Bible and the end of times..

[Crowish]

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To those whose main criticism of Christianity is the hypocrisy that they observe in the Christian Right (is there a Christian Left??), I'd just like to say that, yes, there are false teachers and hypocritical Christians galore.
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Quakers, Unitarians, etc are Christian left.

 

[Yooper Jo]

And all of the false teachers and prophets are spoken of by Jesus as a sign of the end times.

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."

 

[ProBlue33]

My 2 cents

Many scriptures are quoted to talk about the end times, however there is one that is consistantly missed.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3

I will post it from different bibles so you can get the full scope of it.

English Standard Version Bible
"1Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape."



Amplified Bible
"1BUT AS to the suitable times and the precise seasons and dates, brethren, you have no necessity for anything being written to you.
2For you yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the [return of the] Lord will come [as unexpectedly and suddenly] as a thief in the night.
3When people are saying, All is well and secure, and, There is peace and safety, then in a moment unforeseen destruction (ruin and death) will come upon them as suddenly as labor pains come upon a woman with child; and they shall by no means escape, for there will be no escape."


The Message Bible
"I don't think, friends, that I need to deal with the question of when all this is going to happen. You know as well as I that the day of the Master's coming can't be posted on our calendars. He won't call ahead and make an appointment any more than a burglar would. About the time everybody's walking around complacently, congratulating each other—"We've sure got it made! Now we can take it easy!"—suddenly everything will fall apart. It's going to come as suddenly and inescapably as birth pangs to a pregnant woman."


What does this mean. Well to me it means things will seem to get better just before the whole political system falls apart in destruction.
"Peace and Security" from the war on Terror will at some point be declared in the future as well as other peaceful efforts that seem to be working. So some high up political leaders can declare this to the world and that is the trigger for the end to begin.

I am wondering if Obama could be the catalyst for this "Change" to "Peace & Security" proclamation, as countries seem to favour him and would want to work with him. Whereas Bush and McCain don't seem like the type that would work towards this, they are the war monger types.

Amazingly this ties into what Ron Paul is saying at an economic level, total destruction of the economic system because of 95 years of band-aids creating a economic house of cards that has been artificially propped up over and over again. I think we are seeing the first wave of tremors on this right now.

 

[tropicangela]

Shopocalypse.

What Would Jesus Buy?:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1056487665981560376

On FOX Business:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Es89zk-dk

Glenn Beck:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wxjl2ERhnI

WGN Morning News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk_K-FKDEyk

 

[lucius]

Like George Bush?

Elected by zombie - like Christians?

More too it than that Oz, a reflection of our dialectical materialism in social-engineering: neo-Jacobin is closer to the mark.

This is from "America the Virtuous: The Crisis of Democracy and the Quest for Empire" by Claes G. Ryn (ISBN: 0765802198) who observes the rise of the new Jacobinism throughout Western civilization:

"Indeed, it is paradoxical that neoconservatism purports to be an outgrowth of traditional conservatism. It is equally paradoxical that most neoconservative Jacobins claim to be Christians. Neither traditional conservatism nor Christianity is reconcilable with the Jacobin principles espoused by the neoconservatives. Appellations aside, the neoconservative is actually just another variety of Marxist and, therefore, qualifies as a sociopolitical Darwinian.

While they peddle empty "Christian" rhetoric, neoconservatives still view their variety of technocratic-government as the desired outcome of humanity's alleged political evolution. The neoconservative believes that this political evolution can be consciously guided through the alchemy of geopolitics. The geopolitical schema of neoconservatism automatically lends itself to the promulgation of violent conflict, which is central to the evolutionary process. In the end, neoconservatism relocates the Darwinian "struggle for survival" within a sociopolitical context. Even if the neoconservative believes himself or herself to be sincere about their "Christian" faith, their Jacobin thinking unavoidably predisposes him or her to sociopolitical Darwinism."

All the political pigs (rep & dem) that are now gorging in the Pax Americana trough are neo-Jacobins, especially ‘geopolitical’ Brzezinski’s boy Obama.

Listen to bush's second inaugural address; he lifted this, word for word, from Fyodor Dostoevsky's "The Possesses" who uses the same phrase to describe the revolutionary faith that was emerging in 19th century Russia (see James Billington's "Fire in the Minds of Men):

"By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well--a fire in the minds of men. It warms those who feel its power, it burns those who fight its progress, and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corner of our world." srub/Dostoevsky/Billington

neo-Jacobins, no doubt:

This is most effectively illustrated by the resurgence of the ideological force that inspired the Great Terror in revolutionary France: Jacobinism...

The new Jacobinism is the main ideological and political force behind the present efforts to turn democracy into a worldwide moral crusade...(plebiscitary democracy of Rousseau/Jacobins, not constitutional/representative)

The neo-Jacobins view of the world splits humanity into two camps, those wishing the good of humanity and those perversely resisting it... (neo-Jacobins also share Marx's dichotomous logic)

A sign of the power of the new Jacobinism is that it is well represented across the political-intellectual spectrum (same shit different piles).

