BREAKING: Aurora Theater Killer Sent Incriminating Notebook to Psychiatrist Before Attack

georgiaboy said:
wait, he had a psychiatrist? Why?
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It doesn't say he had one. Says it was "a" psychatrist who was a professor at the school he was attending.

If it was hand delivered, he could have even been the one who dropped it off in the mailroom. Doesn't say how it was sent or delivered other than saying it had his name and return address on it.
 
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georgiaboy said:
wait, he had a psychiatrist? Why?

eta: per the article, the psychiatrist wasn't necessarily seeing the suspect.
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Not confirmed he was seeing the psychiatrist, or what their relationship might have been.

"Both sources said the intended recipient of Holmes’ notebook was a professor who also treated patients at the psychiatry outpatient facility, located in Building 500, where the first suspicious package was delivered. It could not be verified that the psychiatrist had had previous contact with Holmes, who was a dropout from the school’s neuroscience doctoral program and had studied various mental health issues and ailments as part of his curriculum."
 
Thor said:
OK, so then where is his gas mask? All his other protective clothing and helmet are by the utility enclosure, and no evidence was moved supposedly. In all the pictures I did not see a gas mask by the rifle or the helmet and vest. I only saw a single gas mask.
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And the gas mask is so important because this is how the police say they identified him. I believe they said they thought he was swat until a few officers noticed he was wearing a non-issue gas mask. (so swat arrives on the scene, and has no fucking clue where their people are while they wait outside listening to gunfire is also included in that same claim, as far as I can tell. I say that because I have heard that you can hear gunfire on the scanners. I have not heard the audio, myself.)
 
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2 said:
And the gas mask is so important because this is how the police say they identified him. I believe they said they thought he was swat until a few officers noticed he was wearing a non-issue gas mask. (so swat arrives on the scene, and has no fucking clue where their people are while they wait outside listening to gunfire is also included in that same claim, as far as I can tell. I say that because I have heard that you can hear gunfire on the scanners. I have not heard the audio, myself.)
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And the police chief is saying the gas mask was found on him with a rifle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7maaFiQQQP8). The rifle was found right at Theater 9 exit door where I assume he was apprehended, supposedly with the gas mask. So he had both the rifle and gas mask on him according the Dan Oates (Police Chief), which then the gas mask mysteriously moved 250 feet way? Or was it someone else's gas mask at the corner of the theater? If so, who? I mean the body armor and helmet was stripped off him it appears to be right by the utility enclosure next to his car and there is no mask there, and no mask by the rifle. But the police chief said the mask was on him and I see only 1 mask in the evidence photos.
 
And according to this article from the OP of this thread (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/) it states:

After the gun jammed, Holmes allegedly walked out of the theater through the door he'd entered and was removing his body armor beside his car when he was confronted by the officers who took him down, the source said, adding that the gunman seemed surprised authorities arrived so quickly.
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But didn't Police Chief Oates state that it was the sharp observation of 1 or 2 officers that notice an item of his gear (the gas mask some have said, but Oates also said he would not identify which item it was in another article) did not match the appropriate issued gear and when he was questioned by the officers it was then he was arrested - not when he was removing the armor. So this is a different version of when he was arrested.
 
Thor said:
And according to this article from the OP of this thread (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/2...-suspect-laid-out-plans-in-package-mailed-to/) it states:



But didn't Police Chief Oates state that it was the sharp observation of 1 or 2 officers that notice an item of his gear (the gas mask some have said, but Oates also said he would not identify which item it was in another article) did not match the appropriate issued gear and when he was questioned by the officers it was then he was arrested - not when he was removing the armor. So this is a different version of when he was arrested.
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As I remember, yes. Still possible the gas mask was someone else's (unless we can find identifying characteristics) or police just really fucked up the crime scene (which happens a lot.) But yeah, the story has changed several times now just like the Bin Laden issue.

As a certain website mentioned, there are cameras outside the theater on that side. We will never see them, or they were malfunctioning, I'm sure.
 
Psychotropic drugs will be a well overlooked factor. Mark my words.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
The real answer to this is that the guy is simply nuts. He's insane. That's why he sent this notebook to the psychiatrist, that's why he simply sat in his car and allowed the police to catch him, that's why he's constantly spitting at guards in his jail cell. Because he's completely out of his mind. There are some people in this world who simply go nuts for whatever reason. This man is one of those people. There's no need to make this situation any more complicated than it actually is. It's very, very simple. A crazy guy killed a bunch of people in a theater.
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Nobody just goes crazy like that. This stuff has been happening for a while, so we've gotten used to it, but none of it is just pure, plain insanity. It is either a crime of passion, psychotropic drugs, a mixture of some volatile circumstances, or it's a false flag. There are plenty of non-flase flag crimes, but nobody just goes batshit insane. You only say that because you've gotten used to the idea of this stuff happening, but it's not normal. Nobody is so completely irrational and helplessly crazy. He was a med student, for chrissakes. He was obviously able to hold it together for until he was 23, and all of a sudden he's crazy? I don't believe that for a second.
 
Bruno said:
It was either sitting there since the 12th, or not. How does someone state that, and then someone else says it was now unclear? A mailroom knows when packages are delivered. That's what they do. Every day. Now perhaps they were so imcompetent that they not only didn't deliver packages on time, they incorrectly say they have been sitting there for 13 days and then retract that and say they aren't sure and it might have just shown up after the murders.

