Brazil Declares 'State of Emergency' for Uncontrollable Immigration Influx

[Demigod]

When the arab/muslim states compensate the descendants of the 1,000,000 jews who lost there property after actually being kicked out then we can talk.

If it wasn't for the Arabs and the Ottomans there would have been no Jews after the purges in Europe.Feed a dog so it can one day bite you.

 

[Orgoonian]

Where did I deny they where semitic?

I did point out your an antisemitic idiot for your remarks about jews.

Nice try though.

I guess reading comprehension is not a strong point for you.
I am defending the stance of the Palestinians,the Semitic people of Palestine.Yet you call me anti-Semitic?I think you are confused about the definition of "Semite."
I never used the term "jew",i used the term zionist,and no,they are not Semitic.

 

[gwax23]

If it wasn't for the Arabs and the Ottomans there would have been no Jews after the purges in Europe.Feed a dog so it can one day bite you.

History isnt your strongest subject is it?

if we take your ridiculous argument at face value " If the ottomans (Who arent Arabs by the way they are Turkish) who let a few thousand jews immigrate into Palestine in the late 1800's early 1900's hadnt then today there would be no jews"

How would you explain American jews? (6.4 Million) or jews in Canda and Latin America? Or any jews in Europe or Africa or Asia that werent among the couple thousand who immigrated?

Also to your earlier point most palestinians didnt own the land they rented it out from absentee landlords from neighboring countries or major cities. So saying that the majority where "Individual property/land owners" is a fabrication. Alot of land especially in the Negev with the nomadic bedouns did not have ownership in the traditional western conception which makes your argument even weaker in that regard.

 

[gwax23]

I guess reading comprehension is not a strong point for you.
I am defending the stance of the Palestinians,the Semitic people of Palestine.Yet you call me anti-Semitic?I think you are confused about the definition of "Semite."
I never used the term "jew",i used the term zionist,and no,they are not Semitic.

Any definition of Antisemitism would tell you that it is a concept that is directed against jews despite the etymology of its name. You have no real argument or defense of your previous points and lies about genocide, so you are resorting to trivial technicalities.

Lets take your definition of Antisemitism to be discrimination against ANY semitic people. Jews are still semitic and you attacking jews would still make you antisemitic even by your own standards despite not attacking palestinians.

Zionists arent an ethnic group. It is a political movement. Just like you cant claim socialists are Portuguese or Albanian because Socialism is a political ideology that transcends nationality and ethnicity.

All this is irrelevant though because you still cant defend your earlier points about some supposed genocide and ethnic cleansing. Because there isnt any.

 

[gwax23]

double post

 

[Orgoonian]

Any definition of Antisemitism would tell you that it is a concept that is directed against jews despite the etymology of its name. You have no real argument or defense of your previous points and lies about genocide, so you are resorting to trivial technicalities.

I disagree.
Antisemitism is directed at Palestinians,and others from Semitic area's.In the case of the zionist usurper's,the word Semitic does not apply,since they are in fact not of Semitic origin.Taking the stance against the Palestinians,makes YOU an anti Semite.
Never once did i attack Jews,you are confusing Semitic Jews with the zionist's that have stolen Palestine,and use our weapons,money,and support to genocide those people.

All this is irrelevant though because you still cant defend your earlier points about some supposed genocide and ethnic cleansing. Because there isnt any.

Turn off your tv,and look for yourself.

 

[gwax23]

I disagree.
Antisemitism is directed at Palestinians,and others from Semitic area's.In the case of the zionist usurper's,the word Semitic does not apply,since they are in fact not of Semitic origin.Taking the stance against the Palestinians,makes YOU an anti Semite.
Never once did i attack Jews,you are confusing Semitic Jews with the zionist's that have stolen Palestine,and use our weapons,money,and support to genocide those people.


Turn off your tv,and look for yourself.

Lets say I dont have a TV so please show me this mind blowing and eye opening evidence of yours again Im really interested to see it and look over the staggering numbers.

Again your referring to Zionists like its some sort of ethnic group which is ridiculous.

You can disagree all you want. Clearly disagreeing with facts is a past time for you. Why dont you just make up everything? Like having 2+2=5 for instance. Why stop at disregarding the definition of Antisemitism??

Also please feel free to admit your wrong I wont hold it against you...promise....

 

[heavenlyboy34]

That.

And career mobility, international work experience, language skills, etc. But mostly that

This attack is probably aimed more at the Bolivians, who are this country's equivalent of Mexicans in the US. They basically come here and work illegally in low paying jobs like housekeeping, basic manufacturing, gardening, babysitting, etc. So you guys can kind of identify with that (or not, depending on your views).

Also, coffee and badass jiu-jitsu.

 

[Orgoonian]

Lets say I dont have a TV so please show me this mind blowing and eye opening evidence of yours again Im really interested to see it and look over the staggering numbers.

Again your referring to Zionists like its some sort of ethnic group which is ridiculous.

