Bill Kristol: 'We Beat Back Ron Paul and Rand Paul'

[The Rebel Poet]

So instead of standing with Rand you stand with David Duke? That's not going to bring "normies" to oppose the left. I'm not sure what "Astan" is, but Afghanistan is heating up. And a lot of Trump's "base" loves war. And Trump loves praise, even when it's coming from the likes of John McCain and Lindsey Graham. As for Rand's plan to let non-violent felons who have records because of the unconstitutional war on drugs vote again, only a non-libertarian would be against that.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.

So instead of standing with Rand you stand with David Duke? That's not going to bring "normies" to oppose the left. I'm not sure what "Astan" is, but Afghanistan is heating up. And a lot of Trump's "base" loves war. And Trump loves praise, even when it's coming from the likes of John McCain and Lindsey Graham. As for Rand's plan to let non-violent felons who have records because of the unconstitutional war on drugs vote again, only a non-libertarian would be against that.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.

You have failed to string together a coherent thought here. Try again.



The base of Trump supporters calling into talk radio love the war talk. And that's the reason Trump was able to win when Ron failed twice. Trump talked non-interventionist and pro-war at the same time. During the campaign he went along with the "ISIS is because Obama pulled out of Iraq too fast" nonsense argument that the neocons have been hawking all along. If Obama pulled out of Iraq too fast then certainly Trump has no room to do anything but accelerate in Afghanistan. How do you define "base"? Do you mean the majority of Trump voters? I guarantee you the majority of people who voted for Trump ultimately are pro war.



So you support the war on drugs for the sole purpose of cancelling out the right to vote of groups of people who you think will vote against your interests? Because even if felons rights aren't restored, if the war on drugs is abolished there will be less felons and in a few generations that will have the same effect of having many more voters from communities that you fear and despise.



If we are going to sacrifice principles because people like you don't believe enough in the message of liberty to understand that voting blocks can change over time if you quit right wing identity politics then there is no point in even having a liberty movement.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.

If the war on drugs is ended then millions of black people will not become felons in the first place. Let's cut the euphemisms. Yes most black people vote democrat. That's in part because of crap like the war on drugs which Nixon launched. Reagan accelerated the WOD while at the same time he and Oliver North helped create the crack epidemic. And yes, democrats like Bill Clinton made it much worse when he (Clinton) adopted the GOP "Contract on America" and pushed the GOP crime bill as his own. Undoing the damage from that phone war, as Rand Paul is seeking to do, will be an important step in ending the democratic stranglehold on the black vote. But if we were to take the right wing racist identity politics position of "Let's make sure these people can't vote in the first place" that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Hey Rebel post, comment where EVERYONE can see it.

Also not a Neo Con.

I do not support Israel
I do not support nation building
I do not support interventionism
I do not support "free" trade"
I do not support fiat currency
I do not support open borders
I do not support mass immigration
I do not support multiculturalism
I do not support noble defeatism

So you are clearly not aware what a neo con is or what they believe.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

If the war on drugs is ended then millions of black people will not become felons in the first place. Let's cut the euphemisms. Yes most black people vote democrat. That's in part because of crap like the war on drugs which Nixon launched. Reagan accelerated the WOD while at the same time he and Oliver North helped create the crack epidemic. And yes, democrats like Bill Clinton made it much worse when he (Clinton) adopted the GOP "Contract on America" and pushed the GOP crime bill as his own. Undoing the damage from that phone war, as Rand Paul is seeking to do, will be an important step in ending the democratic stranglehold on the black vote. But if we were to take the right wing racist identity politics position of "Let's make sure these people can't vote in the first place" that becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Sure, it has NOTHING to do with "free stuff". Right? Or this anti White, victim statue, blame whitey for everything wrong in my life, right?

This is going to do NOTHING to end those strongholds, the only way to do so is Voter ID, Purging rolls, limiting absentee ballots, and limiting early voting.
https://altright.com/2017/08/21/blacks-will-never-get-off-the-democrat-plantation/

IF you want to talk about talking our own side, advancing OUR interests and making sure other groups can not derail, limit, or harm them or us, then sure, why not?

