Ben Carson: Being Gay Is A Choice Because Of Prison Sex [VIDEO]

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Interesting.

 

[Dr.3D]

i assume most in here have watched porn of some kind. If you're a guy and you look at a guys dick, that makes you gay.

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I'll mention that to my urologist the next time I see him.

 

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What is with the off topic pics?

 

[KingRobbStark]

Bad analogy, cannibals are a subset of omnivores, whereas homosexuals are not a subset of heterosexuals.

Carson's argument is easily defended: if homosexuality is genetic then the incidence thereof should not change according to circumstances. However, since we know that it does - thanks to observed prison behavior - homosexuality cannot be solely genetic (and may not be genetic at all), so there must be other, non-genetic factors involved, factors which must necessarily include an element of human choice.

No it can't. The standard in which he basis his argument is not universally applicable.

 

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Carson is rocketing:


Poll: Trump on top, Carson in second

The Hill (blog)-Aug 17, 2015
Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson grabbed 12 percent in the poll, released Sunday, up 5 points and rocketing to second place ahead of former ...

 

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[Warrior_of_Freedom]

It's interesting that there are straight people who get all bent out o shape butt hurt over even the hint of a suggestion that being gay might be a choice when there are gay people who revel in the "fact" that it is a choice.

That's bullshit. It's the "gay community" that are dead set on making gay not a choice. "Do you think I chose to be gay? hurr durr durr"

 

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http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...helli-affair&p=5666492&viewfull=1#post5666492

What is you trying to communicate?

 

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Ben Carson: 'I feel fingers' from God to run for President
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politi...n-god-fingers/

 

[hells_unicorn]

That's bullshit. It's the "gay community" that are dead set on making gay not a choice. "Do you think I chose to be gay? hurr durr durr"

That's the way it mostly is today, but back in the 70s and 80s when the whole queer thing first started picking up steam in the public eye, said community didn't like the "gay is genetic" argument because it sounded like a defect, and they thought it was simply a beautiful thing that people choose to do. There have been some decent articles on Taki's Magazine talking about this topic, here's one of them:

http://takimag.com/article/homosexuality_whats_choice_got_to_do_with_it/print

 

[TheTexan]

Depends what kind of prison sex

 

[Murray N Rothbard]

It's said the average male thinks about sex every five seconds...

Assuming the same for homosexual men, I'd say they're probably right to be pissed about being told the involuntary thoughts going through their head every 5 seconds are their "choice."

I think the issue people are having is seeing this as behavior vs identity. Identity determines behavior, not the other way around. Gays likely want to see it from the perspective of identity because they live that every day and the behavior itself probably seems like a very little part of it, it may not even have ever happened. The GOP for whatever reason wants to see it behaviorally probably because they see the behavior as some violation to be held accountable for, and because of the underlying religious angst they get from acknowledging that people have sexual thoughts all the time. They're products of genes and environments never in their control, and they say a lot more about a person's identity than what comes to the surface as behavior.

 

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[ProIndividual]

If you think being gay is a choice, you're not straight. I'm straight, and there is no possible way I can be attracted to a man-ass. People who think it's a choice or believe in the mythologically-based "temptation of homosexuality" are the ones tempted and choosing...us straight people aren't able to like the same sex. Whether it is purely genetic, epigenetic, or something that happens very early in childhood, who knows...but it certainly is one of the three. Every gay or bi person I know and have known since grade school or middle school was known to be not straight by all the other kids before they even knew themselves. It's not a choice. Those who believe it is are in the closet bi or gay. It's that simple. If it isn't, how come I can't find man-ass attractive, but totally find most woman-ass sexy, or at least not totally repulsive (of course some exceptions for the obese or surgically-altered exist)?

When people say it is choice to be attracted to what sex(es) they are attracted to, I always chuckle and say "it's okay, you can come out now".

 

[ProIndividual]

It's said the average male thinks about sex every five seconds...

It's not scientific. Scientists deny that.

 

[osan]

If you think being gay is a choice, you're not straight.

And you're not right. I have had a ton of queer acquaintances and a few friends. In most cases I would agree that they were born that way, but not in all. Several of my homo friends/acquaintances were very emphatic on the point that they were manufactured. Furthermore, I grew up in a very violent place where queer rape was a more or less daily occurrence. Quite a few of those victims grew up queer as it gets. I have no doubt whatsoever that had those children been left in peace, they would have grown into healthy heterosexual adulthood.

I'm straight, and there is no possible way I can be attracted to a man-ass.

And had you been employed as someone's catamite, you would have grown into a flaming homo. Nature speaks for much of what we are, but that can almost always be subverted by... AHEM... "nurture", or more aptly in this case, circumstance.

People who think it's a choice or believe in the mythologically-based "temptation of homosexuality" are the ones tempted and choosing...us straight people aren't able to like the same sex.

This seems to be a real issue with you. Hmmmm...

Whether it is purely genetic, epigenetic, or something that happens very early in childhood, who knows...but it certainly is one of the three.

