Bill Kristol: Lindsey Graham Should Get Back in Race

The most patently absurd post I've ever read on these boards.

You think it's absurd to think the guy who has bribed every politician in New York and New Jersey, got more media coverage than all the other GOP candidates combined from the moment he got in the race, had NBC do him the favor of pretending to fire him because they didn't like him when federal equal time law actually forbids presidential candidates from having entertainment shows during a campaign unless all the candidates do, and hosted the Clintons at his wedding, is an establishment figure?

Well, that's one man's opinion.
 
You think it's absurd to think the guy who has bribed every politician in New York and New Jersey, got more media coverage than all the other GOP candidates combined from the moment he got in the race, had NBC do him the favor of pretending to fire him because they didn't like him when federal equal time law actually forbids presidential candidates from having entertainment shows during a campaign unless all the candidates do, and hosted the Clintons at his wedding, is an establishment figure?

Well, that's one man's opinion.

Dunno where your head's gotten to. You must be a youngster. Maybe read a book instead of CPUd's posts.
 
Kristol and Graham are both attending the Bilderberg conference in Dresden if what I've read is correct. I'm sure that is completely coincidental.
 
Dunno where your head's gotten to. You must be a youngster. Maybe read a book instead of CPUd's posts.

Does posting accurate information make one a youngster in your mind? I wager he has a few years on you, maybe you need to look in the mirror.
 
Does posting accurate information make one a youngster in your mind? I wager he has a few years on you, maybe you need to look in the mirror.

I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say here. I've been around these bullshit "discussions" since the 60s. Trump is an insider because he's rich? Really? That's all you got? Okey Doke… duly noted. Excuse me if I snicker and roll my eyes when it's posted for the hundredth time.

What's next? Kennedy was an insider because his dad had lots of money from playing the game and bought the election away from Nixon, who was a pauper?

Winning at the money game does not make you an insider.

Knowing the Trump story from the beginning and reading he's an insider is a riot. No, really… a full-blown, screaming riot. It doesn't deserve a discussion, let alone being cornered by you 5 or 6 attack poodles who will say (and have said) just about anything to serve your obvious and shallow as spit agenda.
 
I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say here. I've been around these bull$#@! "discussions" since the 60s. Trump is an insider because he's rich?

Who said that?

I've been around bullshit discussions for a while, too. And it has been my experience that the bullshitters love to ignore all the points they can't refute, put words in the mouths of their opponents, and attack that instead...
 
I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say here. I've been around these bullshit "discussions" since the 60s. Trump is an insider because he's rich? Really? That's all you got? Okey Doke… duly noted. Excuse me if I snicker and roll my eyes when it's posted for the hundredth time.

What's next? Kennedy was an insider because his dad had lots of money from playing the game and bought the election away from Nixon, who was a pauper?

Winning at the money game does not make you an insider.

Knowing the Trump story from the beginning and reading he's an insider is a riot. No, really… a full-blown, screaming riot. It doesn't deserve a discussion, let alone being cornered by you 5 or 6 attack poodles who will say (and have said) just about anything to serve your obvious and shallow as spit agenda.

You're making shit up as you go fishboss.
 
Billy Kristol's savior of the neocons is the madman that polled a under 1%.

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Billy Kristol's savior of the neocon's is the madman that polled a under 1%.

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Yet another clue, for those who have eyes to see, that Kristol is in no way trying to mount a serious attack on Trump, but merely trying to give him cover and make him appear to be less neocon than he really is.
 
They know how to keep a candidate who isn't serving their ends down. They ignore him. They not only didn't ignore Trump, they gave him more coverage than the rest of the candidates combined from the very first. Now, you can try to fall back on the tired old 'they couldn't ignore a celebrity' excuse. But we all saw them give him more coverage than all the other GOP candidates combined. Nobody--nobody--has so much celebrity that they have to get more coverage than all the other candidates combined unless and until they give him more coverage than all the other candidates combined. They aren't stupid, and some of us aren't either. They had a plan, and those of us with eyes to see know it.

The plan was JEB BUSH, or similar low-key milquetoast hack, to throw the election to the Democrat, just like the last two times. A conspiracy to run Trump as a phony outsider would have had to be establishment-wide to even get off the ground, whereas the events of the last year make it clear that establishment didn't even see the outsider trend coming, or saw Trump dominating it, let alone were disposed towards having such a loose cannon egotist front for it. The elite had a plan, but don't have a means of combating a figure and election trend that has bypassed, and is surpassing their plan. They know how to take a Ron/Rand Paul level pol or normal-sized celebrity---who has no money, needs the media to get his national coverage or visibility, needs mega donors to win the primaries, and so has to play patty-cake with the MSM---and keep THEM down.

