Bible and the end of times..

[worl]

America will collapse first, don't worry, you won't be around to see it.

During Armageddon, there is no mention of a Western continent. References are made to Europe, Africa and Asia though...

Daniel 11:41-45

Actually there is a mention of what is believed to be america in ezekiel 38:13 it mentions the merchants of tarshish with all the young lions thereof. . I lCHRISTIANS in general are more or less familiar with the military exploits of the ancient people of Israel, but few realise that some of these same Israelites also played an important part in the hazardous maritime enterprises of those far-off days. It is, none the less, true to say that Israelite merchant mariners, particularly of the tribes of Dan and Asher, had a substantial share of the sea-faring trade between the western world and Palestine during what has been termed the Phoenician Golden Age.

Once again, a proper appraisal of the ancient history of Bible lands has been clouded and confused by loose terminology. In this instance the offending word is Phoenician - a name applied by the Greeks and Rornans from Homer's tirne onwards, to the dwellers in the coastal strip of Palestine, irrespective of race; and more particularly used to describe the sea-traders who operated from Palestinian seaports in the early part of the millennium B.C., carrying a wide range of merchandise between the ports of the eastern Mediterranean and the most distant shores of the then known western world: even as far as BRITON. America is believed to be the YOUNG LIONS. Hopefully by that time we will have learned to stay out of forighn war's.

 

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[Orgoonian]

Wow!
Can't believe this thread is still going

Lots of opinions from both believers,and non believers.It really shouldn't matter if you believe,or not,rather just enjoy the discussion.
Even if you do not believe,the bible really is a fascinating study.If for no other reason than to debate with holier than thou peeps I know most of us here love a good argument.

There is Christianity,and then there is religion.I think we can all agree that we despise religion,and will tolerate Christianity?
So,lets just take what the bible SAYS for discussion,and not rely on presumptions,or other dogmatic tripe spewed from most pulpits these days.

America is in prophecy.

Revelation 13:11-12, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Can we agree that "earth is opposite of "sea"?
Sea = "peoples, nations and tongues" ( Revelation 17:15, "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.")

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I think people take from the bible what they want to and view it as they choose. I don't know of any other book that has a million different versions or points of views and EVERY ONE who believes in the bible or religion differently ALL believe that their religion, belief or what have you is right.

I find it difficult to believe that with so many "translations" of God and those that believe in god their own way believe that OTHERS religion is incorrect or wrong all together.

How can there be so many different takes from this one book and it doesn't happen in any others? And if it does.... which ones?

Debating religion and the end times and what happens to us after we die makes no sense to me. It's not like all the christians up in heaven are going to wait for those non believers and say "ha ha I told you so!!!!" or anything. And if we die and just STOP.... then it doesn't matter as well.

Why worry about what happens AFTER you die and focus more on the living part. I grew up in the church and did the church school deal up until highschool and the one thing that always stuck with me was "Being saved, asking for forgiveness, leading others to the lord". The thing that scared the shit out of me however was that if I didn't do the above I would be going to hell for ETERNITY. Not really something that is fun to have hang over your ass for your entire life.

Trying to be perfect for you, those in the church, making it to each church event so the other church goers don't look down on you. Maybe it was just my church but the whole damn thing seemed so superficial that I believe if I were older I would have simply said "Are you guys kidding?" and walked out.

Believe in God, whatever works for you and for those who don't more power to you as well. I believe in myself and what I can accomplish in this life for my family and myself. If I end up in hell because of that then I would not really care to hang out with a god who had that type of thinking in the first place.

When things get to hard what do you do? Leave it up to god to relieve the stress and pressure. Then what would you know... God allowed whatever stress in your life to disappear OR you might have had enough time to calm down and look at it in a different way and SOLVE the problem yourself.

I think people should give THEMSELVES more credit when THEY allow things to happen in their lives and be proud of it versus assuming someone ALLOWED you to pass this "issue or problem".

We had these end times videos while I went to church. They were very 70's and I don't remember how old I was but I was young. They showed us the rapture videos that the got from the "Family Bible House" I believe it was.

I remember one part where they show the gallows and were asking if you would denounce God and accept the mark or get your head chopped off. It was pretty damn tramatic and if there was anything to scare you into believing in something, the possibility of death sure can work....

