Between now and November: Take down Mitt Romney

[LibertyEagle]

How about compiling all of our grassroots anti Romney videos, Romney's voting record, etc. and how the Romney camp put it for Doug Wead, give every news outlet from mainstream to your everyday college blog news paper "A PR A-Bomb" for Mittens. As someone had already stated in another post, this country is going to go down, and I'd rather it go down on Obama's watch than R Money's watch because a fall on Rmoney's watch, as fake as he is, will give true free market capitalism a huge black eye diminishing our Liberty movement.

I think it will make us look like crybabies, unfortunately.

 

[Romulus]

This was the fault of the Paul campaign.. they decided to cave in to Romney's threats... Doug Wead wanted to, I think Benton didn't..he's the one who is all about playing nice with the GOP.

Campaign fail. I stopped donated after it was clear they weren't going after Romney.. they should have done so instead of wasting time attacking Santorum. Ron himself did that...

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I'm not doing this. I strongly dislike Romney, but I hate Obama. Many other people agree with that view.

I am not campaigning for Romney, which my view now is. We would be better of with him in just about every aspect, but not by a huge amount, and I am wanting Rand to run in 2016. Taking down Romney though, is really just helping out Obama. And people within the GOP are noticing that. Many think Ron Paul supporters are secretly trying to help Obama get elected again, and many are. Its incredibly annoying for people like me who want progress and work within the party like Ron Paul.

Besides, attacking Romney is unproductive. If anything, it hurts us. Makes us more fringe and nutty. Makes us look like crybabies. Nobody likes those type of people in real life, and they don't like them in politics. They get thrown to the curb, deservingly so.

Productive efforts be helping liberty candidates get elected on all levels of government.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

If we outwardly get involved with this effort, it will likely cause a lot of blowback for our current and future liberty candidates.

Is it worth it?

I think so, but I see your point too. Why not do surgical strikes with no direct connection to Ron Paul or any of the official liberty orgs in the swing states, where it hurts?

I don't think that would even require promoting Gary Johnson, per say. Just raise money for marketing pointing out Romney's huge flaws. Don't even point to an alternative. People who are on the fence and open minded about Romney's problems will naturally go toward Obama or a third party candidate.

 

[Aratus]

if you want to make barack and mitt sweat during this tight election, you boost
gov. gary johnson heartily in the battleground states where his 3% has an impact

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Bottom line: This movement needs to stay out of the Presidential election, and get involved in other elections and educational campaigns. We don't want a divide, people like Rand, Amash, Schiff, Mack, and maybe Napolitano are going to reluctantly vote for Romney. We would basically be attacking our leaders, and they aren't sellouts, that is just fantasy.

Again, screwing the GOP while trying to use them as an outlet is a good way to get nowhere fast.

 

[Acala]

I want Romney to win. Here's why:

Whoever the next President is - Obama or Romney - they will fail miserably. The economy is going to continue to spiral down the toilet, perhaps with a spectacular flush at some point. Obama has already failed in the minds of many of his supporters. They haven't figured out what to do about it yet, but they have taken a hit. Now I want a new class of rah rah Republicans, who have been focusing on how bad Obama is, to get schooled by how unconservative, how corrupt, how terribly lame their RNC-endorsed Presidential candidate is.

Our cause within the Republican party will be best served by a conspicuous failure of the candidate we tried to save them from. We will win MORE converts in the Republican party if Romney wins and fails than if he loses and the Republicans can sit around for four more years blaming the democrats.

So I want Romney to win. I won't vote for him because my vote is an endorsement and I can't endorse a flagrant liar who stands for everything I oppose. But I DO want him to win and I won't do anything to try and prevent that.

 

[CogWheeler]

The best way to look at it:

4 more Obama, then a shot at electing Rand Paul, or many who'd be much better than Romney, as soon as 2016.

Otherwise, 8 years of Romney will just deepen the scars of Bush, and add another 5 trillion to our children's debt.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Bottom line: This movement needs to stay out of the Presidential election,

Bottom line, people are going to do whatever they want.

We would basically be attacking our leaders

YOUR "leaders," not mine. I don't need a "leader." These people aren't leading anything but their fellow humans to slaughter.

 

[KEEF]

I think it will make us look like crybabies, unfortunately.

Yeah, but imagine. If we are capable of raising millions of dollars in a 24 hour period, think of how flooded we could get every news outlet inbox with instead of moneybombs, we do email story bombs, twitter bombs, etc.. I don't care about looking like crybabies, it is about getting the truth out.

 

[jay_dub]

I'm getting the germ of an idea of a competing Republican Party to the GOP.

After what was pulled in Tampa by the Party leaders, we are not alone in being pissed off and feeling disenfranchised. It's a foundation that could be built on if done right. There is a chance here to grow the Liberty movement very quickly.

Why not have an American Republican Party that embodies the Conservative and Liberty values. Let's boot out the RINOs!!!

 

[nobody's_hero]

Bottom line: This movement needs to stay out of the Presidential election, and get involved in other elections and educational campaigns. We don't want a divide, people like Rand, Amash, Schiff, Mack, and maybe Napolitano are going to reluctantly vote for Romney. We would basically be attacking our leaders, and they aren't sellouts, that is just fantasy.

