Bob Barr on Glenn Beck

I've been a Libertarian member for 8 years now, but I'm still writing in Dr. Paul. Barr still makes me wary. The LP should always be about purity so as to be a measuring standard against other politicians. I think Ruwart would have been much better.

Has anyone noticed that Barr always glances to his far left whenever he is lying about something? Like when he talks about how he has changed his views on the Drug War?
 
far more lemmings here than I thought. I will vote for him once he is endorsed by RP, which will be never, and there is a very good reason for that, therefore I will not be voting for the cloaked neocon Bob Barr. Give me a break, whole groups jumping on-board to vote for this guy is ridiculous while we still have RP fighting for us.
This decision by some here is just very peculiar, stranger things have happened in politics, and I will wait to see what happens at the convention, and what RP does afterward will play heavily in my decision making.
 
far more lemmings here than I thought. I will vote for him once he is endorsed by RP, which will be never, and there is a very good reason for that, therefore I will not be voting for the cloaked neocon Bob Barr. Give me a break, whole groups jumping on-board to vote for this guy is ridiculous while we still have RP fighting for us.
This decision by some here is just very peculiar, stranger things have happened in politics, and I will wait to see what happens at the convention, and what RP does afterward will play heavily in my decision making.

Agreed. We should keep fighting for Ron Paul and worry after the convention about voting in November.
 
I've been a Libertarian member for 8 years now, but I'm still writing in Dr. Paul. Barr still makes me wary. The LP should always be about purity so as to be a measuring standard against other politicians. I think Ruwart would have been much better.

Has anyone noticed that Barr always glances to his far left whenever he is lying about something? Like when he talks about how he has changed his views on the Drug War?

Don't get me started about this cloaked neocon, the inexperience of a lot of paulite freedom fighters here really shows when suddenly they are all gung-ho about this dude.
 
Bob Barr's campaign is smart, they just need to get on as many TV outlets as possible, magazine outlets and newspaper outlets. Just keep pushing it, They don't need to start campaigning in states until September so people will keep his face fresh.
 
Thats strange. My meetup is mostly libertarians, and none of us can bring ourselves to support Barr. I can't believe whole groups of Ron Paul activists are being duped by this guy.

Yeh- you figured it out, we've all been duped. Thanks for giving us the inside scoop.
 
Don't get me started about this cloaked neocon, the inexperience of a lot of paulite freedom fighters here really shows when suddenly they are all gung-ho about this dude.

You are so smart.. and arrogant. Please tell us what we should think. You have it figured out, you probably even know Barr and want to tell us about him being an agent against us.
WE've been duped! ONOZs!
 
I'm thinking for every Barr smear, there should be two Baldwin smears, and maybe even a couple of Paul smears, just so the infighting can just rip us apart quickly.
It will be better for the lesson some of you have yet learned. Help the causes you support, don't diss your teammates who are working on something else unless you are looking to make enemies of your friends.
 
I think people need to realize debates will be coming sooner rather than later. Some third party candidate or candidates need to get in on these. If we don't rally around someone, no one will get in, and it will be much harder to get people to support a third party candidate as they'll be seen as a big unknown.

Leadership is very important now more than ever. I know Ron Paul doesn't want to control the American people, that's fine, but he needs to act like a leader now. He needs to step up to the plate and talk to the various similar parties and come up with a strategy for the future. Sure, I'd like to help the Freedom Movement, but I'd also like to have a winning candidate come November.


FF
 
Agreed. We should keep fighting for Ron Paul and worry after the convention about voting in November.

Wow, you've really have a lot of time to campaign for your candidate if you wait until after September. Are you just going to sit around until then? When will you people wake up and realize that Ron Paul is only going to have about 40 or 50 delegates at the convention. I doubt if the GOP will even let him in the door!! Do you see what they've done to Ron Paul supporters at state conventions? 1,500 McCain delegates could magically wake up liking Ron Paul on the morning of the convention and the Republican Party will still NOT let Ron Paul win! When will you folks face reality?
 
I'm not going to worry about Barr double crossing Liberty once elected. I hope he does well in interviews and that he can expose flaws in existing policy and take apart all the other wannabe tyrant's plans and false promises.

Please Bob Barr, make a compelling case for Liberty every time you speak!

I'd like it if Ron Paul would offer us some advise soon, but wouldn't want him to spoil anything planned for later. ;-> I'll vote for Ron Paul (my 1st choice) if that vote is requested by Ron Paul. If that option's off the table, I'll vote for the LP candidate (Barr).
 
Thats strange. My meetup is mostly libertarians, and none of us can bring ourselves to support Barr. I can't believe whole groups of Ron Paul activists are being duped by this guy.

Perhaps you should at least consider the possibility that we aren't being duped.

I was surprised, to put it mildly, when I heard that Barr had joined the LP and had been elected to the LNC back in 2006. I was also surprised to learn that he had endorsed and voted for Badnarik over Bush in 2004.