 

[Orgoonian]

Heyas Newyears!

You bring up a lot of interesting points,and i do love this type of thread,so here goes my take

I think people take from the bible what they want to and view it as they choose. I don't know of any other book that has a million different versions or points of views and EVERY ONE who believes in the bible or religion differently ALL believe that their religion, belief or what have you is right.

I find it difficult to believe that with so many "translations" of God and those that believe in god their own way believe that OTHERS religion is incorrect or wrong all together.

How can there be so many different takes from this one book and it doesn't happen in any others? And if it does.... which ones?

This is a good point,and history has the answer.The roman church usurped Christianity,and created a religion.You can guess the reasons,control,and wealth.
They needed a way to bring in other religions under their umbrella,so they mixed in the old belief systems.A good example of this is in the vatican.The statue of Peter that everybody touches,is really a statue of another god.

You also have to remember that the roman church was the only organized religion for a long time.Through fear,torture,and death they built their empire.What they taught,was law.
For example sunday worship,easter,wedding rings,go to heaven/hell upon death,ect..ect...
These teachings were passed down for centuries,so most folk just take a lot of things for fact,that in reality,are not biblical.

It wasn't until Martin Luther came along,and challenged some teachings of the mother church.Step,by step,people began reading their own bibles,but old traditions die hard.

Interesting enough 1 Timothy states that the word is not for private interpetation,meaning there is only one way to read the bible.
When we take out the false teachings of the mother church,the bible becomes crystal clear,without confusion,without contradictions,and easily understandable.

If you like history,biblical study goes hand,in hand with it.

 

[literatim]

Wow!
Can't believe this thread is still going

Lots of opinions from both believers,and non believers.It really shouldn't matter if you believe,or not,rather just enjoy the discussion.
Even if you do not believe,the bible really is a fascinating study.If for no other reason than to debate with holier than thou peeps I know most of us here love a good argument.

There is Christianity,and then there is religion.I think we can all agree that we despise religion,and will tolerate Christianity?
So,lets just take what the bible SAYS for discussion,and not rely on presumptions,or other dogmatic tripe spewed from most pulpits these days.

America is in prophecy.

Revelation 13:11-12, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Can we agree that "earth is opposite of "sea"?
Sea = "peoples, nations and tongues" ( Revelation 17:15, "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.")

Governments and thus the countries themselves are referred to as mountains, not earth. So sea represents the people while mountains represent the governments.

Revelation 8:8 Then the second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a great burning mountain was cast into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood.

Revelation 17:9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

 

[Orgoonian]

Governments and thus the countries themselves are referred to as mountains, not earth.

Reveleation 8:8 Then the second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a great burning mountain was cast into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood.

Revelation 17:9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Symbol : = MOUNTAINS

Meaning: = POLITICAL OR RELIGIO/POLITICAL POWERS

Scriptural facts:

Isaiah 2:2-3, "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

Jeremiah 17:3, "O my mountain in the field, I will give thy substance and all thy treasures to the spoil, and thy high places for sin, throughout all thy borders."

Jeremiah 31:23, "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; As yet they shall use this speech in the land of Judah and in the cities thereof, when I shall bring again their captivity; The LORD bless thee, O habitation of justice, and mountain of holiness."

Jeremiah 51:24-25, "And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD. Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain."

Ezekiel 17:22-23, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent: In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell."

Daniel 2:35,44,45 "Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."

 

[worl]

How can there be so many different takes from this one book and it doesn't happen in any others? And if it does.... which ones? $ money greed the reason you have soo many versions. Most people are not aware that you can,t get a copyright on just the text of the king james bible. In order to make money they need to make a change either in the text or add their interpretation's such as the schofield referance. The old schofield ref. did'nt change the text but the new one did. All these people need to do is write their version & find a religion to recomend it & the money starts coming. The last I heard the southern babtist went from the king james to the new king james to the niv. They have also recomended many others as easier to understand so this get's verry confusing for people who don't know the history. Some with education will say that you need to go back to the greek & hebrew to understand it, yet they could'nt be more wrong. 11 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[Working Poor]

I found this to be a very interesting link:

http://jahtruth.net/twh.pdf

 

[robert9712000]

King James

I prefer the king james.I fully believe that God pushs his will through the inspiration in men .The king james was the first complete english translation which if God was going to spread his word throughout the english world why would he have to inspire multiple times . to me the first one was inspired by God and the rest are influenced by mans will to alter what doesnt need altered in an attempt to fit the bible to there will instead of changing there will to meet Gods.

