Bombshell: Jamie Kirchick's source revealed!

[snaFU]

is this actually true?

 

[McKinley Mitchell]

What exactly is a Neo Nazi?

Some of you seem to sling that word around pretty freely towards people you do not agree with. If they are a Neo Nazi what would that make you, a dirty jew? Some of you seem kinda hateful to me and that would make you a hater

 

[McKinley Mitchell]

To trust Bill White is to trust Abe Foxmen.

 

[Bigred]

Upmod it.

http://reddit.com/r/politics/info/66fel/comments/

 

[Francisco Suarez]

Has anyone read these newsletters?

I have and I'm going to tell you they are not the racist rant you have been led to believe.

Quotes have been taken out of context, distorted and misrepresented.

You're right. Justin Raimondo did an excellent piece on this the other day that dissected the quotes point by point. There are only a few "bad" ones in the whole thing, and even they are mild in comparison to some of the stuff you hear daily from other politicians.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

What exactly is a Neo Nazi?

An FBI agent. Or an FBI informant. Or a BND agent. Or a Mossad agent.

Hope this helps.

 

[Francisco Suarez]

What exactly is a Neo Nazi?

Some of you seem to sling that word around pretty freely towards people you do not agree with. If they are a Neo Nazi what would that make you, a dirty jew?

Take your hate back to the Hitler message board you belong to and your buddy Bill White, McKinley. It's not welcome here at the Ron Paul forum.

 

[Francisco Suarez]

Woohoo, the neo-Nazis hate us! That's the best anti-endorsement you can get!!!

Yup. And they hate us for some truly vile reasons. I won't link to it because I don't want to give them any traffic and it is really offensive stuff, but this same thug Bill White currently has an article up on his Hitler message board claiming that the Ron Paul campaign is all a giant Jewish conspiracy because of its connections to Mises and Rothbard. He thinks Ron Paul's call for a gold standard is meant to give the Jews a tool to control the dollar. These people are really really sick...

...and there's nobody I'd rather have more opposing Ron Paul's candidacy.

 

[diesirae]

Isn't this the same Bill White that everyone disavowed when he claimed that Ron Paul was meeting with white supremacists for lunch in Virginia? Nobody believed him then, why believe him now? Just because he's on "your side"?

Seems like Bill just wants the attention.

Bingo. The guy is an attention seeker and has very little credibility.

 

[robinlynn]

I knew kirchick got his hands dirty writing that article

I have a feeling this link to Bill White is just the tip of the ice berg.

The real question is who asked Kirchick to do it in the first place, why he needed to use White as a source, and how the story was strategically released the day before new hampshire... first on the New Republic then on NPR. The dank perfume of these two news agencies lent the article an air of validity that was needed for it to be taken seriously. It would have been too suspect if it came straight out of Fox's dirty mouth.

I just want to know who orchestrated it.

and thanks for doing this research... i don't get all the haters on this board who don't want you to talk about this.

The more info the more better.

 

[tttar]

Yup. And they hate us for some truly vile reasons. I won't link to it because I don't want to give them any traffic and it is really offensive stuff, but this same thug Bill White currently has an article up on his Hitler message board claiming that the Ron Paul campaign is all a giant Jewish conspiracy because of its connections to Mises and Rothbard. He thinks Ron Paul's call for a gold standard is meant to give the Jews a tool to control the dollar. These people are really really sick...

...and there's nobody I'd rather have more opposing Ron Paul's candidacy.

I guess I'm in the minority, but I see no harm in linking to anyone.

Nazis are about as convincing (and should therefore be about as harmful to a thinking person) as the Flat Earth Society. They both make "interesting" claims, but they're not that hard to take apart.

I've seen it all, and I haven't become a racist from the experience.

If I had the time, and if they would tolerate me, I'd be posting on their sites. They're like anyone else who holds a worldview I disagree with, and debating theirs would teach me how to make a stronger case for mine.

I've heard that many "neoliberals" (we should reclaim the word liberal) hold the view that certain worldviews (like ours) shouldn't even be entertained, lest they "infect" the listener. (Which I guess is why they always shout down unpopular speakers at college campuses.)

Should that really be a concern for us? We should be making points like, "typical Democrats and Republicans are already so much in agreement with the Nazis' Big Government worldview that they're apparently petrified at the prospect of being won over by them the rest of the way, but that certainly isn't a problem for Ron Paul supporters."

