Bradley in DC, I'm callin' you out!

[TurtleBurger]

F### strategic voting. State conventions are the place for negotiations, not the ballot box.

 

[acptulsa]

F### strategic voting. State conventions are the place for negotiations, not the ballot box.

So, both for the purposes of getting delegates for our man and for shutting down McCain, how the hell do we get Texans to vote for one of their own?!

 

[RPDelegate]

Let me save you time in waiting for Bradley in DC's response. Here it is:

"Your posts are a load of crap. Please stop spreading misinformation. You are doing more harm than good when you have no idea how the delegate process works. Every state is different. Please stop."

Hahaha... ...yeah, something tells me he doesn't any more than anyone else. I highly doubt he knows the delegate process that much more than everyone else, but just refuses to discuss it.

 

[Shink]

Uh oh, Bradley haters are about to bring down the scunyon.

 

[No1ButPaul08]

Hahaha... ...yeah, something tells me he doesn't any more than anyone else. I highly doubt he knows the delegate process that much more than everyone else, but just refuses to discuss it.

This is ridiculous. Bradley does know more about delegates and the convention than just about anyone else. If he were to correct every single mistake that people made discussing about delegates and the brokered convention, he would be here all day, every day, just doing that. The level of misinformation about delegates here is astounding

 

[mcvac]

The "game " is dawning on me...I keep reading posts from people who just haven't got this brokered convention, delegate thing yet and really don't understand strategy..I admit it first read like stereo instructions to me...

But....

Can a good poker player or dealer please put this to an analogy that the masses can understand?

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

NO HE IS A AGENT OF MCCAIN

THEY HAVE ALREADY MADE THE FUCKING DEAL

STOP BRAINFUCKING US

Yep. Huckabee made the deal a long time ago, right when he got cfr ties. Then he suddenly shot out of nowhere. He's only still in this race at all because he's propped up by free media coverage. Huck was attacking Romney along with McCain. The two have been on the same team for awhile now.

 

[NinjaPirate]

Let's not ignore Romney's suspension. Someone on DailyPaul intimated he could have made this move so as to come to the convention as the party's "savior". Not impossible.

We can't forget that he too would be a terrible representative of conservatism and republicanism. He's basically a fair-weather politician and not a man of or for the people. He's duplicitous.

Perhaps a comparison of his record as governor and his flipping that record when he decided to run for president. People have short attention spans and if enough time goes by they will forget.

I guess what I am saying is when you speak against McCain's lack of integrity, don't leave Romney out - he truly isn't any better and will certainly not be a savior to anyone or anything.

QFT. Romney isn't completely out, yet! We need to keep an eye on him, too!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Enough of this BS. Vote for Ron Paul.

 

[Avalon]

Yep. Huckabee made the deal a long time ago, right when he got cfr ties. Then he suddenly shot out of nowhere. He's only still in this race at all because he's propped up by free media coverage. Huck was attacking Romney along with McCain. The two have been on the same team for awhile now.

It doesn't matter, if he wins more delegates they cannot vote for McCain in the first round if he stays in, and that's all that matters.

 

[joenaab]

I believe there is a big difference between GOP members and GOP leadership. Yes, members new and old can rise up and make a huge stink about McCain, maybe force some scandal to be revealed...maybe even pull off a miracle at/before the convention. But it's clear to me that the leadership has their marching orders from the Corporate Oligarchy to whom they've sworn allegiance and it is this:

1. The wars will continue and will escalate.
2. The Fed and IRS will remain our masters.
3. The borders will remain open.
4. MSM will maintain their stranglehold on our election process.
5. Hillary will be the next president.
6. Government will get bigger.
7. The federal debt will get bigger.
8. Ron Paul will not win the nomination.

This isn't a football game, - GOP vs. the Democrats. At the top, they are truly the same party answering to the same interests. GOP leadership will not suddenly say, "Dear God, McCain can't beat Hillary, we need Ron Paul!" They know McCain can't win. They have always known. The importance of the above agenda transcends political parties.

The real battleground here is GOP membership vs. GOP leadership (and their puppet masters). In my private thoughts this past year I always expected a strong, but unsuccessful run at the GOP nomination, followed by a 3rd party run that had a great chance to succeed. I no longer see this as a good idea. I see the best play to be a full, frontal invasion of the GOP while they are the weakest they've been since their inception. This means learning the intricacies of the GOP rules and procedures in our home states, becoming delegates and precinct captains, running for office, attending meetings, recruiting others, etc. Let's set an ambitious goal of a team of ten people in each of the 280,000 precincts totaling 2.8 million people! It could take some time, but it would be a powerful force. We can change the plaforms, change the convoluted primary process, toss out all electronic voting and counting devices, take back control of our debates from MSM, flush out and prosecute the criminal enterprises within the government, etc.

This isn't a "win or lose" battle for the GOP nomination, this is the new revolution, a never ending battle to gain back our nation. We must stay on the offensive and accept nothing as defeat.

 

[billjarrett]

We're already on top of this where I live. Hopefully having a planning meeting soon once we get a conference room reserved.

 

[Avalon]

I'm voting for Ron Paul in the Virginia primary tomorrow and I hope everyone else stays committed to Ron as well. Playing the "lesser of evils" game is what got us into this mess. We berated people who preferred Paul but voted for someone else because they bought the media spin that "he can't win". Let's not fall for it ourselves.