Robert

 

[tsopranos]

Just to throw a wrench into the mix...I thought this debate was pretty good.

Hitchens Debates Rabbi Wolpe on God
http://richarddawkins.net/article,3304,Hitchens-Debates-Rabbi-Wolpe-on-God,NY-Times

Hitchens usually trounces his opponents, but the rabbi holds his own here.

For the record, I consider myself a deist.

 

[worl]

I prefer the king james.I fully believe that God pushs his will through the inspiration in men .The king james was the first complete english translation which if God was going to spread his word throughout the english world why would he have to inspire multiple times . to me the first one was inspired by God and the rest are influenced by mans will to alter what doesnt need altered in an attempt to fit the bible to there will instead of changing there will to meet Gods.

Robert

Actually it is the only version I trust but many say it is too hard to understand, or it has too many archaic word's. What most people want is an easy to read version that has someone's interpretation of what their reading. What they don't realize is the text has been changed, A little here & there over a period of years & you have a book to fit every religion.

 

[DFF]

I know the bible talks about dollars flooding the streets, something about one world government, anti-christ

No, you don't "know" because the words "dollar", "one world govt.", and "anti-christ" are never once mentioned in the bible.

These are interpretations made by men.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

The bible is fake. The revelations about the end times are a way to get "believers" to accept their own distruction. Christianity was created by the forebearers of the people who now control the world. They always operate this way. Say somethings going to happen, make it happen, then claim to be prophets while destroying those who dare speak the truth.

....The More You Know....

 

[Join The Paul Side]

Actually it is the only version I trust but many say it is too hard to understand, or it has too many archaic word's. What most people want is an easy to read version that has someone's interpretation of what their reading. What they don't realize is the text has been changed, A little here & there over a period of years & you have a book to fit every religion.

King James Version is good. I prefer Amplifed Bibles because they put the text in modern day English. It doesn't take much of an effort to compare the two and see they state the same thing. Perhaps you're just lazy.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

The bible is fake. The revelations about the end times are a way to get "believers" to accept their own distruction. Christianity was created by the forebearers of the people who now control the world. They always operate this way. Say somethings going to happen, make it happen, then claim to be prophets while destroying those who dare speak the truth.

....The More You Know....

Is this what mommy and daddy told you?

 

[RickyJ]

I know the bible talks about dollars flooding the streets, something about one world government, anti-christ. Things to that nature.. someone that knows alot about can they inform me a little more. Also, is anything you see going on now correlate to what the bible says about the end of times?

The part about there being wars and rumors of wars is happening now for sure. I don't know if that means we are in the last days or not. But I don't think nuclear weapons were all built to just prevent a world war. I think nations plan on using them some day.

 

[amonasro]

Everyone tries to predict when it will end. One thing the Bible does tell us, however, is that we actually have no idea. We will be taken by surprise, or at least our heads will be turned the other way.

Matthew 24:37-39, “As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.”

 

[Bman]

Quick question.

If god is all powerful and all knowing. And sent his son to earth to save us from our sins. And the word was so important.

Then why did Jesus not just simply pen out the scripture himself?

Was he too busy?

Is the almighty illiterate?

Did Jesus actually write down what he said and the scriptures are copies that the copier took credit for?

I mean it makes sense that if God had the ability to etch stone with the ten commandments (which strangly has never been seen, kinda of makes you wonder if someone called Moses on it) and presented himself in human form as his son (which raises a whole other line of questions) that he may have taken the time to actually write the stuff down himself.

I swear. Thousands of years of evolution, education, scientific discovery and yet some of you still belong in a cave with a stone hammer. Yes creationism must be true because evolution would have evolved the human brain past utter stupidity by now. Wouldn't it have?

 

[pastortony]

Here is a link that should prove to be helpful for some of you. The site contains articles and essays on eschatology that reflect the historic Christian view.

http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Eschatology/