I know its hard to expect that not everyone values the same things, or can be free, but that is the reality of the world. Some people do not value freedom and will sabotage it for everyone else, so as in the words of Hoppe, they are to be "psychically removed......So to speak".

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Hey Rebel post, comment where EVERYONE can see it. Also not a Neo Con.

I do not support Israel
I do not support nation building
I do not support interventionism
I do not support "free" trade"
I do not support fiat currency
I do not support open borders
I do not support mass immigration
I do not support multiculturalism
I do not support noble defeatism

So you are clearly not aware what a neo con is or what they believe.

...i believe you've already admitted to supporting/affirming 'neo-cons' and therefore many of the item$ you claim you do not support...

...i don't believe i've ever run into two people who share the same notions about any of the stinking 'isms' about which 'politicos' wag...[yes, i am a politico too]...

...i suggest if you want the best 'government' possible we merely recognize/acknowledge that 'government' is people...and if you want the best people/ideas for something/anything you conduct an honest, VIGOROUS search...

...we live in a strange brew of republicrat-media-addled folks who would go violently berserk if their favorite sport was debauched such that fat slow weak stooooooopid slobs were somehow crowned champions through outright official crookery...but, in the great 'competition of ideas about government' (politics) where 'our leaders'--'the best and the brightest'- are 'crowned' we see fat-head, slow, weak-minded, corrupt slobs!!! [we'd be much better off choosing politicians randomly from the phone-book, lottery, etc., rather than allowing these stinking republicrats to dominate officialdom....]

...my point is there is no intelligently-conceived 'competition of ideas about government' and our republicrat 'champions' have been foisted upon us....for a looooooooooooooooooooooong time...

...imo, awareness about our stinking, rotten monetary/financial order is the 'attack point' where the greatest good can be achieved in the shortest time...most/all people/politicians i meet are worse than butt-ignorant about even the basics of 'money,' money issuance, etc. so there is a huge opportunity to spread awareness...i admit to being a hopeless optimist...

 

[H. E. Panqui]

And yet you want to give them the means to out vote you, they will never support your ideals and yet you want to give them a weapon to use against you. You people are largely useful idiots for the left.

...oh i get it...the republican national strategy: 'if you can't beat 'them' in an honest, intelligent manner, disenfranchise enough of 'them' to eek out an arguable 'victory'...you republicans are true champions...

 

[jmdrake]

Sure, it has NOTHING to do with "free stuff". Right? Or this anti White, victim statue, blame whitey for everything wrong in my life, right?

You realize that Steve Bannon is for "free stuff" right? Steve Bannon supports increasing taxes on "the rich." He wants a freaking 44 percent marginal tax!

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26...4-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/

Steve Bannon also pushed for a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package, which is bigger than anything Obama ever asked for.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-infrastructure-plan-congress

So take that self righteous "blacks and liberals want free stuff" crap and shove it up your arse! And I say this as someone that has nothing against Steve Bannon. I don't thing he's a racist. But he's most definitely a socialist. If he was a democrat he and Bernie Sanders would be best buddies. And the alt-right goon squad in Charlottesville was made up largely of national socialists. That's where the term "nazi" comes from. Bush increased welfare with medicare part D. Clinton cut welfare when he adopted the republican "Contract for America" as his own. Bush increasing welfare didn't gain him black support and Clinton cutting welfare didn't lose him black support. Hillary's support for the evil war on drugs and the Clinton/GOP crime bill cost her black support and it should have.

 

[CaptUSA]

You realize that Steve Bannon is for "free stuff" right? Steve Bannon supports increasing taxes on "the rich." He wants a freaking 44 percent marginal tax!

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26...4-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/

Steve Bannon also pushed for a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package, which is bigger than anything Obama ever asked for.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-infrastructure-plan-congress

So take that self righteous "blacks and liberals want free stuff" crap and shove it up your arse! And I say this as someone that has nothing against Steve Bannon. I don't thing he's a racist. But he's most definitely a socialist. If he was a democrat he and Bernie Sanders would be best buddies. And the alt-right goon squad in Charlottesville was made up largely of national socialists. That's where the term "nazi" comes from. Bush increased welfare with medicare part D. Clinton cut welfare when he adopted the republican "Contract for America" as his own. Bush increasing welfare didn't gain him black support and Clinton cutting welfare didn't lose him black support. Hillary's support for the evil war on drugs and the Clinton/GOP crime bill cost her black support and it should have.

