Biden pre-emptively pardons Fauci, Milley and all 6 Jan witnesses and committee

[TheCount]

These pardons will not hold up.
You cannot be pardoned of unspecified things, the person issuing the pardon doesn't even know what he's pardoning.

I'm so glad that the forum's constitution expert decided to chime in.

 

[Cleaner44]

These pardons will not hold up.
You cannot be pardoned of unspecified things, the person issuing the pardon doesn't even know what he's pardoning.

That is what I am thinking. A pardon for a crime that has never been charged isn't a pardon.

If this is allowed to stand, then Trump could equally just pardon all republican voters of any and all crimes for the last 50 years that may have been committed. It is beyond absurd.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

That is what I am thinking. A pardon for a crime that has never been charged isn't a pardon.

If this is allowed to stand, then Trump could equally just pardon all republican voters of any and all crimes for the last 50 years that may have been committed. It is beyond absurd.

"Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."

 

[Occam's Banana]

THREAD: Official Biden Pardons Thread

 

[Swordsmyth]

That is what I am thinking. A pardon for a crime that has never been charged isn't a pardon.

If this is allowed to stand, then Trump could equally just pardon all republican voters of any and all crimes for the last 50 years that may have been committed. It is beyond absurd.

In case someone tells you Burdick v. United States set a precedent for pardons of unknown and unspecified crimes:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/236/79/

Looks like they didn’t rule on the unknown crimes part:
It is hence contended by Burdick that the pardon is illegal for the absence of specification, not reciting the offenses upon which it is intended to operate — worthless therefore as immunity. To support the contention, cases are cited. It is asserted besides that the pardon is void as being outside of the power of the President under the Constitution of the United States because it was issued before accusation or conviction or admission of an offense. This, it is insisted, is precluded by the constitutional provision which gives power only “to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States,” and it is argued, in effect, that not in the imagination or purpose of executive magistracy can an “offense against the United States” be established, but only by the confession of the offending individual or the judgment of the judicial tribunals. We do not dwell further on the attack. We prefer to place the case on the ground we have stated.

 

[Swordsmyth]

"Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974."

Never tested and illegal.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Never tested and illegal.

I have this song in my music library and after the song, for some reason, there is a clip to the Ford pardon.
I know nothing about the law.
Richard Nixon was preemptively pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
You say "Never tested and illegal". I don't know. I would say that this happened 50 years ago and has stood. What does it take for you to pass a test? It certainly passed the test of time.
I did not post for any reason other than to parallel what historically happened and what just happened.
It wouldn't surprise me if the lingo for Biden's pardons were drafted around what worked 50 years ago.

With all that said, I think blanket pardons are absurd and should not stand. I hope they are challenged and overturned. Hopefully everyone is not dead before the ruling and appeals.
People should give Trump credit for not preemptively pardoning his family and friends. But, Trump might have had different motives. He is obviously a master of the media and very wealthy. Maybe without all the smears and prosecutions he would not be POTUS today. He has/had the legal means to fight all his foes and Giuliani also has plenty of money and legal connections.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I have this song in my music library and after the song, for some reason, there is a clip to the Ford pardon.
I know nothing about the law.
Richard Nixon was preemptively pardoned by President Gerald Ford.
You say "Never tested and illegal". I don't know. I would say that this happened 50 years ago and has stood. What does it take for you to pass a test? It certainly passed the test of time.
I did not post for any reason other than to parallel what historically happened and what just happened.
It wouldn't surprise me if the lingo for Biden's pardons were drafted around what worked 50 years ago.

With all that said, I think blanket pardons are absurd and should not stand. I hope they are challenged and overturned. Hopefully everyone is not dead before the ruling and appeals.
People should give Trump credit for not preemptively pardoning his family and friends. But, Trump might have had different motives. He is obviously a master of the media and very wealthy. Maybe without all the smears and prosecutions he would not be POTUS today. He has/had the legal means to fight all his foes and Giuliani also has plenty of money and legal connections.

