Boy Scouts vote to allow gay members

[Tywysog Cymru]

I was never a boy scout but I knew people who were. Even in Kentucky Mormons were heavily involved in the local organization.

 

[navy-vet]

I was a scout and I learned that there were some troops that were more active than others. One I was in did little more than meet in a Church basement weekly and a couple weeks at a summer camp per year, and that was about it. Others, had camp outs regularly in all the seasons, went to jamborees and had enthusiastic leaders who had sons in the troop and spared no expenses making sure we were kept safe and comfortable in Winter or Summer. That one was in Northern Ohio and the camps were awesome. Our excursions to Lake Erie were also fantastic. I learned more about woodsmanship, comradery, and being a man, during the couple years in that troop than at anytime else in my life.

 

[Matt Collins]

And in 16 years it has never struck you as odd that you were required to get three different badges in citizenship, only one badge each in anything useful, and badges that would have been helpful to secure employment were completely optional?

Citizenship and nationalism/statism are two entirely different things. Yes of course there was a nationalistic element, but that was not the majority of the program I was in by a long shot. If I had been in a troop tied to a military base then it might have been different, but not where I was at, and not where most others were too.

 

[fisharmor]

Citizenship and nationalism/statism are two entirely different things. Yes of course there was a nationalistic element, but that was not the majority of the program I was in by a long shot. If I had been in a troop tied to a military base then it might have been different, but not where I was at, and not where most others were too.

Here is a set of entirely different things, according to Collins.

 

[fisharmor]

https://www.biographyonline.net/humanitarian/baden-powell.html

During the Boer War, Baden-Powell wrote a Guide to Scouting. This was published in 1903 and was a best-seller. Initially meant for military purposes, after the war, he felt it could be used as a focus for young boys to give them more meaning in life. This led to the creation of the Scout Movements.

It's well known that Baden-Powell started the whole thing as a means of grooming boys for military service. That's not really in dispute.
One can say it morphed into giving "them more meaning in life", and as long as one recognizes that the point was to give them meaning via military service (i.e., being a better vassal of the state) then one is being honest.

But here's something I didn't know and I'm betting you didn't either...

Baden-Powell also held some pro-fascist sympathies. He read Mein Kampf in 1939 and said there were some good ideas in it. He also admired the Italian dictator Mussolini.

I mean, this is another thing like the whole "there's no good cop" argument... all the pieces are right there, you just have to be willing to put your conditioning aside, open your eyes, and see them.

 

[euphemia]

Here is a set of entirely different things, according to Collins.

Don't kid yourself, pal. We lived down the street from the biggest of those breeds. He was a big, fat baby. We owned the smallest of the three, and he could rip off a finger and never flinch.

 

[PierzStyx]

There was much more than Patriotism taught in the scouts, all the virtues were taught.

The scouts have local versions in countries all around the globe, the church is leaving because of the lefty pervert takeover. (They should have left earlier but they have no choice now)

Yeah, the virtue of submitting to the nanny state. That is typically how brainwashing works, mix what you already know to be good with the bad until you can't tell the difference.


Funny, I didn't see any mention of a "lefty pervert takeover" in the Church's official announcement. They do talk about how they have been working on a program for years now that will allow local leaders to customize the teen programs to the needs of their local youth.

For years, Church leaders have been preparing a new initiative to teach and provide leadership and development opportunities to all children and youth, to support families and to strengthen youth everywhere as they develop faith in the Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. This new approach is intended to help all girls and boys, young women and young men discover their eternal identity, build character and resilience, develop life skills and fulfill their divine roles as daughters and sons of God. The initiative is designed to allow local leaders, families and even the young people themselves to customize their efforts, while providing service opportunities and activities, fostering healthy relationships and supporting communities. Details will be shared at childrenandyouth.lds.org as the implementation date approaches.


https://www.lds.org/church/news/chu...de-initiative-for-children-and-youth?lang=eng

 

[Swordsmyth]

Funny, I didn't see any mention of a "lefty pervert takeover" in the Church's official announcement. They do talk about how they have been working on a program for years now that will allow local leaders to customize the teen programs to the needs of their local youth.

They are being diplomatic when they shouldn't be, there are many personal ties involved and the church has a tendency to be too soft.

 

[dannno]

Funny, I didn't see any mention of a "lefty pervert takeover" in the Church's official announcement. They do talk about how they have been working on a program for years now that will allow local leaders to customize the teen programs to the needs of their local youth.

The church has considered dropping the program for decades, even back in the 90s the BSA was considering allowing homosexual Scouts or leaders or something, and they threatened to drop the program if they did.

 

[phill4paul]

Yeah, the virtue of submitting to the nanny state. That is typically how brainwashing works, mix what you already know to be good with the bad until you can't tell the difference.

I was in the program from Cub to Scout. I'm not a frothing at the mouth Nationalist. Mileage may vary. <shrug>

 

[H_H]

I see you've never served in the BSA. Did it for a while myself. Nothing but flag worshiping propaganda.

Oh, Pierz, you're such an ideologue!


You couldn't put your ideology to the side for just a moment in order to make a fun experience for the boys?


Sad.


See, this is why ideology is poison. Blinding, toxic poison. It endarkens everything in your life, if you let it. Don't let it. Cut the cord. Take off the glasses and see the world. Just see it. Without a filter you have to put everything through.

 

[PierzStyx]

I was in the program from Cub to Scout. I'm not a frothing at the mouth Nationalist. Mileage may vary. <shrug>

Agreed. Most of us have also been through the public education system and still manage to see through the curtain, at least somewhat. But then again I think most of us are the type of people who take least to that kind of conditioning to begin with.

 

[PierzStyx]

Oh, Pierz, you're such an ideologue!