 

[Join The Paul Side]

And all of the false teachers and prophets are spoken of by Jesus as a sign of the end times.

Matthew 24:5 "For many will come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and will mislead many."

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many."

Reminds me of the sayings:

"If we leave Iraq now there will be chaos."

"If we leave Iraq now there will be genocide."

I wonder which false prophets said that.

 

[lucius]

Like George Bush?

Elected by zombie - like Christians?

More too it than that Oz, a reflection of our dialectical materialism in social-engineering: neo-Jacobin is closer to the mark.

This is from "America the Virtuous: The Crisis of Democracy and the Quest for Empire" by Claes G. Ryn (ISBN: 0765802198) who observes the rise of the new Jacobinism throughout Western civilization:

"Indeed, it is paradoxical that neoconservatism purports to be an outgrowth of traditional conservatism. It is equally paradoxical that most neoconservative Jacobins claim to be Christians. Neither traditional conservatism nor Christianity is reconcilable with the Jacobin principles espoused by the neoconservatives. Appellations aside, the neoconservative is actually just another variety of Marxist and, therefore, qualifies as a sociopolitical Darwinian.

While they peddle empty "Christian" rhetoric, neoconservatives still view their variety of technocratic-government as the desired outcome of humanity's alleged political evolution. The neoconservative believes that this political evolution can be consciously guided through the alchemy of geopolitics. The geopolitical schema of neoconservatism automatically lends itself to the promulgation of violent conflict, which is central to the evolutionary process. In the end, neoconservatism relocates the Darwinian "struggle for survival" within a sociopolitical context. Even if the neoconservative believes himself or herself to be sincere about their "Christian" faith, their Jacobin thinking unavoidably predisposes him or her to sociopolitical Darwinism."

All the political pigs (rep & dem) that are now gorging in the Pax Americana trough are neo-Jacobins, especially ‘geopolitical’ Brzezinski’s boy Obama.

Listen to bush's second inaugural address; he lifted this, word for word, from Fyodor Dostoevsky's "The Possesses" who uses the same phrase to describe the revolutionary faith that was emerging in 19th century Russia (see James Billington's "Fire in the Minds of Men):

"By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well--a fire in the minds of men. It warms those who feel its power, it burns those who fight its progress, and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corner of our world." srub/Dostoevsky/Billington

neo-Jacobins, no doubt:

This is most effectively illustrated by the resurgence of the ideological force that inspired the Great Terror in revolutionary France: Jacobinism...

The new Jacobinism is the main ideological and political force behind the present efforts to turn democracy into a worldwide moral crusade...(plebiscitary democracy of Rousseau/Jacobins, not constitutional/representative)

The neo-Jacobins view of the world splits humanity into two camps, those wishing the good of humanity and those perversely resisting it... (neo-Jacobins also share Marx's dichotomous logic)

A sign of the power of the new Jacobinism is that it is well represented across the political-intellectual spectrum (same shit different piles).

bump for Oz...

 

[Bman]

you're talking in generalities no substance ...

you missed my previous post


COMPARE
Julius Caesar's The Gallic Wars (10 manuscripts remain)
Thucydides' History (8 manuscripts)
Plato (7 manuscripts)

Ever heard of the Iliad? It is considered by scholars to be the second most-preserved work in all of history with ~634 manuscripts to verify it.

Out of 15,600 lines - there are 760 lines of disputed text or about 5%. But no one questions its integrity

The New testament has over 25,000 ancient manuscripts of copies and fragments and over 5,600 manuscripts copied from the original Greek with only 40 lines of disputed text.

With over 20,000 lines of text, 40 disputed lines represent only .2%, none of which affect core doctrine

nothing is documented in historical context? Josephus, plinius, talmud etc...
Just a handful of literature even existed during that time period

I'm not questioning when it was written. I'm questioning the accuarcy or proof that what was written is true or even happened. And if you can't prove something you can't call it fact. And you cannot prove that most of the things in the bible happened. Sure, people may say it happened but does that mean something actually happened.

See this is why Christianity hates science. Because you can't beleive in facts to believe in the bible. Especially when believeing that 99.8% of the bible is fact. It's just absoluty absurd and if you want to make the case you can start from the beginning. Where's the proof of God creating everything in 7 days. Where's the proof that Noah built an Ark. Where's the proof that Jews were slaves in Eygpt and rescued by Moses. Where's the proof that Job wrestled with God. Where's the proof that Jesus was born in a manger. Where's the proof that he died and was resurrected in 3 days.

See the bible is the only proof. And quite frankly the only way to believe in that book is to believe in magic and sorcery. Now maybe people believe in these types of special power, but please share so I can see one of these spectacles of pure B.S.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

Here's Noah's Ark.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=2133311&page=2

 

[RonPaulVolunteer]

See this is why Christianity hates science. Because you can't beleive in facts to believe in the bible.