Something cannot have stood unless it was challenged and passed the challenge.
Nobody ever tried to prosecute Nixon, as much because they had no real case as for any other reason.

The only precedential case acknowledged the validity of the argument that pardons for unspecified things are illegal, it just found a way not to have to rule on that aspect.

Biden declared the ERA to be part of the Constitution, it won't suddenly become part of the Constitution because everyone ignores it as absurd.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Something cannot have stood unless it was challenged and passed the challenge.
Nobody ever tried to prosecute Nixon, as much because they had no real case as for any other reason.

The only precedential case acknowledged the validity of the argument that pardons for unspecified things are illegal, it just found a way not to have to rule on that aspect.

Biden declared the ERA to be part of the Constitution, it won't suddenly become part of the Constitution because everyone ignores it as absurd.

Ford Preemptively pardoned Nixon and it stood.


"Yes, there were challenges to President Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon. Here are a few notable ones:


Congressional Hearings: There was significant backlash in Congress, leading to hearings where Ford was questioned about the decision. This included the establishment of a special committee in the House Judiciary Committee to investigate the pardon.
Legal Challenges:
Nader v. Ford - Ralph Nader filed a lawsuit in 1974 challenging the constitutionality of the pardon. The case argued that the pardon was an unconstitutional usurpation of power by the executive branch. However, the case was dismissed by the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, and an appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia upheld the dismissal, arguing that Nader lacked standing to sue.
Fitzgerald v. Nixon - This case was brought by a private citizen, Michael Fitzgerald, who sought to challenge the pardon on the grounds that it was issued before any indictment or conviction, thus violating the separation of powers. This case also did not succeed, with the courts dismissing it on similar grounds of lack of standing.


These legal challenges did not succeed in overturning the pardon, but they highlighted the contentious nature of Ford's decision. The pardon was upheld as legal, and Nixon was never criminally charged or prosecuted for Watergate-related crimes."

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ford Preemptively pardoned Nixon and it stood.


"Yes, there were challenges to President Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon. Here are a few notable ones:


Congressional Hearings: There was significant backlash in Congress, leading to hearings where Ford was questioned about the decision. This included the establishment of a special committee in the House Judiciary Committee to investigate the pardon.
Legal Challenges:
Nader v. Ford - Ralph Nader filed a lawsuit in 1974 challenging the constitutionality of the pardon. The case argued that the pardon was an unconstitutional usurpation of power by the executive branch. However, the case was dismissed by the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, and an appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia upheld the dismissal, arguing that Nader lacked standing to sue.
Fitzgerald v. Nixon - This case was brought by a private citizen, Michael Fitzgerald, who sought to challenge the pardon on the grounds that it was issued before any indictment or conviction, thus violating the separation of powers. This case also did not succeed, with the courts dismissing it on similar grounds of lack of standing.


These legal challenges did not succeed in overturning the pardon, but they highlighted the contentious nature of Ford's decision. The pardon was upheld as legal, and Nixon was never criminally charged or prosecuted for Watergate-related crimes."

That's false.
Hearings are not a challenge, they are politicians bloviating.
And cases dismissed on standing grounds are not rulings upholding the pardon as legal, all that was decided was that individual citizens could not challenge the pardon.

A true challenge would have been an attempt to prosecute Nixon that was ruled against on the basis that the pardon was valid, preferably a SCOTUS decision.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

That's false.
Hearings are not a challenge, they are politicians bloviating.
And cases dismissed on standing grounds are not rulings upholding the pardon as legal, all that was decided was that individual citizens could not challenge the pardon.

A true challenge would have been an attempt to prosecute Nixon that was ruled against on the basis that the pardon was valid, preferably a SCOTUS decision.

In my opinion you are bias and hypocritical. My guess is when Liberals attack POTUS Trump and Courts rule no standing your view on standing will change.
Regardless, this is not worthy of discussion. I simply pointed out that Ford preemptively pardoned Nixon and it has stood for over 50 years.