+rep!

This is what most people are missing. The current fight is between people who want things from their government. Yeah, they want different "groups" to have preferential treatment at the teat, but none of them want to turn off the tap.

That's where we come in.

 

[liveandletlive]

What ive learned from all of this neocon/altright/left nonsense is that Ron Paul is the only man you can trust.

Ron Paul 2020

 

[nikcers]

Cant tell if joking.

Can't tell if retarded or reading fake news? Trump has been campaigning on and trying to get rid out of the Iran Nuke agreement because in his words it says that if someone attacks Iran we have to defend them.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told Russian President Vladimir Putin that Israel was prepared to act unilaterally to prevent an expanded Iranian military presence in Syria

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

Can't tell if retarded or reading fake news? Trump has been campaigning on and trying to get rid out of the Iran Nuke agreement because in his words it says that if someone attacks Iran we have to defend them.

And "Our Greatest Ally" will go it alone, If not get nuked by Iran.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

...i believe you've already admitted to supporting/affirming 'neo-cons' and therefore many of the item$ you claim you do not support...

...i don't believe i've ever run into two people who share the same notions about any of the stinking 'isms' about which 'politicos' wag...[yes, i am a politico too]...

...i suggest if you want the best 'government' possible we merely recognize/acknowledge that 'government' is people...and if you want the best people/ideas for something/anything you conduct an honest, VIGOROUS search...

...we live in a strange brew of republicrat-media-addled folks who would go violently berserk if their favorite sport was debauched such that fat slow weak stooooooopid slobs were somehow crowned champions through outright official crookery...but, in the great 'competition of ideas about government' (politics) where 'our leaders'--'the best and the brightest'- are 'crowned' we see fat-head, slow, weak-minded, corrupt slobs!!! [we'd be much better off choosing politicians randomly from the phone-book, lottery, etc., rather than allowing these stinking republicrats to dominate officialdom....]

...my point is there is no intelligently-conceived 'competition of ideas about government' and our republicrat 'champions' have been foisted upon us....for a looooooooooooooooooooooong time...

...imo, awareness about our stinking, rotten monetary/financial order is the 'attack point' where the greatest good can be achieved in the shortest time...most/all people/politicians i meet are worse than butt-ignorant about even the basics of 'money,' money issuance, etc. so there is a huge opportunity to spread awareness...i admit to being a hopeless optimist...

you clearly have NO point to make, and have no idea what in the hell you are talking about.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

...oh i get it...the republican national strategy: 'if you can't beat 'them' in an honest, intelligent manner, disenfranchise enough of 'them' to eek out an arguable 'victory'...you republicans are true champions...

Yeah, its called WINNING, and how you achieve it does not matter so much as you do. Its not our fault some people do not, can not, will not understand and accept our ideals, values, politics, that is THEIR problem not ours, but we are not going to lose because of that.

You want to sit around being "moral", fine, you will lose every time to those who are not.

But hey here is the Democratic National Strategy "Import a bunch of welfare voters until we displace/replace enough real Americans so we can have a one party distinct,city, state, and call anyone who notices and wants to stop it names and lie about what is going on"..

Unlike the Libertarian National Strategy "View everyone as the same interchangeable cog, valuing the same things, all the while deny any objective facts that prove that is not the case, and noble defeatism"....

Keep doing what you are doing, going no where fast all the while shouting names at those who are.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

You realize that Steve Bannon is for "free stuff" right? Steve Bannon supports increasing taxes on "the rich." He wants a freaking 44 percent marginal tax!

https://theintercept.com/2017/07/26...4-percent-marginal-tax-rate-on-the-very-rich/

Steve Bannon also pushed for a 1 trillion dollar stimulus package, which is bigger than anything Obama ever asked for.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-infrastructure-plan-congress

Infrastructure and stimulus are not the same thing guy, read the link before you post.

So take that self righteous "blacks and liberals want free stuff" crap and shove it up your arse!