After that short diatribe, you turn 180* and contradict yourself. WTH?

Every gay or bi person I know and have known since grade school or middle school was known to be not straight by all the other kids before they even knew themselves.

And my experiences contradict yours. Given mine are broader than yours in scope, it would seem you have been trumped.

It's not a choice.

In most cases, I tend to agree. But not in all.

I will add that the instance of homosexuality is growing significantly. One is then moved to ask, "why?" There are several possible answers. One is that the stigma is lifting and more people are coming out who would otherwise have remained closeted. I believe this is plausible, but not to the degree we are witnessing. To my way of seeing, based on my experiences and my knowledge of the human beast, the far more likely answer is that children now come up in an environment that does not just teach about queer, but rather editorializes and in fact encourages the choice. It is one thing to recognize queer as an aberration of the normal sexual function of human beings and to acknowledge that while abnormal, it is nonetheless natural and no reason for grave alarm. They are not taught that normal children may be turned through environmental factors. They are not taught that gay is something to be avoided unless one has the unmistakable burn to be "that way".

What they are taught is that "gay is OK", but not in the proper tone. Rather, it is a tone that through innuendo drives children toward that outcome. I have witnessed this in the schools. It is on the television, and in all media outlets. Gay is not being acknowledged in an honest and rational manner. Rather, it is being PROMOTED in the way similar to the guy at the circus who stands before the big-top, crying "hurry, hurry, hurry, step right up..."

Let us not be naive or willfully blind. There is a sea change afoot and it is eating children up. Perhaps this is the effect of "over population" - I concede the possibility - but I do not accept it as a likely truth. There has always been an element that has sought to expand its ranks and they seem to be succeeding.

To believe that queer is only by non-choice is ludicrous on its face. Ben Carson is right in the sense of the example of prisons. Lots of men who are morally weak give in to the drives and become queer. That in itself is prima facie proof that in some cases queer is indeed by choice. His error lays in assuming it to be the universal case, which it is clearly not. I have known people so flaming queer that the atmosphere around them would combust as they floated down the sidewalks.

Each of the extreme positions is flawed.

ETA: The commonly asserted claim that 10% of humanity is naturally queer passes no muster with me. I would bet money I do not have that it is significantly less than 1%, perhaps under 0.5%. The reason for this is simple statistical reality. Ten percent is a HUGE proportion of any population. Ten percent queer could not be successfully contained for millennia in the ways that it had been. Now, all of a sudden, all the queers are breaking out? Bullshit. Consider Rome, where having catamites was a commonplace among the wealthy. Even there the appearance is that nowhere near 10% of that population was queer. The 10% claim is made mostly by the homos and is nothing more than a very transparent attempt to gain legitimacy. I find that amusing in that were they in possession of themselves and the innate validity of their positions as queers, they would have no need to manufacture "respectability". They refuse to accept that they are abnormal because they believe that being regarded as "normal" is some grand objective of the homo "community". This is but the merest taste of how out to lunch a great many of these people are - the more "militant" of the ilk, shall we say? I have only one close queer friend these days, and he is nothing like this. He's a very normal sort of person in every respect, save that he is a homo. He makes no issue of it. He goes about his life as you and I would. The queers militant, I suspect, represent a very small percentage of people of that orientation. Perhaps I am mistaken on that point.

Those who believe it is are in the closet bi or gay.

You are dead wrong. The more your write, the more I am moved to go "Hmmmmm...."

It's that simple.

No, it is that SIMPLISTIC. World is a bit more subtle and complicated than you would have us believe.

If it isn't, how come I can't find man-ass attractive, but totally find most woman-ass sexy, or at least not totally repulsive (of course some exceptions for the obese or surgically-altered exist)?

Why protesteth thou with such venom?

When people say it is choice to be attracted to what sex(es) they are attracted to, I always chuckle and say "it's okay, you can come out now".

Whatever gets you through your day.

 

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Not sure how much if any was OP news a factor but there are unconfirmed reports that Carson has suspended campaigning.

 

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Ben Carson Calls Transgender Military Members A Distraction

Samantha-Jo Roth Freelance Reporter

12/06/2015 11:18 am ET | Updated 1 hour ago

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa -- Ben Carson told veterans at an event in Waterloo, Iowa, on Saturday that the military is not the place to deal with the “transgender thing.”

“I do not appreciate using our military as a laboratory for a social experiment,” Carson said at a town hall hosted by Concerned Veterans for America. “You know, we have too many important things to do.”

The retired neurosurgeon and Republican presidential hopeful questioned allowing people who identify as transgender to serve in the military. His comments come as Pentagon officials prepare the logistics of integrating transgender troops into the armed forces next year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-transgender-military_566442cce4b08e945fefd34f


Controvercial politician BC in news again.

 

[sparebulb]

What about scientifical-like evidence that men that are put in the military come out as homosexuals.

Just look at the Navy, they never leave their buddy's behind.

And the Air Force, as a whole, is completely gay.

 

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