 

[Swordsmyth]

In my opinion you are bias and hypocritical. My guess is when Liberals attack POTUS Trump and Courts rule no standing your view on standing will change.
Regardless, this is not worthy of discussion. I simply pointed out that Ford preemptively pardoned Nixon and it has stood for over 50 years.

I did not say if the standing ruling was good or bad.
I am generally against the concept of no standing, though it does have a limited place in some circumstances.

But the pardon was never actually challenged, so it only "stood" through lack of challenge.

 

[Anti Globalist]

They may not be able to be charged with federal crimes but the states can still go after them. I won't hold my breathe on that though.

 

[Working Poor]

Did Biden pardon himself or just his family? I think if I was going to try and challenge his pardons I would want proof that he was actually competent enough to make such a decision.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Why Joe Biden Had to Pardon Anthony Fauci
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN53TZReku8
{Mises Media | 24 January 2025}

Biden‘s last-minute pardon of Anthony Fauci was not done to spare an “innocent” person from abuse by dishonest politicians. Biden likely did it to prevent an investigation into Fauci’s actions and background, which could have proved damaging for the political establishment.

Read the article here: https://mises.org/mises-wire/why-joe-biden-had-pardon-anthony-fauci [see below - OB]

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Why Joe Biden Had to Pardon Anthony Fauci
https://mises.org/mises-wire/why-joe-biden-had-pardon-anthony-fauci
{Connor O'Keeffe | 22 January 2025}

On Monday, in their final hours in office, former President Biden’s team chose to issue a blanket pardon to a number of close political allies and family members. Among that group was former Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Anthony Fauci.

Fauci was pardoned “for any offense against the United States which he may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through the date of [the] pardon” relating in any way to his time as NIAID Director, on the White House Coronavirus Task Force, the White House covid-19 response team, or as Biden’s Chief Medical Advisor.

In the letter explaining the pardons, Biden defended the choice, saying, “baseless and politically motivated investigations wreak havoc on the lives, safety, and financial security of targeted individuals and their families.” Even when those individuals have done nothing wrong, Biden’s ghostwriters reason, “the mere fact of being investigated or prosecuted can irreparably damage reputations and finances.”

Setting aside the fact that this was the exact tactic the political establishment used to try and tarnish Trump’s reputation, it’s revealing that the primary public reason presented for the pardons was to avoid investigations.

There are, of course, plenty of unseemly details about Fauci’s career that the political establishment would not like to see resurface in either the court of law or the court of public opinion. Many were detailed in RFK Jr.’s book The Real Anthony Fauci, such as the secretive and deadly drug experiments on hundreds of HIV-positive foster children at New York City’s Incarnation Children’s Center between 1988 and 2002 and the experiment that locked the heads of Beagle puppies into cages full of flesh-eating insects.

If Fauci had come under the federal government’s microscope, episodes like those could have done much to stain the name of the man Biden recently dubbed “a true hero.”

The same goes for Fauci’s completely inaccurate projection of the danger posed by a strain of swine flu in the 1970s, along with the millions of dollars of damages the government had to pay out due to injuries sustained in the related swine flu vaccine experiments.

Fauci also made similar failed projections relating to the 2005 bird flu, the 2009 swine flu, and the 2016 Zika virus. In all these cases, the virus was nowhere near as dangerous as Fauci had claimed it would be. But his warnings did result in his department and other parts of Washington’s public health bureaucracy getting billions of dollars in new funding.

Of course, these episodes pale in comparison to what Fauci is now most famous for: overseeing the covid pandemic.

Early on, Fauci famously explained on TV that cloth masks cannot stop people infected with covid from filling the air around them with virus particles. He then completely reversed his stance and advocated for universal masking and government mask mandates.

He later claimed his earlier comments on television had been lies meant to trick the public into not buying masks to protect the supply of masks for healthcare workers who, in fact, used a different kind of mask. He then acted confused when much of the public stopped trusting him.