You can disagree all you want. Clearly disagreeing with facts is a past time for you. Why dont you just make up everything? Like having 2+2=5 for instance. Why stop at disregarding the definition of Antisemitism??

Also please feel free to admit your wrong I wont hold it against you...promise....

Lol,i didn't mean to upset you.I would imagine it's hard to defend the indefensible,so you have my sympathies..You even resort to misconstruing what i said.I admit,i'm not that great at articulating my thoughts,but i think i was very clear in our exchange.
1.Palestinians are Semitic
2.The people that have stolen Palestine(zionists)are not of Semitic origin.
3.If you are for the occupation of Palestine,you are in fact"antisemitic"(see point #1)
4.All one has to do is google Palestinian genocide to see the atrocities committed against them by antisemitic people.

 

[Demigod]

History isnt your strongest subject is it?

if we take your ridiculous argument at face value " If the ottomans (Who arent Arabs by the way they are Turkish) who let a few thousand jews immigrate into Palestine in the late 1800's early 1900's hadnt then today there would be no jews"

How would you explain American jews? (6.4 Million) or jews in Canda and Latin America? Or any jews in Europe or Africa or Asia that werent among the couple thousand who immigrated?

Also to your earlier point most palestinians didnt own the land they rented it out from absentee landlords from neighboring countries or major cities. So saying that the majority where "Individual property/land owners" is a fabrication. Alot of land especially in the Negev with the nomadic bedouns did not have ownership in the traditional western conception which makes your argument even weaker in that regard.

Yes because when I write the Arabs and the Ottomans I meant that the Turks were Arabs .A couple of thousand may have come in the region of Palestine from western Europe but tens of thousands of Jews fleeing from Spain,England and the rest of western Europe settled in the Balkans and Carigrad which were then/are under Ottoman rule and it was not the 1800 to 1900 but more from the late 1500 until the Ottoman empire was dissolved.And the Jews had far more rights in that Empire than the Christians ever did.

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[robert68]

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[gwax23]

Yes because when I write the Arabs and the Ottomans I meant that the Turks were Arabs .A couple of thousand may have come in the region of Palestine from western Europe but tens of thousands of Jews fleeing from Spain,England and the rest of western Europe settled in the Balkans and Carigrad which were then/are under Ottoman rule and it was not the 1800 to 1900 but more from the late 1500 until the Ottoman empire was dissolved.And the Jews had far more rights in that Empire than the Christians ever did.

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Ill give you that but you still exaggerated saying no jews would be around if not for the ottomans which is simply not true cause the majority of jews did not live in Ottoman lands. Further this still doesnt refute any of the points Ive been making regarding the conflict.

Lol,i didn't mean to upset you.I would imagine it's hard to defend the indefensible,so you have my sympathies..You even resort to misconstruing what i said.I admit,i'm not that great at articulating my thoughts,but i think i was very clear in our exchange.
1.Palestinians are Semitic
2.The people that have stolen Palestine(zionists)are not of Semitic origin.
3.If you are for the occupation of Palestine,you are in fact"antisemitic"(see point #1)
4.All one has to do is google Palestinian genocide to see the atrocities committed against them by antisemitic people.

So after repeated attempts for you to show this evidence of genocide you still refuse to do so. Im going to go out on a limb here and say you dont have evidence of genocide because there isnt and everything youve been saying is complete bullshit.

That and the fact you need to buy yourself a dictionary to look up what Antisemitic means and what an ethnic group is.

You conceded jews are semitic even though prior you said they are khazars. So Is a Jewish Zionist not semitic?

 

[jmdrake]

Also, coffee and badass jiu-jitsu.

BJJ isn't the only martial art from Brazil. Capoeira is gaining respect even in MMA.



and for martial arts eye candy.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

BJJ isn't the only martial art from Brazil. Capoeira is gaining respect even in MMA.



and for martial arts eye candy.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.
Thanks for sharing! ~hugs~ I've never heard of that art before. I like that it emphasizes kicks. I didn't notice any grappling techniques-which would make it more useful in sport combat....I'll look into it and see what it's like. Special thanks for the MA eye candy.

ETA: I see the only training facilities in that style in my are way out in Scottsdale. That would be a really useful thing to learn for sparring purposes. My training thus far hasn't emphasized kicks much ...I have very long legs and could have fun with that stuff.

 

[jmdrake]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.
Thanks for sharing! I've never heard of that art before. I like that it emphasizes kicks. I didn't notice any grappling techniques-which would make it more useful in sport combat....I'll look into it and see what it's like. Special thanks for the MA eye candy.

You're welcome on both counts! Capoeira was developed by Brazilian slaves as a way to resist their masters. It mostly uses kicks because they had to be able to fight with their hands shackled. It was also disguised to look like a dance. There is a guard pass in BJJ that comes straight from Capoeira (in fact I think it's called the Capoeira guard pass) and "stand up in base" for getting back on your feet in BJJ looks a lot like the Capoeira negativa. As for street versus sport, well old Capoeira mestres used to sometimes fight with straight razors held between their toes!

