficial domain name owner.

 

[angelatc]

Human nature gives us the feeling that we belong to something special when there are but a few who share our values. This is validated when our values are shared and then accepted and adopted by a rapidly growing number of others who weren't initially aware of our values. That feeling ebbs as our values become more widespread and the exclusivity of networks and relationships wear off. The question that is coming to my mind is, does that wearing off of that feeling lead to the wearing off of the values?

I've seen it before, but it's always a shock to see how many of us bend when our principles are tested internally.

 

[newbitech]

and a point of fact RE: Thread title. This isn't breaking news. We had the .org info in when ronpaul.com posted the original complaint.

 

[newbitech]

Registrar handles credit card, it doesn't matter how they pay. They dont check the name of the credit card against the name of the beneficial domain name owner.

In the context of this whole thing, this statement makes no sense. The beneficial domain name owner? You just said this.

When you register a domain name you agree to terms and conditions and one of them is that your a real person or company.

How could you possibly use a credit card for something while simultaneous NOT in fact be a real person or real company? Are you alleging that the person who registered ronpaul.com is not a real person or real company?

And since I have done some much research in to this matter, forgive me for asking but will you please post a link and quote the section of the registrar agreement where it says "you must be a real person or a real company?"

I don't think this JR whatever actually exists and have you tried the phone numbers listed ?

I have personally email the domain owners. they exist.

 

[PatriotOne]

So what? you go by PatriotOne in these forums. You may have a business with a registered DBA. You also have a birth certificate. What does that prove about your support for Ron Paul? Nothing.

I have all of the above. But you can damn well bet that had Ron Paul's reps made an inquiry of me they would have my real name, address, phone number and I'd probably even throw in my date of birth and height and weight for good measures. They wouldn't have to file a complaint to get my registration info.

But if I was not an enthusiastic Ron Paul supporter and really a cybersquatter who feared getting caught, I'd act more like them.

 

[PatriotOne]

Registrar handles credit card, it doesn't matter how they pay. They dont check the name of the credit card against the name of the beneficial domain name owner.

Or they don't care who pays for the website. I've certainly paid for things like airline tickets with my credit card for other people and a hundred other things. I paid for a subscription to a web radio show for my sister just the other day. I paid, her name is on the membership. Happens all the time.

 

[PatriotOne]

and a point of fact RE: Thread title. This isn't breaking news. We had the .org info in when ronpaul.com posted the original complaint.

No we didn't. It was hidden behind whois privacy just like the .com was. It was unshielded prob at the same time the .com one was but no one checked the .org one again until today as far as I know....at least no one posted about it that I saw.

 

[newbitech]

I have all of the above. But you can damn well bet that had Ron Paul's reps made an inquiry of me they would have my real name, address, phone number and I'd probably even throw in my date of birth and height and weight for good measures. They wouldn't have to file a complaint to get my registration info.

But if I was not an enthusiastic Ron Paul supporter and really a cybersquatter who feared getting caught, I'd act more like them.

No offense, but I consider that to be somewhat naive. Ron Paul's reps? And you'd know this simple cause someone with a gmail account emailed you? As torch has already pointed out, it's pretty easy to spoof information on the internet.

 

[PatriotOne]

No offense, but I consider that to be somewhat naive. Ron Paul's reps? And you'd know this simple cause someone with a gmail account emailed you? As torch has already pointed out, it's pretty easy to spoof information on the internet.

oh stop it.

 

[newbitech]

Or they don't care who pays for the website. I've certainly paid for things like airline tickets with my credit card for other people and a hundred other things. I paid for a subscription to a web radio show for my sister just the other day. I paid, her name is on the membership. Happens all the time.

As far as domain registration goes, there is only one way to prove who registered the site. In your example, you may very well have purchased an airline ticket for someone else. That person I am sure provided identification before their boarding pass was issued. So in the context of an airline ticket, it is unnecessary to use the credit card information to validate the user of that service since the user of that service will validate their identity at the time the service is rendered. In the example of the subscription for the web radio show, the identity of the user of that service is unimportant, so this example does not relate to services like domain name registration and the purchase of an airline ticket where the identity of the user of that service is important.

 

[MisfitToy]

I don't get all this bickering within our ranks here or why anyone thinks Ron Paul isn't following free market principles.

I read the letter of the "offer" and I came to a basic conclusion. The $250k was not to cover the domain name, it was to cover the merchandise that the owners already invested into. They very obviously state the reason they don't want to change the domain name is because of their merchandise. The real Ron Paul has no desire to pay for that merchandise, he just wants the internet traffic that's intended to be his. It's not his fault they ran a "fan site" to sell merchandise. They took a market gamble, might have broken a rule, and now it's biting them in the ass. Stop this non-sense that Ron Paul is unjustly shafting them, they made their own bed.

 

[newbitech]

oh stop it.

Stop what? So if some one sent you an email with the email address [email protected] claiming to be a Ron Paul representative and asking you to do something, you'd be all enthusiastic and do that thing without question cause the email said he was a Ron Paul rep? What's your email address?

 

[newbitech]

No we didn't. It was hidden behind whois privacy just like the .com was. It was unshielded prob at the same time the .com one was but no one checked the .org one again until today as far as I know....at least no one posted about it that I saw.

I didn't post it cause it doesn't really matter. So ok I guess it would be breaking news if you didn't think to look up the .org(who would right?) but as I said, the complaint already contained the registrar information for the .org.

 

[Pericles]

link the case. this url is not evidence of a case.

Been around the Internet long? This was a typical case study - here a link from 2006 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3285015...-Trademarks-Copyrights-and-Unfair-Competition

Another reference - http://www.coxsmith.com/portalresource/lookup/wosid/intelliun-105-5228/media.name=/SALSA%202010%20Presentation_3108749_1.pdf