The elite have indeed mastered the kingmaker science of marginalization, and controlling the campaign through starving candidates dependent on their news coverage or money. What they can't handle is a populist uprising against the milquetoast conformists, led by a billionaire with 30 years of positive branding behind his celebrity, who creates his own legitimate news cycles at will, or who aggressively attacks and derides establishment pols and pundits. All the non-coverage (which Huffpo tried to do to Trump early, but could not sustain) or later negative beatdowns in the world were not going to undo in a year the positive rep and image Trump had well-established over decades. So the impact celebrity overcoming such obstacles remains relevant, regardless of attempts to discount it.

When the grassroots was still driving the Paul campaign's success, we were starting to figure out the pieces of the pie needed to achieve something similar to bypass the establishment, with the money bomb concept being one device. The concept of using a candidate who had enough of a monumental profile or national following to surpass a media shutdown was also part of the formula, but alas, turned out to not be realizable by the Pauls, because it required them to consistently create their own "news bombs" that forced coverage, and for them to aggressively challenge the media and elite's frameworks, which they were not attitudinally disposed towards doing.

Trump has accomplished those things, like Carson and Cruz to a lesser extent, despite a sea of real elite opposition. What his example shows is:

1) The populist trend is very strong, likely long term, and not picky about the persons representing it being perfect or ideologically coherent, so long as they confront the elite, show resolve under fire, and emphasize cultural issues and the American interest over war, globalism or the elite agenda.

2) The full formula for a candidate being able to pull this off is realized by a wealthy, (at least currently) independent minded, anti-PC person, who creatively uses both the new and legacy media to create more news coverage for the campaign, and most of all, does not play nice with the current order. We were never, EVER going to win against the kingmakers trying to be friends with the establishment, from the MSM to McConnell, as that order was never going to be beaten via a genteel approach. Trump has shown this is a brawl, and requires more of a warrior's mindset and tactics to succeed.
 
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The plan was JEB BUSH, or similar low-key milquetoast hack, to throw the election to the Democrat, just like the last two times. A conspiracy to run Trump as a phony outsider would have had to be establishment-wide to even get off the ground, whereas the events of the last year make clear that establishment didn't even see the outsider trend coming, or saw Trump dominating it, let alone were disposed towards having such a loose cannon egotist front for it.

Just because you're determined to underestimate the enemy, or just want us to, doesn't mean I'm not going to listen to Sun Tzu. The fact that seventeen candidates entered the GOP race indicates to me that they had no idea which direction the general dissatisfaction would go, so they threw every variety of shit under the sun at the wall. And went with the one that seemed to stick.
 
Just because you're determined to underestimate the enemy, or just want us to, doesn't mean I'm not going to listen to Sun Tzu. The fact that seventeen candidates entered the GOP race indicates to me that they had no idea which direction the general dissatisfaction would go, so they threw every variety of $#@! under the sun at the wall. And went with the one that seemed to stick.

If anything, I have overestimated the establishment's planning, by repeatedly stating their steering techniques have improved in recent cycles, but they didn't foresee everything. The sixteen other candidates were there to crowd RAND out of coverage (who they saw coming), to split the rest of the non-Jeb vote, and to make it less obvious the media was trying to protect Bush as the sacrificial lamb to Hillary.

The elite had also secondary people in place (Walker, Rubio et al) to run with just in case Jeb failed. But they were clueless about the "general dissatisfaction" vote being dominant and crushing ALL their puppets, let alone about Trump capitalizing on that vote, and resisting attempts to control him. Their blindness went beyond not knowing the 'direction' of the trend---they just didn't see it coming at all.

Even today, commentary from the establishment heads imply that should Trump lose, they expect things to go back to normal, with the kingmakers re-establishing control so that only a "sensible" (milquetoast puppet) candidate succeeds in the future. With respect to the last year, they have learned abslutely nothing, and forgotten everything. The outsider phenomenon will long outlast the Trump candidacy, so people should focus on the trend, not on beating up its current candidate.
 