Since then, I've been talking with Libertarians on the LNC whose judgment I trust. They were convinced that his evolution from limited-government conservative to libertarian was genuine. So is Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project, who has been working closely with Barr for several years.

I personally spent about an hour with Barr in February when I first heard that Libertarians were urging him to run and that he was seriously considering it. I asked him a lot of tough questions and was satisfied with the answers. At the close of our meeting, I urged him to run and pledged my support as long as he ran a clearly Libertarian campaign.

Is he as hard core a libertarian as I am? No. But he is a libertarian and clearly wants to move the country towards liberty. He's publicly admitted he was wrong on several issues, which is a hard thing for anyone to do, especially a politician.

At the very least, I think Libertarians should hold off on the attacks and give him the opportunity to prove himself. Personally, I think he's off to a generally good start.

Steve Dasbach
LP member since 1979
 
I'm thinking for every Barr smear, there should be two Baldwin smears, and maybe even a couple of Paul smears, just so the infighting can just rip us apart quickly.
It will be better for the lesson some of you have yet learned. Help the causes you support, don't diss your teammates who are working on something else unless you are looking to make enemies of your friends.

Well I haven't decided what to do. But I was less than happy to hear Barr talk about social security. Ron Paul made it perfectly clear he felt we had to honor the contracts we have. That wasn't what I got from Barr.
 
Well I haven't decided what to do. But I was less than happy to hear Barr talk about social security. Ron Paul made it perfectly clear he felt we had to honor the contracts we have. That wasn't what I got from Barr.

I'm pretty sure that Barr's position is similar to Paul's. I'll have to listen to that section again to make sure I didn't miss something.
 
Sorry, you just don't wake up from a deep slumber when you are 60 years old and suddenly realize that Liberty and the constitution matter to people and have this grand epiphany and want to devote your life to the small people. In fact for the most part as you age your positions and beliefs become hardened. If anything Barr is doing this for political reasons, power, fame, but if it comes down to his soul, and what he truly believes in, I doubt he has changed much, and he will not have the fortitude to actually implement any of the changes his rhetoric might claim, I would sooner vote for John Edwards over Bob Barr. At least he had the balls to call the war on terror a bumper sticker slogan. In the end "voting record, and "history" do matter as the ultimate determinant in judging a person's character. You people are bandwagon believers. Barr is the type of character that if he doesn't win, maybe next year he will change colours again like a chameleon and run on the Democratic ticket, and then you will see a thread on some board somewhere with a few sane voices saying, "do you not remember what Barr did to Clinton??" and the rebuttal will be, you are so smart!!?!? Barr has changed his ways, can't you see that, he believes in socialized medicine, he wants to spend more on education, I just heard him the other day and he said all these things. FOOLS!
 
Oh no..that is not right. I am 51 years old..I was a Republican all of my life. I am now a libertarian. You can most certainly change your worldview at ANY time with new information. I thank Ron Paul for enlightening me! Ron Paul and Bob Barr are friends. Ron Paul won't endorse anyone...but he did say Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin are good. I have deliberately stayed off the Baldwin threads on here because it appears we have an even split in support. I would rather post on the Barr threads...and move things in a forward direction with a positive outlook than go to the BAldwin threads and say negative things about Chuck Baldwin. If you are for Chuck Baldwin..fine...go say positive things on his threads about him...and please allow the Barr supporters to speak positively towards him . No sense in trying to piss every one off...what good does that do? My gut feeling is that some libertarians come from the left...therefore they dislike Bob Barr who comes from the right. The libertarians who like Bob Barr seem to be more right leaning. Bob Barr will be able to catch those conservatives who can't stand McCAin...Mary Ruwart would have made very little ground. Sorry...but I read about her..and it's true. This is a very important election and Bob Barr can make a HUGE impact for the Libertarian Party..and smart libertarians would be able to see this and get onboard.
 
One more thing...Bob Barr will be able to get into the debates... Baldwin will not. If we wait to start campaigning until after the GOP convention..that leaves very little time to get the word out on Bob Barr!
 
One more thing...Bob Barr will be able to get into the debates... Baldwin will not. If we wait to start campaigning until after the GOP convention..that leaves very little time to get the word out on Bob Barr!

Agree. Baldwin doesn't have the ballot access or the background that Congressman Barr has, both of which will hurt his ability to get into any debates. I don't agree with the rules, but we're stuck having to play by them.

I think it's very important for hear the Libertarian perspective in the debates. Barr is a good speaker, and he's very good at articulating liberty to mainstream audiences.
 
I agree. Bob Barr, being a libertarian, is very close to Ron Paul 's philosophy...and it would just be more practical to support the Libertarian Party. We NEED a good strong third party to compete with the two major corrupt parties..and take their power! If the libertarian party became strong..I bet Ron Paul would go there! The main stream media already has Bob Barr all over the place!
 
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