Fauci also went on record in early April 2020 calling for nationwide lockdowns—something he would later deny doing. When some states like Florida started to reopen months later, Fauci warned the governors they were taking “a really significant risk.”

It quickly became obvious to anyone who was actually looking that Fauci was completely wrong about the effectiveness of masking and lockdowns. But Fauci ignored the data and kept pushing for these measures into 2021, after the vaccines had become available.

Another fact that had become obvious early in the pandemic was that children posed little risk of contracting and spreading covid. Yet, Fauci pushed for school closures and later school masking long after both were clearly shown to be unnecessary.

Finally, Fauci made several high-profile claims about the covid vaccines that would quickly prove false.

But making bad projections and giving bad advice isn’t a crime. So why was the political class worried about Fauci being investigated by the Department of Justice? Because a federal investigation would likely have related to the speculation that Fauci played a role in bringing the pandemic about in the first place.

One controversial method for studying viruses involves artificially making the virus more transmissible or virulent. This so-called “gain-of-function” research allows for virus mutation or possible treatments to be analyzed much more quickly, but it brings the risk of a much more dangerous genetically-engineered virus infecting people if a sample leaks out.

We know that an NGO that gets funding from Fauci’s department bankrolled gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the laboratory in Wuhan, China, in 2017 and 2018. And that the same NGO had received federal funding while conducting gain-of-function research going back to 2014, when a three-year ban on using federal funds for such experiments had been implemented and when Fauci’s pardon happens to come into effect.

While there is no evidence that these experiments are related to the coronavirus that would eventually spread out of Wuhan in late 2019 and early 2020, there is still much we do not know about the extent of US involvement in similar experiments at the Wuhan lab around the time covid started to spread.

That fact, paired with the panicked and secretive behavior of Fauci and his colleagues after the first reports of covid started to emerge, has raised suspicion about the possibility of US government involvement in covid’s origin. Biden’s DOJ refused to investigate these matters. But after Senator Rand Paul got Fauci to explicitly deny, under oath, that his department had funded gain-of-function research at the Wuhan lab, an investigation into the truth of the claim to determine if Fauci had committed perjury remained a possibility.

That was until Biden pardoned him Monday morning.

A federal investigation would have all but forced the media to revisit many of Fauci’s unseemly actions, failures, and possible crimes. That would have been uncomfortable for a political establishment that has embraced and celebrated Fauci for decades.

But the real danger of a high-profile Fauci investigation, from the political class’s perspective, would come if the public started to ask themselves why a bureaucrat with such a long track record of failure was embraced and celebrated by those in power. And why he enjoyed so much professional success before retiring with a net worth of more than $11 million.

Such questions could lead people to consider that maybe the decades of mistakes that transferred hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to public health agencies, pharmaceutical companies, and the crony healthcare system as a whole were not mistakes after all. That, perhaps, the federal public health apparatus is nothing more than a racket and that officials are professionally rewarded, not for keeping us safe, but for protecting and expanding that racket.

Those are the questions that could well have arisen had a federal investigation prompted a retrospective and examination of the career and conduct of Anthony Fauci. And that is why Biden had no choice but to pardon him.

 

[Anti Globalist]

Imagine finding out that the guy who gave medical advice during the pandemic and assured us that the covid vaccines were safe and effective got a preemptive pardon.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Biden Pardons Both Brothers, Son, & In-laws For All Crimes Since 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MV23EYyP2o
{Nate The Lawyer | 24 January 2025}

 

[Occam's Banana]

CLIP from SYSTEM UPDATE #392:

Biden Shamelessly Pardons Liz Cheney, Dr. Fauci, and His Family
https://rumble.com/v6bvevs-biden-shamelessly-pardons-liz-cheney-dr.-fauci-and-his-family.html
{Glenn Greenwald | 21 January 2025}

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[Occam's Banana]

Beg Your Pardon? - Razör Rants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIgDRjyNAHQ
{The Rageaholic | 21 January 2025}

Biden leaves the Off-White House... but the graft goes on and on...

 

[unknown]

And himself apparently.