I try to have a reputation for hearing everybody out and taking apart arguments rather than people, and we might just win a few converts in unexpected places if we'd all think that way.

I remember seeing something about a Jewish couple in the deep South who had somehow civilly and kindly responded (as I've of course done in all of my posts ;-) ) to many racist taunts by a local Klansman over a period of a few months or even years.

One day, he called them up and said, "I want to get out, but I don't know how." I think he had also become indigent and terminally ill at around that time, and they ended up taking him into their home, where he became one of the family until he died there.

That's what we should be shooting for.

I should dig that up from my old tapes and put it on YouTube.

 

[Sunshinysmile]

You're right. Justin Raimondo did an excellent piece on this the other day that dissected the quotes point by point. There are only a few "bad" ones in the whole thing, and even they are mild in comparison to some of the stuff you hear daily from other politicians.

PLEASE stop making excuses for the newsletters. It doesn't help. It's like telling a child with diarheea to smile because his poop doesn't stink--hardly.

The stabber doesn't usually feel the slice, so quit telling the victim how little it hurts.

 

[colin1]

PLEASE stop making excuses for the newsletters. It doesn't help. It's like telling a child with diarheea to smile because his poop doesn't stink--hardly.

The stabber doesn't usually feel the slice, so quit telling the victim how little it hurts.

PLEASE stop making a huge deal out of the newsletters. Are you a professional victim or do you just play one on television

 

[Highstreet]

One of Jamie Kirchick's sources for the New Republic hit piece has outed himself. And I'm not talking about his Reason/Cato collaborators either. This source is much more disgusting, vile, and repugnant - so repugnant that Kirchick would never dare name him publicly in any of his articles.

Kirchick's vile source is Bill White, white supremacist extraordinaire, self-appointed Fuehrer of the U.S. nazi party, and vocal Ron Paul hater.

Justin Raimondo first hinted at this possibility yesterday ( http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/hating_ron_paul_nazis_join_the_anti_paul_popular_front/ )so I decided to investigate further.

I'll get to the evidence shortly, but first I'll comment on another ironic twist to this story. Bill White hates Ron Paul with a passion. He hates Ron Paul because - get this - he thinks Ron Paul's campaign is infiltrated by "the Jews" and he cites none other than the Ludwig von Mises Institute (named after a Jewish economist and co-founded by another Jewish economist) as "proof" of this. So much for Kirchick's "Ron Paul is an anti-semite" theme.

So how do we know that Bill White is Kirchick's informant? Because Bill White himself admitted it all over the dark little toilet of the internet he inhabits - a repulsive neo-nazi website called the "Vanguard News Network" (VNN) More importantly Bill White admitted it before Kirchick's story broke. Along with a couple of "beltway libertarians" who have already been discussed, Bill White was the only person who knew this story was coming before it hit presses. That is because the New Republic called him for background on the newsletters.

Bill White posts on the VNN site under the name "ANSWP Commander" (yes, for those who know their history that means American National Socialist Worker's Party - as in Nazi - Commander). The sites this material comes from are hate-filled sewers and are not for the faint of heart, so be warned. The URLS are there if anyone needs proof, but the links are intentionally broken or redirected to google cache where it exists so we don't give this scum any traffic. It is necessary to give the sources of them though because they reveal that Kirchick has been hanging out with some very shady company and he needs to be called out on it.

Proof #1:

Bill White's post, made one week before the New Republic hit piece:



Source: (vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63682&page=19)

Proof #2:

Bill White's post, made two days before the New Republic hit piece:



Source: (vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=700083#post700083)

Proof #3

Bill White's statement yesterday where he admits his earlier communications with the New Republic:



Source: (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cach...ron+paul"+stormfront&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us)
Hat tip: Justin Raimondo, http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/hating_ron_paul_nazis_join_the_anti_paul_popular_front/

CONCLUSION: Bill White knew about the New Republic story a week before it hit the web, and admitted this all over his putrid little neo-nazi website. He knew about it because the New Republic called him up for material in their coming hit piece against Ron Paul. Jamie Kirchick would never dare publicly credit somebody as disreputable as Bill White, but Bill White's own statements prove beyond a doubt that he was one of the unnamed "sources" the New Republic contacted. How else could he know that this story was about to come out before it broke? The only other people who knew about it were Kirchick's friends in the Cato/Reason crowd who got tipped off by Kirchick.

