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YEAAhh
THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!
BREAKING: More net cables cut - War could be coming soon - how will this affect us?
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THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!
No not us. We are not the enemy you see. We can easily be defeated with Diebold. No need to bomb us.
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Russia has pulled it's air force out of mothballs and now has the most badass torpedos know to man. They have not forgot how we crushed their economy with a nonworking Starwars bluff. They will try to crush our economy for good. Don't screw with Putin " ex KGB head" he did try to better relationships, but we shit on him for actions taken to save those hostages in the theater and then sank his best sub Kursk which btw was salvaged by Haliburton. Plus we have been screwing with their elections when ours are such a sham. He is pissed
To anyone out there who thinks that we would stand a chance: get over it. We couldn't possibly maintain air superiority anymore...our F-15s would get OWNED by their newer fighters. We have all of 150 or so F-22s. And there's no guarantee that stealth is really not detectable anymore. Hell, apparently our satellites (which have become a crutch) are vulnerable. I'm in the Air Force. Our foreign policies have bled us dry... we can't even afford to keep people around, so we've been "downsizing" our force.
Our leadership is well aware of this, and half the stuff that happens around the world that everyone here cries "conspiracy" over, is NOT a conspiracy.
It's a set of standard national security maneuvers. We're reacting now, rather than controlling.
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OR want to get rid of the dollar COMPLETELY...fuck you BUSH
anyway if they have a draft they will just have to lock me up cuz i'm not going anywhere
Fuckin'- A
I would NOT want to be over there right now. Sally08, the more I think about your theory, the less I would want to be over there right now.
No one is naive enough to think that the rest of the world loves and respects us sufficiently to continuously take shit from us... not if an opening in our armor becomes apparent.
Our military is spread too thin. It's a fact. We no longer own the world.
I would NOT want to be over there right now. Sally08, the more I think about your theory, the less I would want to be over there right now.
No one is naive enough to think that the rest of the world loves and respects us sufficiently to continuously take shit from us... not if an opening in our armor becomes apparent.
Our military is spread too thin. It's a fact. We no longer own the world.
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These are the final days of Rome............enjoy
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Lmao!anyone else get that?
to the top "bump"
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If it a prelude to war, why would it be the UAE? The UAE is moderate, and NOT hostile to westerners. Dubai is a major tourist center and a cash cow for the UAE. I"ve been there. They allow our Navy to pull in there. Seems if communications were going to be cut, we'd do it to Iran or another not-so-friendly nation.
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Or maybe there's a storm brewing, and it's not exactly friendly to us.
Seriously. Is it really that unlikely that there may be a coalition formed against the United States? They would have a difficult time attacking us outright. Our military is weak, and spread out everywhere, but it's still absolutely HUGELY powerful.
Something else would be needed for the storm to work. "It's the economy, stupid". After all, we did a similar thing to the Soviets. We hit them in the wallet, rather than in the face. But what would happen if we get hit in the wallet and THEN the face?
Still, this doesn't account for the nukes... we could still wipe everyone out with those. Especially given the mentalities of the neo-con power brokers.
Bah! Speculation... why the hell did Dr. Paul have to go and cure my apathy?? I was sleeping just fine before all of this.
Seriously. Is it really that unlikely that there may be a coalition formed against the United States? They would have a difficult time attacking us outright. Our military is weak, and spread out everywhere, but it's still absolutely HUGELY powerful.
Something else would be needed for the storm to work. "It's the economy, stupid". After all, we did a similar thing to the Soviets. We hit them in the wallet, rather than in the face. But what would happen if we get hit in the wallet and THEN the face?
Still, this doesn't account for the nukes... we could still wipe everyone out with those. Especially given the mentalities of the neo-con power brokers.
Bah! Speculation... why the hell did Dr. Paul have to go and cure my apathy?? I was sleeping just fine before all of this.
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I agree. I'm a retired physicist that did work on the target tracking/acquisition systems upgrades for the Apache AH-64 C/D via Ft. Belvoir back in the late 80s, and we've got seriously compromised positions.
With respect to America's position in the Middle East, and the Iran/Russia/China alliance... it's a Nightmare scenario that no tactician would ever want to find themself in.
Begin with MAD. Which actually works really well for dealing with people who care about staying alive. Even so, all it does is prevent the use of nuclear weapons. Which certainly is important, don't get me wrong. But it triggered a HUGE strategic thinking flaw in our military's evolution. Centralization of technology and control.
The massive incorporation of GPS data into our mil-tech became a built-in Achilles' Heel. The advanced features of those systems don't work it they're cut off from the data stream. And the data stream is vulnerable in 2 key ways. The computers that it transits, and the satellites that relay it. Once our mil-tech became married to this philosophy, we had a major security risk.
And it didn't take the Chinese long to figure that out, as well as a simple solution to it. Neutralizing the functionality of the satellites. Since then, they've demonstrated they can destroy satellites with ballistic missiles, as well as interrupt them using energy beam weapons.
Then there's the economic and diplomatic weapons that the Bush admin handed to them on a silver plate... becoming seen as a pre-emptive war Aggressor, the trillions of dollars of debt borrowed to pay for it, and destabilization of our economy here at home due to the oil prices inflated by the fear of instability in the Middle East.
So the true situation is revealed to be this:
We possess nuclear weapons that would be apocalyptic and suicidal to use against a particular opponent... China, because it too has these weapons and is strongly allied with another country that also has them and shares a border with China. So the use of nuclear weapons against one would also likely harm the other.
We also have become deeply indebted to this country, to the point that this debt could seriously disrupt our economy if the debt is called and dumped.
We also have a cornerstone military technology (GPS) that can be defeated and almost instantly neutralize a significant portion of our conventional military superiority... and this opponent clearly possesses the means to use this against us.
Simultaneously, this opponent's ally has just finished creating its own version of this military technology (GLONAST).
This opponent enjoys an overwhelming superiority in manpower/numbers, and the advantage in the geography. As well as the ability to strike even harder at our economy by moving assets to a provocative location upon its own terrirtory that would be perceived as a threat to the world oil supply as well as the stability of the MiddleEast's 2 nuclear powers Pakistan and India... and send the price of oil soaring to $300 a barrel.
And most ironic of all, they can do all this and be perceived by the world as merely taking purely defensive actions to degrade the potential threat from a demonstrated "Aggressor" nation... the U.S., because of Bush's foreign policy in the Middle East.
Without firing a single shot at a U.S. soldier or ship, the Chinese can deal 3 crushing blows to America economically, militarily, and diplomatically.
America put itself in this untenable position the moment it refused to restrain Bush from diverting the anti-terrorism effort from Afghanistan, and let him push it into Iraq.
There is NO good option for fight a war against China. It will break our economy, break our military, and literally tear the world apart.
The masses here are in survival mode
When people are losing their homes, their jobs, each taking two low-paying jobs to pay bills, they *don't* have time to care about elections or world affairs at all.
Employees are working 50+ hours regularly up to 60-70 hours, before adding commute times.
Any free time they have is for paying (late) bills and interacting with their kids!
When people are losing their homes, their jobs, each taking two low-paying jobs to pay bills, they *don't* have time to care about elections or world affairs at all.
Employees are working 50+ hours regularly up to 60-70 hours, before adding commute times.
Any free time they have is for paying (late) bills and interacting with their kids!
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