Aw, whats wrong, dont like facts that prove your world view to be a sham? Blacks, Hispanics, and leftists all want bigger and bigger government, and more and more spending on pointless programs, wanting some money spent on a wall, deportations, national defense is not the same thing, and all your lying does not make it so.

And I say this as someone that has nothing against Steve Bannon. I don't thing he's a racist. But he's most definitely a socialist. If he was a democrat he and Bernie Sanders would be best buddies.

No, a person who wants the state to do its job is not a socalist, but keep name calling.

And the alt-right goon squad in Charlottesville was made up largely of national socialists. That's where the term "nazi" comes from. Bush increased welfare with medicare part D. Clinton cut welfare when he adopted the republican "Contract for America" as his own. Bush increasing welfare didn't gain him black support and Clinton cutting welfare didn't lose him black support. Hillary's support for the evil war on drugs and the Clinton/GOP crime bill cost her black support and it should have.

Not really, not even a 10th of the alt right at Cville were NS, but keep lying, CNN is proud of you.

Sure, it had nothing to do with her appeal or lack of it to blacks? They just vote for the party that gives them more, with is by and large the DNC, Bush is proof you can offer them everything and they still wont vote for the right.

 

[nikcers]

And "Our Greatest Ally" will go it alone, If not get nuked by Iran.

That's why Trump didn't go to the last Republican debate to give a speech to AIPAC to promise to rip of the Iran agreement, because it was the only thing stopping Israel from going to war with Iran? Or the fact that he floated John Bolton for SOS who said that his plan was to to let Israel bomb Iran and provide them with intel and weapons?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/donald-trump-calls-ron-paul-joke/334761/
Ron Paul as an example says Iran should have nuclear weapons or can have nuclear weapons and doesn't even think in terms of Israel. I think they are joke candidates."

Oh but your breitbart website loves Trump, what's that website based on ? Bannon declared the website "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016,[SUP][18][/SUP]

Andrew Breitbart conceived of the idea of founding Breitbart News Network, with "the aim of starting a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel.

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

That's why Trump didn't go to the last Republican debate to give a speech to AIPAC to promise to rip of the Iran agreement, because it was the only thing stopping Israel from going to war with Iran? Or the fact that he floated John Bolton for SOS who said that his plan was to to let Israel bomb Iran and provide them with intel and weapons?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/donald-trump-calls-ron-paul-joke/334761/
Ron Paul as an example says Iran should have nuclear weapons or can have nuclear weapons and doesn't even think in terms of Israel. I think they are joke candidates."

Oh but your breitbart website loves Trump, what's that website based on ? Bannon declared the website "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016,[SUP][18][/SUP]

A bunch of Israeli Firsters or the base? Which does he listen to again?

 

[nikcers]

A bunch of Israeli Firsters or the base? Which does he listen to again?

I dunno- what do you think Trump meant when he said Ron Paul doesn't even think in terms of Israel???

 

[RestorationOfLiberty]

I dunno- what do you think Trump meant when he said Ron Paul doesn't even think in terms of Israel???

What he had to in order to get those moronic Evangelicals on his side.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Infrastructure and stimulus are not the same thing guy, read the link before you post.

...infrastructure and stimulus are both measured in, facilitated by, etc., some illion$ of 'tax dollars'...you, i'm almost certain, are not in possession of even a basic honest understanding of the hideous origin and nature of even one 'dollar'...word...

...as to your ideas about 'us' 'winning'...i will never be a member of your rotten goddamned team of fools/puppets!!! ...ugh....

...little do you know but, in the larger $cheme of thing$, there isn't a dimes difference between the stinking democrats and your stinking republicans...

 

[Ender]

And "Our Greatest Ally" will go it alone, If not get nuked by Iran.

"Our Greatest Ally" has 400+ nuclear warheads. Iran has NONE.

"Our Greatest Ally" never signed the nuclear proliferation agreement; Iran did and is still considered the "bad guy".

 

[nikcers]

What he had to in order to get those moronic Evangelicals on his side.

He said that in 2011 before the Iowa caucus and tweeted a vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote, and that he would run third party if Ron Paul was the nominee. What does that have to do with getting Evangelicals on his side?