But now we have proof that the New Republic smear piece came from a very disreputable source: the head of a neo-nazi party. People like Kirchick have an agenda to smear Ron Paul. They will yield to no boundary and stoop to any new low to conduct that smear, even if it means going to the nastiest piece of bigoted anti-semitic racist gutter trash on the web to do it. Of course Kirchick will never publicly put that in his text, but he didn't need to because his neo-nazi source also has a big mouth.

Research Marker.

 

[colin1]

Walks and Talks like a...

I suppose my reaction to Francisco Suarez's latest attempt to lay blame for the existence of these newsletters is at least an improvement over his last theory -- a vast libertarian conspiracy. For awhile there I even began to expect a splashing picture of super-size proportions gracing the cover of Cosmopolitan magazine of several secret beltway libertarians running for cover from an intruding Francisco Suarez camera lens. Alas, it was not to be.

And to think, I would have paid good money for that mag.

However, after reading over Francisco Suarez's latest block-buster "discoveries," I'm still left feeling a little... flat. Well I mean the whole Billy White/Kirchick (of The New Republic) connection is at least interesting, but does it really rise to the level of some massively significant discovery? I think not, albeit reserving my right to change my mind in the face of future Francisco Suarez investigative reports.

For it seems to me that a reasonable explanation for the Kirchick/White connection is simply this: I suspect that White made Ron Paul related news well before the TNR piece hit the Internet by storm. Remember when White decided to ("reluctantly") "out" Paul last year concerning those "regular" meetings Dr. Paul has (or had) with White Supremacists? I could find a link to the story, but I really don't care to waste my time doing that. I'm sure most folks remember that whole little dust-up, complete with, ironically enough, that "Asian Buffet" connection. I mean, why couldn't they have all met at Billy Bob's Steak & Potato House anyway?

But I digress.

Now, I'm not suggesting that what this White guy (no pun intended) has to say about Dr. Paul, including Paul's ostensible "white supremacist connections" is valid by any means. In fact, I'm not taking a position on any of his claims concerning Dr. Paul (I'd rather Dr. Paul stand up for himself). In fact, to singularly focus on what this little Nazi has to say about Ron Paul is to miss the boat entirely. What's more important is that this guy has publicly made charges against Paul regardless of the veracity of those charges.

This fact then leads us to a reasonable motive for Kirchick's decision to pursue the little Nazi guy as a source for his upcoming TNR article (if he in fact did) concerning those controversial, race-baiting newsletters: because America's favorite little Nazi publicly claimed to have inside information concerning deep Ron Paul ties to white supremacist leaders and groups.

Given that, it seems utterly irresponsible for Kirckick not to have at least contacted the guy before completing his story for publication.

Long story short, I fail to find any significance in Francisco Suarez's latest investigative efforts. In the meantime, the folks responsible for those newsletters remain, shall we say, mum? As a Paul supporter, I'd rather have an explanation from those involved in the writing and production of those newsletters than to waste time concocting conspiracies intending to obfuscate the real and potential troubling issues the newsletters bring to the table for the movement as a whole.

But that's just me.

Wow, Heidi has a whopping 7 posts and they're all about...you guessed it...

THE NEWSLETTERS!!!

Here's a hint sweetie...if you want to troll, try to make it a wee bit less obvious by making at least one post unrelated to your agenda here.

 

[Sunshinysmile]

Colin

PLEASE stop making a huge deal out of the newsletters. Are you a professional victim or do you just play one on television

If the newsletters are not a big deal, why are all of YOU TALKING ABOUT IT! I didn't create this thread PIG HEAD! I am not a preofessional victim arse-wipe...you are ! Wha-wha-wha - the neo nazis hate us, they called us jew lovers, the articles weren't THAT bad! WHawhawha!!!!

You don't have eyes to see IDIOT that I am a Black woman that is a Ron Paul supporter that has BURIED the newsletters in my mind for the good of the cause. Can I call you an IDIOT AGAIN PLEASE? Thank you.

So to continue to insult RP supporters that may be offended by the newsletters, by saying "they are not that bad"....supporters who are working to get other Black, gay, Hispanic, women to support Ron Paul...THAT is not a good idea IDIOT! I am on YOUR TEAM FOOL!

So, whose the victim PIG? Your White supremacy has come back to BITE YOU IN YOUR CRUSTY BEHIND!!! Now YOU are the victim of your own inner thoughts!

and still I say...
RON PAUL 2008!!!!!!