My gosh, you have a severely perverted brain buddy. I follow Christ, and I am a VERY serious student of multiple scientific fields. Though I have no degree, as I am self-taught, I have 3 friends that are published scientists and absolute experts in their field, and I converse with them on their research, on their level, very frequently. I have attained much of my knowledge from the best universities in the world through their audio and DVD recordings of their entire class years. I have studied everything from archeology to astrophysics and nearly everything in between.

Most of the greatest scientists who have ever lived were confessing Christians.

Your statement is absolutely LUDICROUS. You are massively intellectually dishonest.

My study of the sciences has only increased my belief in God.

 

[bluemarkets]

See this is why Christianity hates science.

Bman:

Ever heard of Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Faraday, Kelvin, Bacon, etc...

Cant say these guys hate science since they believed in God and the Bible.

So tell me ... How did the world begin, and whats the purpose of life?

 

[cheapseats]

So tell me ... How did the world begin, and whats the purpose of life?

You will no doubt recall the hazards of eating of the Tree Of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

I AM...that's what He said, yes?

If all that is implied by that statement were understandable by man, God would not be greater than man.

 

[bluemarkets]

You will no doubt recall the hazards of eating of the Tree Of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

I AM...that's what He said, yes?

If all that is implied by that statement were understandable by man, God would not be greater than man.

True ... finite man can never fully fathom an infinite God

But He did give us His Word with the intent to answer these basic questions, among others, if we are truly seeking it

 

[Real_CaGeD]

Some people think the United States is the land of Israel, people of the tribes brought together.

 

[cheapseats]

But He did give us His Word with the intent to answer these basic questions, among others, if we are truly seeking it

I will argue that God's Word is God's Way...living God's Way will lead to God, as surely as the 405 will lead to the airport, for me. Some days are more snaggle-toothed than others, sometimes there are detours but, for me, the 405 always leads to the airport and God's Way always leads to God.

It's such an elemental knowledge, presuming original belief in God, it is no wonder that Believers would endeavor to codify the Way into Words...the better to set themselves aright on detours and to pass along to posterity.

The REALITY that the Bible was rendered Word by man and not by God, and that it was rendered Word by man substantially later than occurrence of the incidents recorded, leads a reasonable mind to know that it cannot NOT be flawed. It is an altogether human plan and execution.

To admit of no error, to claim infallibility, to suggest man has eaten of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is, I say with greatest respect, a sin of Pride. Venial, of course ...God appreciates the earnestness of true Believers...but it is prideful just the same.

Worse, and dangerously, Biblical literal-ness has been hijacked by Profiteers and Power Mongers as surely as the Republican party has been hijacked by Profiteers and Power Mongers.

 

[hillbilly123069]

bump

 

[Gin]

Here is a thought provoking bulletin that I posted not too long ago....

This period reflects where we are right now in History and what may very well be in our future...
After seeing the Scientific Account and the Nostradamus' account..
I truely beileve we may very well be living in the end of time.


It's Time You Know and Prepare


FEMA COFFINS & THEIR PLAN TO KILL 90% OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MPgpK0uHfk



Scientific Video

2012 The Dark Rift (part 1) !!! A MUST SEE !!! Has 3 parts... the link is at the end of the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdNbtuHHoyU


Prophetic Video

Lost Books of Nostradamus 2012 and Ophiuchus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0CHi1RXX0 part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPm6qCHCvjo Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbpER_qKkcI Part 3

 

[Original_Intent]

My feelings about end times.

There will be no pre-trib rapture.
Most of the people who know scripture chapter and verse will:

Accept the mark of the beast.
Worship the beast.
They will not be deceived by others, they will deceive themselves rather than change their world view.

I believe that we will see a world population under 1 billion within 50 years.

I believe that most if not all of the powers that be will be hunted (that's is Hopi prophecy, not Bible btw )

I believe that the United States will be humbled in the world arena, this is already starting, but I believe American's themselves will of necessity take a much humbler stance and become (after many trials) a much better nation. More freedom AND people acting more responsibly with those freedoms.

I believe the Second Coming will occur sometime between 2050 and 2070, but this is completely a personal guess based on my own calculations. I freely admit I could be completely wrong, and certainly am not claiming revelation on the matter.

I believe New York City will be destroyed by a fire.

I believe the US will be attacked by nuclear weapons, and it will be between the time of a presidential election and that president taking office. I also believe said attack will land on a holiday. I do not believe it will be this election cycle, but I am less confident of that.

I believe the US will be invaded on the West Coast but will be stopped. I believe the invaders will be led by China.

Strayed off course from what the Bible says, sorry about that.

 

[Xenophage]

Revelations was about being a loon.

 

[scandinaviany3]

I know the bible talks about dollars flooding the streets, something about one world government, anti-christ. Things to that nature.. someone that knows alot about can they inform me a little more. Also, is anything you see going on now correlate to what the bible says about the end of times?

Is there an image of a beast in revelation with parts of a lion, a leopard, a bear and a dragon?

Likewise similar but in reverse order the parts in daniel

That sounds pretty erie...wouldnt take too much of stretch to match these things up and the ten horns to where we are at or going.