You couldn't put your ideology to the side for just a moment in order to make a fun experience for the boys?


Sad.


See, this is why ideology is poison. Blinding, toxic poison. It endarkens everything in your life, if you let it. Don't let it. Cut the cord. Take off the glasses and see the world. Just see it. Without a filter you have to put everything through.

Funny, trying to cast intentionally blinding oneself as "seeing the world."

 

[H_H]

Funny, trying to cast intentionally blinding oneself as "seeing the world."

Your Rigid, Extreme Ideology =/= The Truth.

But even if it did, come on! Couldn't you just say to yourself, "Congratulations, me, on knowing the truth about everything! Now let me lay that aside just for a couple hours, just once a week"? In order to make a great, meaningful experience for some boys very much in need of it? Who are, in the rest of their lives, trapped in a sick, degenerate matriarchy that abhors all fun and all boys.That's just my take. But hey, we all gotta have our priorities. Maybe when your life is done, the Libertarian God -- I hear it looks suspiciously like Ayn Rand -- will reward you for your loyalty. She'll hand you a gold bar and a cigarette that never burns out.

 

[donnay]

'Tens of thousands of victims': Boy Scouts of America files for bankruptcy over sex abuse case

What a shame. The evil perverts are everywhere!

'Tens of thousands of victims': Boy Scouts of America files for bankruptcy over sex abuse cases

by Zachary Halaschak | February 18, 2020 08:12 AM


The Boy Scouts of America filed for bankruptcy protection following hundreds of lawsuits alleging sexual abuse within the organization.

The Chapter 11 petition filed in Delaware early Tuesday put a pause on the lawsuits that have plagued the 110-year-old organization for several years. The settlements that have so far been doled out to victims who were sexually abused while in the Scouts have made it difficult for the organization to function without filing for bankruptcy.

BSA said that it made the decision in order to help compensate victims of the abuse and to keep the organization afloat. A Victims Compensation Trust is in the works and will give “equitable compensation to victims,” according to BSA.

“The BSA cares deeply about all victims of abuse and sincerely apologizes to anyone who was harmed during their time in Scouting. We are outraged that there have been times when individuals took advantage of our programs to harm innocent children,” said president and CEO Roger Mosby.

Mosby said that although “nothing can undo the tragic abuse that victims suffered,” the Chapter 11 filing along with the "proposed Trust structure" would help those who were abused.

Mike Pfau, a Seattle-based attorney representing hundreds of victims, pointed out that the sheer scale of the bankruptcy was enormous.

“You’re talking about thousands of perpetrators,” Pfau said. “You’re talking about tens of thousands of victims. This will be the largest bankruptcy the country has ever seen, and likely one of the largest corporate bankruptcies.”

The petition listed BSA’s assets as between $1 billion and $10 billion and liabilities between $500 million and $1 billion.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ica-files-for-bankruptcy-over-sex-abuse-cases

 

[Valli6]

Too bad. Such a great organization. Poor kids.

What a shame. The evil perverts are everywhere!

It really seems that way.

For decades, people have singled out and ridiculed Catholics over sex abuse that occurred, implying that it’s somehow, something inherent in the religion itself.

I’ve now come to believe that the problem has unfortunately, always been rampant all around us, and that members of the Catholic religion were simply the first ones with the humility to finally face up to it, and try to find a way to make amends - actually an extremely brave and selfless move.

 

[Matt Collins]

The dichotomy here is interesting.

One one hand it is sad to see a once great organization go down the tubes.

On the other hand, given their recent progressive agenda over the last 15 years, I can't say that isn't well deserved.

Hopefully this just means less national dictates and more local control over program.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The dichotomy here is interesting.

One one hand it is sad to see a once great organization go down the tubes.

On the other hand, given their recent progressive agenda over the last 15 years, I can't say that isn't well deserved.

Hopefully this just means less national dictates and more local control over program.

Because of that...and this...they are toast.

 

[dannno]

It really seems that way.

For decades, people have singled out and ridiculed Catholics over sex abuse that occurred, implying that it’s somehow, something inherent in the religion itself.

I’ve now come to believe that the problem has unfortunately, always been rampant all around us, and that members of the Catholic religion were simply the first ones with the humility to finally face up to it, and try to find a way to make amends - actually an extremely brave and selfless move.

Hah, I wouldn't go that far..

 

[fisharmor]

I spent 12 years involved with scouting as a child, and another couple as an adult.

I was never sexually abused and never even heard of anyone else being abused.

But people here need to know a couple things about scouting.

First, the entire organization was founded on the idea of creating better soldiers. To a certain extent it's basically a recruiting scheme to this very day.

Second, the entire Boy Scouts of America is a shill for modern American government. In order to get the Eagle rank boys are required to learn "Citizenship", but this amounts to nothing more than propaganda for the status quo. It's a machine for creating slightly right-of-center young adults who feel zero urge to ask difficult questions about their government.

Third, the BSA in particular espouses synchretist theology. Every boy is free to pursue whatever religion he sees fit but is also required to participate in quasi-religious (and in some cases, fully religious) ceremonies that necessarily conflict with all but the most milquetoast religious views. Scouting is an entry-level fraternal organization, and there is a reason why the types of religious groups that have a problem with Freemasonry, also have a problem with Scouting.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of things I learned from Scouting that I value, a lot - I appreciate learning leadership, archery, shooting, leatherwork, trail work, how to hike, canoe, and all the other hard skills I picked up. I just really wish it didn't come at the cost of being brainwashed into accepting the way things are in society for the next 15 years of my life afterward.

The point is, take away all of the pederasty and you're still left with an organization that is only partially fit to exist. In its most idealized form, Scouting does not create men. It creates more competent servants.