 

[colin1]

If the newsletters are not a big deal, why are all of YOU TALKING ABOUT IT! I didn't create this thread PIG HEAD! I am not a preofessional victim arse-wipe...you are ! Wha-wha-wha - the neo nazis hate us, they called us jew lovers, the articles weren't THAT bad! WHawhawha!!!!

You don't have eyes to see IDIOT that I am a Black woman that is a Ron Paul supporter that has BURIED the newsletters in my mind for the good of the cause. Can I call you an IDIOT AGAIN PLEASE? Thank you.

So to continue to insult RP supporters that may be offended by the newsletters, by saying "they are not that bad"....supporters who are working to get other Black, gay, Hispanic, women to support Ron Paul...THAT is not a good idea IDIOT! I am on YOUR TEAM FOOL!

So, whose the victim PIG? Your White supremacy has come back to BITE YOU IN YOUR CRUSTY BEHIND!!! Now YOU are the victim of your own inner thoughts!

and still I say...
RON PAUL 2008!!!!!!

Nice rant...I've not been actively discussing the newsletters, just trying to point out that people that are overly obsessed with them have an agenda, and it isn't getting Dr. Paul elected. I would think that the interview with the Austin, TX president of the NAACP who has known Ron for 20 years and says he's not a racist should have settled the issue. How exactly am I insulting RP supporters? Because I made a snide comment about your over the top comment relating the newsletters to stabbing? Why don't you try re-reading your own post and see who is "attacking Ron Paul supporters". Let's see, according to you, I'm a:

"fool"
"Pig Head"
"idiot" (twice)
"pig"
"white supremacist"

How exactly was I supposed to know that you're a "Black woman" and why do you assume I'm white?

Anyway, good job on your efforts in spreading Ron Paul's message. At least that's one thing we can agree on.

 

[Sunshinysmile]

Colin..thanks for the support, and good job on your efforts as well.

About the name calling--don't throw one stone and expect only one in return.

Let me explain my logic regarding my post. I am the poster here who says that the newsletters are highly offensive and let's quit making excuses. Now, who would the newsletters be most offensive too? People are not calling Paul a homophobe, they are calling him a racist. So, if I am painfully offended--gee I am probably a victim of racism. Then you insult me by referring to me as a professional victim...which is a common, stinging insult used to describe Black people by White people who want to pretend like racism does not exist.

If there are no racists---who wrote the newsletters, and who are the people "infiltrating" the campaign. Look at the filth you read from them...do you think they live their lives any differently than what they say online? Don't you think they are victimizing someone with their actions? Or is racism a victimless practice?

I do need to change one thing about my previous post--I am a victim of racism/white supremacy...I don't know if I am a professional or not---you would have to ask my victimizers.

Surely if the American government can victimize you, a racist can victimize me. Or is there only one kind of victimization---the kind that affects you?

Ron Paul 2008

 

[colin1]

Sunshinysmile

Colin..thanks for the support, and good job on your efforts as well.

About the name calling--don't throw one stone and expect only one in return.

Let me explain my logic regarding my post. I am the poster here who says that the newsletters are highly offensive and let's quit making excuses. Now, who would the newsletters be most offensive too? People are not calling Paul a homophobe, they are calling him a racist. So, if I am painfully offended--gee I am probably a victim of racism. Then you insult me by referring to me as a professional victim...which is a common, stinging insult used to describe Black people by White people who want to pretend like racism does not exist.

If there are no racists---who wrote the newsletters, and who are the people "infiltrating" the campaign. Look at the filth you read from them...do you think they live their lives any differently than what they say online? Don't you think they are victimizing someone with their actions? Or is racism a victimless practice?

I do need to change one thing about my previous post--I am a victim of racism/white supremacy...I don't know if I am a professional or not---you would have to ask my victimizers.

Surely if the American government can victimize you, a racist can victimize me. Or is there only one kind of victimization---the kind that affects you?

Ron Paul 2008

Let's kiss and make up

My intention was not to make some scathing personal attack on you...I don't know you. What I do know, is that I've seen alot of "supporters" whose whole purpose here is to divide us and smear Dr. Paul. I'm not one of those excuse makers you referred to, I think the whole situation from the newsletters to the way it's been handled was bungled. I accept that you're not here to do that, so I retract my previous remark and apologize. Now we can focus on what's really important and get back to electing Ron Paul.

 

[rockwell]

I think Hiedi is Courtney v2.0