 

[Orgoonian]

So after repeated attempts for you to show this evidence of genocide you still refuse to do so. Im going to go out on a limb here and say you dont have evidence of genocide because there isnt and everything youve been saying is complete bullshit.

Then prove me wrong.I'm not going to fill page after page of video,and documentation proving what you already know but either wont admit,or just too lazy to look up yourself.You say i am full of feces?Then prove it.I've been doing it to you

That and the fact you need to buy yourself a dictionary to look up what Antisemitic means and what an ethnic group is.

What bothers you the most?The fact that i am correct,or that i show how you,and others like you, will use buzzwords like "anti-Semite" to provoke a Pavlovian response in the reader,and shut down the debate before the truth comes out?If i were you,i would get used to it.The anti-Semite card is played out.

You conceded jews are semitic even though prior you said they are khazars. So Is a Jewish Zionist not semitic?

Again you try to obfuscate.I understand,i really do.
Not all Jews are Semitic lol.

So what have we learned here today?
1.Palestinians are a Semitic people,therefore when you used the term anti-Semite against me,you opened yourself up to be educated.
2.The people that are occupying Palestine(zionists)are not of Semitic origin.You have not disputed this fact,nor should you.They do indeed call themselves "Jews",but that does not make them Semitic.
3.Google,and buying a dictionary helps when confronted on web forums by paid shills whose sole purpose is to mitigate the horror's of israeli war crimes.

 

[gwax23]

This is hopeless.

If someone is going to come out and claim genocide and not provide even the slightest amount of evidence to support such an outrageous claim and when asked to do so declines, is the one admitting guilt. For you to say Im admitting guilt for asking YOU to provide evidence of your assertions is ridiculous and only further proves my point that your full of 'feces'

Thats what bothers me.

No ones asking you for a 20 page report but you havent provided any evidence of genocide AT ALL. Nothing zip. Instead youve gone on for pages about technicalities and word meanings in order to cover up your 'feces'

I never denied Palestinians where semitic. You keep rehashing this yet I never brought this up you did. Ive been responding solely to your points regarding jews which you cover up by claiming your not talking about jews "Only the zionists." if anything is a 'buzzword" its your use of zionists as everything from a political ideology (which it actually is) to an ethnic group (Which it is not fyi). You can add zionist to the list of words you dont understand the meaning of, a list which includes Antisemitism.

Your the one trying to shut down any open discussion because when I call you out for what you really are an antisemite (Antisemite in the accepted definition of the word not your definition) you hide behind the "Im only against zionists" card.

So what truth are you even talking about? You come up with these assertions dont back them up and then claim its the truth?

Then you go on to claim im some how antisemitic for suggesting you are is just another one of your many crazy assertions youve made in this thread.

Anyway let me try to actually teach you something.

1- Jews have been living in ''Palestine" continuously longer than any other group of people. Theyve been there before Islam before Christianity and they have maintained that presence continuously to the present day.
2- Jews including jews who profess the ideology of Zionism are a semitic peoples. Any claims that they are somehow descended from a Turkic tribe known as the Khazars whose royalty converted to judaism in the 800's 900's AD has been refuted numerous times by historians and geneticists and is only currently professed as fact by Antizionists and antisemites who are attempting to attack Israels claim to existence.


Please study on this, facts are a good thing to remember.

 

[FrankRep]

This thread got disappointing real fast.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I like how you two didnt add anything to the argument or discussion other that showing your antisemitism and general ignorance.

Only people forcing Palestinians to live in those camps are arab governments who are trying to turn them into a political tool.

You added "open borders yippee" to the conversation. That's really adding to the conversation. And resorting to lame accusations right from the start? You already lost that one. Tell us more about these open borders and open immigration between Israel and the Palestinian territories.

 

[gwax23]

You added "open borders yippee" to the conversation. That's really adding to the conversation. And resorting to lame accusations right from the start? You already lost that one. Tell us more about these open borders and open immigration between Israel and the Palestinian territories.

How is it not adding to a discussion about Immigration?? The solution held by most libertarians in this case would be open immigration and thats exactly what I said in my first post. I would love to hear your anti immigration counter arguments to this.

You bringing up Israel and Palestine is what got the whole thread derailed so Im glad you admitted to that and further admitting to not adding anything to the discussion.

I would support open borders between the two countries. Actually between one country and a non country. There was relatively open borders between the two up until the intifadas. A huge percentage of Palestinians worked in israel and the palestinian economy depended on that. With the outbreaks of the Intifadas and Israel leaving the Gaza Strip these economic exchanges and openness slowly ended to everyones detriment. I see no problem with border restrictions between two hostile entities and the intifadas were a state of hostility.

So exactly what point where you trying to make with your snarky remark?

I think we both know if borders where opened up again it would be Palestinians moving into Israel and not the other way around, which is surprising considering most peoples accusations of Israels evilness would lead one to believe Israel would be the last place Palestinians would be headed in an open borders scenario. So once again you alluding to this only further discredited your views and views held by similar minded people about the "evilness" of Israel.