If anything, I have overestimated the establishment's planning, by repeatedly stating their steering techniques have improved in recent cycles, but they didn't foresee everything. The sixteen other candidates were there to crowd RAND out of coverage (who they saw coming), to split the rest of the non-Jeb vote, and to make it less obvious the media was trying to protect Bush as the sacrificial lamb to Hillary.

The elite had also secondary people in place (Walker, Rubio et al) to run with just in case Jeb failed. But they were clueless about the "general dissatisfaction" vote being dominant and crushing ALL their puppets, let alone about Trump capitalizing on that vote, and resisting attempts to control him. Their blindness went beyond not knowing the 'direction' of the trend---they just didn't see it coming at all.

Even today, commentary from the establishment heads imply that should Trump lose, they expect things to go back to normal, with the kingmakers re-establishing control so that only a "sensible" (milquetoast puppet) candidate succeeds in the future. With respect to the last year, they have learned abslutely nothing, and forgotten everything. The outsider phenomenon will long outlast the Trump candidacy, so people should focus on the trend, not on beating up its current candidate.

Firstly, crowding Rand out of coverage and defanging the anti-establisment vote is the same damned goal. Secondly, they were a damned sight more interested in throwing the race to Clinton with a crappy candidate than in ensuring that crappy candidate was Bush. Third, taking the word of neocons, the media and other proven liars about what they saw coming and what they'll do next is pretty damned silly.

Trump wants to spend spend spend on the military, go after ISIS, propagate the police state, and cut international deals. And got more media coverage than all the other GOP candidates combined, once they saw that this Bush wouldn't fly. This is solid evidence, and I won't turn a blind eye to it.

You think you overestimated their planning. I don't think that's possible. I say you severely underestimate the number of options they gave themselves and their ability to change directions. You admit a quarterback can read a defense and call an audible, but you refuse to give these people as much credit. I don't underestimate these squirrels that much, and I'm not stupid enough to start.
 
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It's pretty clear that the VP will have to be approved by the big money wing of the GOP. The delegates are unbound when voting for the VP, and they can use that as leverage.
 
It's pretty clear that the VP will have to be approved by the big money wing of the GOP. The delegates are unbound when voting for the VP, and they can use that as leverage.

Trump has stated he plans to wait until the convention itself before announcing the pick. That cuts out the ability of the mega donors to mount opposition to the choice among the delegates prior to the VP vote. Trump should be thanking Kristol for laying out so plainly the intent of the elite to ruin or reverse his presidency through the VP. They're almost forcing him to pick a Trump loyalist who will reinforce his policy emphasis.
 
It's pretty clear that the VP will have to be approved by the big money wing of the GOP. The delegates are unbound when voting for the VP, and they can use that as leverage.

Trump has stated he plans to wait until the convention itself before announcing the pick. That cuts out the ability of the mega donors to mount opposition to the choice among the delegates prior to the VP vote. Trump should be thanking Kristol for laying out so plainly the intent of the elite to ruin or reverse his presidency through the VP. They're almost forcing him to pick a Trump loyalist who will reinforce his policy emphasis.
 
Trump has stated he plans to wait until the convention itself before announcing the pick. That cuts out the ability of the mega donors to mount opposition to the choice among the delegates prior to the VP vote. Trump should be thanking Kristol for laying out so plainly the intent of the elite to ruin or reverse his presidency through the VP. They're almost forcing him to pick a Trump loyalist who will reinforce his policy emphasis.

I can assure you they will float the name before the convention. If they don't, the delegates themselves will force a roll call vote if it's not someone they immediately like. Trump himself couldn't get a majority for his own nomination if they weren't bound to vote for him.
 
I'm gonna stick this here...

Bill Kristol: "We Beat Back Ron Paul and Rand Paul"

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Kristol was in San Francisco yesterday and appeared at the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco for a "conversation with" event.

He fielded questions from the audience and also the moderator neocon Kori Schake, mostly about Donald Trump.

At one point, he named a list of non-mainstream Republican candidates that had their moment in the sun and then faded away.

This included Ron and Rand Paul.

"We beat back Ron Paul and Rand Paul," he said. Implying that they were nothing but a footnote in Republican history.

Kristol said the current election resembled one coming out of a third world country.

He also admitted that he underestimated "Trump's seeing what the people are upset about."

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http://www.targetliberty.com/2016/06/bill-kristol-we-beat-back-ron-paul-and.html?m=1
 
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