Again, screwing the GOP while trying to use them as an outlet is a good way to get nowhere fast.

You do realize that this strategy of going along with the nominee makes it a bit harder to reach out to democrats, right?

At my district convention, about 1/10 of our Ron Paul delegates were former Democrats. 2 of them admitted (to us, not to the convention, lol) they attended OWS events. Yet, most all of them stated that one of the critical characteristics that got them to listen to the liberty message in the first place was the fact that Dr. Ron Paul wasn't afraid to do or say what he felt was truth, even if it meant refusing to endorse neocons like John McCain. Consistency goes a long way, when it comes to spreading messages.

1/10 doesn't sound like much, but the question is, are we really willing to sacrifice another 1/10 of potential supporters when we need everything we can get?

I suppose our strategies may depend on where we live. If you live in a solid-red area, by all means, do what you believe is necessary to win over republicans. Those of us in blue-areas can't really afford to be seen associating with neoconservatives, if we want to wake people up and grow our numbers at the local level. One challenge I haven't figured out here in SW GA is, when I start up a county chapter of the GOP, how am I going to convince newcomers in a largely-democratic area that I'm holding true to the principles of liberty and at the same time, be able to criticize the republican party leadership?

 

[KEEF]

I want Romney to win. Here's why:

Whoever the next President is - Obama or Romney - they will fail miserably. The economy is going to continue to spiral down the toilet, perhaps with a spectacular flush at some point. Obama has already failed in the minds of many of his supporters. They haven't figured out what to do about it yet, but they have taken a hit. Now I want a new class of rah rah Republicans, who have been focusing on how bad Obama is, to get schooled by how unconservative, how corrupt, how terribly lame their RNC-endorsed Presidential candidate is.

Our cause within the Republican party will be best served by a conspicuous failure of the candidate we tried to save them from. We will win MORE converts in the Republican party if Romney wins and fails than if he loses and the Republicans can sit around for four more years blaming the democrats.

So I want Romney to win. I won't vote for him because my vote is an endorsement and I can't endorse a flagrant liar who stands for everything I oppose. But I DO want him to win and I won't do anything to try and prevent that.

I see your point, but I don't think you are going to get a new class of rah rah Republicans if Romney wins. Currently they have the power that cuts our power at the heals if we challenge Rmoney in a 2016 primary. Look at how quiet the so-called small government republicans were during the Bush years because of the "it was all to keep us safe" jargon that was shoved in everyone's ears by Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, etc.
If Rmony is a failure as president, those same cheerleaders will make him still look like a saint in the eyes of the voters that will vote for a dead horse just as long as it has an R next to its name.

 

[CableNewsJunkie]

That's easy.

Eastwood TROLLOLOLOLLED the whole Establishment, but Twitter doesn't yet realize the SCALE and MAGNITUDE of what he's done. (I don't have Twitter, so if you do, please get this out there.)

Behold, Clint Eastwood's subtle illustration of treason against all grassroots activists.

A picture says a thousand words.

Please help Tweet and FaceBook this image to the entire world. I just have a feeling about this one...HISTORIC.

 

[Suzu]

There's a pretty damaging article on Romney in the newest issue of Rolling Stone.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829

 

[orenbus]

You do realize that this strategy of going along with the nominee makes it a bit harder to reach out to democrats, right?

At my district convention, about 1/10 of our Ron Paul delegates were former Democrats. 2 of them admitted (to us, not to the convention, lol) they attended OWS events. Yet, most all of them stated that one of the critical characteristics that got them to listen to the liberty message in the first place was the fact that Dr. Ron Paul wasn't afraid to do or say what he felt was truth, even if it meant refusing to endorse neocons like John McCain.

1/10 doesn't sound like much, but the question is, are we really willing to sacrifice another 1/10 of potential supporters when we need everything we can get?

I suppose our strategy may depend on where we live. If you live in a solid-red area, by all means, do what you believe is necessary to win over republicans. Those of us in blue-areas can't really afford to be seen associating with neoconservatives, if we want to wake people up and grow our numbers at the local level. One challenge I haven't figured out here in SW GA is, when I start up a county chapter of the GOP, how am I going to convince newcomers in a largely-democratic area that I'm holding true to the principles of liberty and at the same time, be able to criticize the republican party leadership?

+rep

as a former dem I agree with this.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Im gonna bet that Romney is already finished.It will be a landslide against Romney in the general

 

[angelatc]

If Christie wants to run in 2016, rest assured there are forces in that wing of the GOP seeking to undermine Romney's chances, too. We'll be fighting them in 2016, but for now...

 

[angelatc]

Im gonna bet that Romney is already finished.It will be a landslide against Romney in the general

I used to think that, but the economy is just so stagnant. Because Obama has no accomplishments to run on, he has to run a negative campaign, which means that Romney gets to play Hope, while Ryan gets to extol the virtues of Change.

 

[Romulus]

PEOPLE

Promote what you love, not what you hate.

Don't waste your energy playing these negative games. Fight for positive liberty in your life.