I'll leave that to the coincidence-theorists.

See post # 7.
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At first, I was doubtful that this might be a false flag, but this post just made me a hell of a lot more suspicious.
 
PaulConventionWV said:
Nobody just goes crazy like that.
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I disagree. (probably unpopularly) People can go nuts. People can take a drug and go nuts or do so spontaneously. This obvious wasn't spontaneous if we are to believe the media narrative. But there are certainly people that go nuts over short or long periods of time for a myriad of reasons and many we don't understand because we simply find it incomprehensible while looking inward. Maybe some of these people were sociopaths or nuts from birth, and it just took awhile to show, for instance. Here's one - John List. (imo, of course.)

I'm not saying nothing is wrong her, but your assertion that "Nobody just goes crazy like that." does not help the discussion. It's the mirror image of "The guy just went crazy" which is also not so helpful.
 
Philhelm said:
If that's true, then I'd expect that he was talking to Holmes, to let him know that the door was opened.
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If we see video of Holmes entering the theater, it may have been Holmes getting the call to open the door for someone else. Given everything I've read, it seems more likely Holmes was a heavily drugged patsy. Police apprehended a heavily armed shooter with no resistance? Had he been a dog, they'd have blown him to bits.
 
And within days, Bloomberg's anti gun front group has the funds to run a full page USA Today ad?

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/07/120725_demand_usatoday.html

I've used a rough rule of thumb to gauge the validity of events like this, including acts of "terrorism".

If the issue is glossed over and under reported and forgotten quickly, it's probably safe to assume that it was a "legit" incident.

If the howl and din of the propaganda machine cranks up right away and refuses to let an issue die, then it's probably safe to assume that it was a "false flag" or otherwise orchestrated or at the very least not being presented in a factually accurate way.
 
Bruno said:
In related news, a shredded up "suicide note" in some 30 pieces of yellow legal paper was discovered in Vince Foster's breifcase in plain view, after it had been thoroughly searched multiple times and those same pieces of paper went somehow inexplicably unnoticed.

Determined later to be a forgery. Now why would someone forge a suicide note....?
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I'd sooner cross the Mexican mafia than fuck with a Clinton. :eek:
 
MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2 said:
I disagree. (probably unpopularly) People can go nuts. People can take a drug and go nuts or do so spontaneously. This obvious wasn't spontaneous if we are to believe the media narrative. But there are certainly people that go nuts over short or long periods of time for a myriad of reasons and many we don't understand because we simply find it incomprehensible while looking inward. Maybe some of these people were sociopaths or nuts from birth, and it just took awhile to show, for instance. Here's one - John List. (imo, of course.)

I'm not saying nothing is wrong her, but your assertion that "Nobody just goes crazy like that." does not help the discussion. It's the mirror image of "The guy just went crazy" which is also not so helpful.
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People go crazy on drugs, but they only do so spontaneously if it is a crime of passion, for example, boyfriend or husband kills ex-girlfriend or cheating wife in the heat of the moment or plans it out very simply.

What I'm saying is that nobody just goes insane over night for no reason and kills a bunch of random strangers for no reason. Nobody is so insane that they don't have a motive for their murder. Sometimes it's political, sometimes it's relationship-oriented, but people don't just go nuts without some outside factors, whether those be drugs, money, relationhsip problems, whatever. The people denying any sort of foul play here would have us believe that this guy just randomly decided to kill a bunch of people and spent months and thousands of dollars planning it out, all while being influenced by nothing but his own craziness. People just don't do that.
 
Also odd as pointed out I believe in the main thread is:

Then: "He said he was the Joker"
Now: "We can't cofirm he said he was the Joker."

and:

"He said he was a cannabis user".

Who says that? I'm just trying to piece this all together.

"Hey, cops. I just murdered a bunch of people. I am sitting here calmly now waiting for you in my car. Why did you bust open my windows like that? Anyway, I am the Joker, and a cannabis user. That's about all you are going to get out of me. Oh, by the way, be careful when you search my apartment, I wouldn't want anyone to get killed, I booby-trapped it pretty elaborately. You're also going to discover a notebook full of detail on how I was going to kill all of these people. I mailed it ahead of time hoping someone would foil my elaborate plans for mayhem and notoriety. Even though I detailed all of this ahead of time, I will now be completely silent, "lawyer up", and not tell anyone what caused me to do all of this."
 
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PaulConventionWV said:
People go crazy on drugs, but they only do so spontaneously if it is a crime of passion, for example, boyfriend or husband kills ex-girlfriend or cheating wife in the heat of the moment or plans it out very simply.

What I'm saying is that nobody just goes insane over night for no reason and kills a bunch of random strangers for no reason. Nobody is so insane that they don't have a motive for their murder. Sometimes it's political, sometimes it's relationship-oriented, but people don't just go nuts without some outside factors, whether those be drugs, money, relationhsip problems, whatever. The people denying any sort of foul play here would have us believe that this guy just randomly decided to kill a bunch of people and spent months and thousands of dollars planning it out, all while being influenced by nothing but his own craziness. People just don't do that.
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Ok, not for no reason, but I'm saying the reasons could be brain chemistry and they may have been stewing for who knows how long, or simply finally hit a peak.

That's not my position on this ordeal... I'm was only saying it is pretty much the same as saying "he just went nuts" which I do not believe, either.
 
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