I'm not saying play the "lesser of evils" game (Huckster is an unacceptable nominee), I'm saying a vote for Huckabee tomorrow is a vote for RP.

 

[LizF]

I'm not saying play the "lesser of evils" game (Huckster is an unacceptable nominee), I'm saying a vote for Huckabee tomorrow is a vote for RP.

No, a vote for Huckabee is a vote for Huckabee.

A vote for RP is a vote for RP.


Even if RP were to lose in a winner take all state, wouldn't it be better that he do so with as many votes as possible, to show that there are people paying attention to the freedom message--and who will be opposed to a McCain-Huckabee ticket? Do we really think people looking at election results will think, "Oh some of those Huckabee votes were actually RP votes from pragmatic/strategic voters."

I can empathize with the willingness to stave off a McCain "coronation" in the GOP, but I don't think that voting against RP is necessarily the way to do so. The more votes actually cast for RP in all the primaries & caucuses, the better our chances of RP influencing the GOP, and the better of showing the GOP that RP voters are a force to be reckoned with.

 

[JordanQ72]

Even if RP were to lose in a winner take all state, wouldn't it be better that he do so with as many votes as possible, to show that there are people paying attention to the freedom message--and who will be opposed to a McCain-Huckabee ticket? Do we really think people looking at election results will think, "Oh some of those Huckabee votes were actually RP votes from pragmatic/strategic voters."

The public relations game is one we lost already, a good 5 weeks ago. It really doesn't matter if Ron somehow won every single state from here on out, he's still not the nominee. The goal is a brokered convention.

I can empathize with the willingness to stave off a McCain "coronation"

There is no empathizing. This is it, our last stand so to say. If McCain breaks through the magic number, all of the rest is pointless in terms of how well Ron did or will do. Unless you have a magic strategy to get Ron polling in the 70+% range, I don't see how the goal is anything other than forcing a brokered convention.

 

[Bradley in DC]

F### strategic voting. State conventions are the place for negotiations, not the ballot box.

Problem is, lots of states don't have state conventions at all. But you're probably right for when they do (rules vary by state!).

 

[LizF]

The public relations game is one we lost already, a good 5 weeks ago. It really doesn't matter if Ron somehow won every single state from here on out, he's still not the nominee. The goal is a brokered convention.

The public relations game is one we lost already, a good 5 weeks ago.

Five weeks ago? That game was rigged from the start.


It really doesn't matter if Ron somehow won every single state from here on out, he's still not the nominee.

Even if Huckabee won every single state from here on out, that wouldn't guarantee a brokered convention either. Moreover, a vote for RP is a vote taken from McCain, not just Huckabee. Each state that RP can win is a state that McCain does not get.

If Huckabee wins a state on his own, so be it. However, I don't think it's our role as RP supporters/voters to make that happen for him (excepting for some deal that throws some delegates our way, as in WV, and even then that's a risky proposition...).

If McCain breaks through the magic number, all of the rest is pointless in terms of how well Ron did or will do.

I disagree. Even if McCain gets the nomination, there is value in showing the GOP that there is a segment of its voters who will not, under any circumstances vote for this nominee. We're a portion of the electorate who may end up influencing the general election (e.g. writing in RP; voting 3rd party; not going to the polls).

Interesting article linked in this thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=116753

 

[Bradley in DC]

It really doesn't matter if Ron somehow won every single state from here on out, he's still not the nominee.

I'd have to check my math, but yes, he would be the nominee.

 

[BrettCates]

We need to steal the delegates.
We need to find more delegates.
We need to show up to the convention and revolt. This is the way to win. We infiltrate. We vote as many times down and we FILIBUSTER UNTIL WE WIN.

 

[kyleAF]

We need to steal the delegates.
We need to find more delegates.
We need to show up to the convention and revolt. This is the way to win. We infiltrate. We vote as many times down and we FILIBUSTER UNTIL WE WIN.

I've read the convention rules and as far as I can tell (please correct me, as I'm not familiar with U.S. HoR floor rules), an actual vote must be taken and tallied (not just a role call, though that's been done in non-contested conventions), if it's so requested.

RULE NO. 37
Roll Call
(b) In the balloting, the vote of each state shall be announced by the chairman of such state's delegation, or his or her designee; and in case the vote of any state shall be divided, the chairman shall announce the number of votes for each candidate, or for or against any proposition; but if exception is taken by any delegate from that state to the correctness of such announcement by the chairman of that delegation, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of members of such delegation to be called, and the result shall be recorded in accordance with the vote of the several delegates in such delegation.

States determine the rules for whether a delegate is bound or unbound, and it's the states that must enforce those rules. What would they honestly do at the convention if everyone just up and decided to vote differently?

And there's always the motion to abandon the rules outright, right?

RULE NO. 32
Suspension of Rules

A motion to suspend the rules shall always be in order, but only when made by authority of a majority of the delegates from any state and seconded by a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more other states severally.

And what about taking into account how many delegates vs. alternates will actually show up?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this usually doesn't get filled with all the delegates (though I'm sure that a brokered convention would change that). What number does "votes entitled" refer to?

RULE NO. 40
Nominations
(d) When at the close of a roll call any candidate for nomination for President of the United States or Vice President of the United States has received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in the convention, the chairman of the convention shall declare that the candidate has been nominated.

If anyone knows more, I'd like to hear it...

http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm