'Black Lives Matter' Organizer Outed as White?

[pcosmar]

My views on race were also held by Murray Rothbard. If he were alive today, he shouldn't be welcome on RPF?

No Idea. Never read him. and it would not change my view.

Was he a geneticist?

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

No Idea. Never read him. and it would not change my view.

Was he a geneticist?

Do you think one of Ron Paul's foremost intellectual inspirations should be banned from the forum because of his opinions on race?

 

[erowe1]

That's true, but self identification works on the aggregate. Individuals may mislabel themselves or simply lie, but self identification works well with big numbers.

The reason it's true is because race is a social construct.

You say individuals may mislabel themselves or lie. But if the definition of race is such that a person's race is whatever they say it is, then both of those are impossible. Their race is whatever they say it is. In order for it to be something else, you have to have some other definition of race. And that definition can't include any of the things that you use it to predict, which would be tautological.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

The reason it's true is because race is a social construct.

You say individuals may mislabel themselves or lie. But if the definition of race is such that a person's race is whatever they say it is, then both of those are impossible. Their race is whatever they say it is. In order for it to be something else, you have to have some other definition of race. And that definition can't include any of the things that you use it to predict, which would be tautological.

That is not the definition of race.

 

[pcosmar]

You do not see the inconsistency ? Let me help:

No inconsistency. People will believe what they wish to believe.
Socialists believe that socialism works.

Despite evidence to the contrary. People will believe what they want.

Some people believe that their skin tone or hair color is superior to others. They believe it so fiercely that they will fabricate "science" to maintain that belief.

 

[timosman]

The reason it's true is because race is a social construct.

Would that help a coroner identify the race of a deceased person in the absence of any other information ?

 

[pcosmar]

Do you think one of Ron Paul's foremost intellectual inspirations should be banned from the forum because of his opinions on race?

There are many very intelligent people that are still quite ignorant about many things.

 

[pcosmar]

Would that help a coroner identify the race of a deceased person in the absence of any other information ?

Why would that matter at all? (even if such was accurate)

What does the ancestry matter to the time and manner of death?

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

There are many very intelligent people that are still quite ignorant about many things.

That doesn't answer the question. If Rothbard were alive today and posting on the forum, should he be banned for talking about his feelings on race?

 

[pcosmar]

That doesn't answer the question. If Rothbard were alive today and posting on the forum, should he be banned for talking about his feelings on race?

That would depend..
If he was promoting racism ,, or racial superiority, He would likely be debated.
If he was opposed to individual Rights or Liberty and promoted such,, he might get banned..

Folks have been banned for less.

 

[timosman]

Why would that matter at all? (even if such was accurate)

What does the ancestry matter to the time and manner of death?

There is a field called RACE and the coroner needs to put something there. There is also a SEX column. We can start a campaign to change that but it will take some time.

 

[DFF]

There are many very intelligent people that are still quite ignorant about many things.

If race doesn't exist, or doesn't matter, then why have all past multicultural states gone the way of the Dodo?
Can you name a single successful multicultural state that's survived for more than a millenia?
Ancient Rome (later on) was multicultural. Ancient Egypt (later dynasties) was also multicultural.
Where are they today? Oh, that's right. They blew apart because they had too many different ships (read: ethnic groups) sailing in too many different directions.
Kinda like what's going on with the United States today....which will eventually blow apart for the exact same reasons.
See, for a society a function, it needs to be A)ethnically homogeneous and B)culturally homogeneous and C)linguistically homogeneous.
Homogeneity is what lasts in the long run...and all of recorded history is proof of this fact, not opinion, fact.

 

[pcosmar]

Can you name a single successful multicultural state that's survived for more than a millenia?

Rome.

 

[erowe1]

Can you name a single successful multicultural state that's survived for more than a millenia?

How many states of any kind, multicultural or not, have lasted more than 1,000 years?

And since when is the preservation of a state a good thing? The American people have never had any greater enemy than the federal government, and the sooner it dissolves the better.

 

[erowe1]

There is a field called RACE and the coroner needs to put something there.

pcosmar's question mentioned ancestry, not race. When the coroner assigns a race, I assume that he does so without delving into the deceased ancestry.

 

[erowe1]

Would that help a coroner identify the race of a deceased person in the absence of any other information ?

Yes. In fact, that's precisely what the coroner does. He looks at the deceased, and assigns a race the same way he looks at someone walking down the street and assigns a race, based on the factors that society in general uses when we categorize people into races. Race in this case, as in all others, is not defined according to any objective scientific criteria, but according to human choices to apply labels to one another. A person's race is defined to be simply what they or someone else choose to say it is, just like other labels like "punk," "prep," "stoner," or "redneck."

Or, if he's just dealing with a skeleton, he does what was described in the forensic anthropology article that I posted earlier.
http://anthropology.msu.edu/anp202-...1992-Forensic-Anthropology-Race-Concept-1.pdf

 

[erowe1]

I would love to see someone like this guy in the OP get sued for "lying" about being black in order to get a scholarship. I bet he would win on the grounds that the scholarship uses a definition of race that is nothing more than self-identification.

 

[DFF]

It he was White, then this would just be continuation of what's already been happening for over a hundred years.
For example, W.E.B. Du Bois was the only black board member of the NAACP for years. All of the other members were Jews.

 

[PRB]

What's an example of a scientist predicting skin color?

Get 2 parents together and predict the child's skin color.

 

[PRB]

??
are you right about what,, nonsense??

There is no intrinsic difference.. Every human individual is different. Unique.. even between twins.

Unique.. different.. Equal. Every human life.

you didn't answer my question, is Barack Obama equally black and equally Japanese? Or are some people more Japanese than black?