Believe in Miracles

[acptulsa]

Are you or are you not a Christian?

Does it matter? Does it even make a difference to this conversation?

 

[Minestra di pomodoro]

Does it matter? Does it even make a difference to this conversation?

It makes a difference to this reader.

 

[yongrel]

It makes a difference to this reader.

That's a shame.

 

[phixion]

Does it matter? Does it even make a difference to this conversation?

Yes because you said "No offense, but you could stand to reevaluate your criteria for which conclusions are and aren't within safe jumping distance."

Prove I could stand to reevaluate my criteria by stating you are not a Christian and that I am wrong to jump to that conclusion. It's simple, is it not?

Pete

 

[acptulsa]

That's a shame.

It really is.

And doubly so because I tend not to answer the question.

Cuts down on ad hominem attacks. You want to discuss something with me, look at what I say, not what theology might or might not be behind it.

 

[Worthyone]

I suggest you leave your 'athiest campaign manager' alone.

Stop pittying him for not having 'faith' and don't be so condescending to him. He doesn't need saving nor does he need your religion. He is fine on his own.

Why are you clutching at straws (a stroke of good luck) to validate your belief in the all mighty?

Why would God organise for your sign to be seen by this reporter yet stand by as thousands die in China from earthquakes or whatever.. oh for gods sake, I can't do it. I aren't going to bother replying to anymore of you kooky Christians nomore. It's a waste of my time.

You think God's with you helping out your campaign?

Funny that 'cos your opponent probably thinks the same, if he's a religious kook as well.

And if God is HELPING YOUR CAMPAIGN,,, if your campaign FAILS...... I suppose that's GODS WILL - even though he was trying to help make it work?

How can you NOT see how rediculous this is.

Engage the brain!

Dito.

When this revolution succeeds, it will be because we took action and made it happen. Not because some imaginary being made it so. Religion has been used as crowd control since the beginning of man practically. It's simple really, if the people believe that there is this magical happy place when you die. Then you won't mind if your life sucks a little. And then Christianity comes along and says if you are disruptive and bad you go to hell. It's frickin genius if you ask me.

 

[phixion]

It really is.

And doubly so because I tend not to answer the question.

Cuts down on ad hominem attacks. You want to discuss something with me, look at what I say, not what theology might or might not be behind it.

See, I also conclude from that post that you are admitting you are a Christian.

Why suggest I need to reevaluate how I come to my conclusions when they were/are probably correct?

Either I'm correct or very detached from reality and completely misreading you.

It does not matter if you are a Christian or not to me. It really does not. Rarely will I attack anyone for being religious unless they're being like the OP, offensive and preachy. You are clearly not that type of Christian which I have also concluded from observing your character,,, posts and content.............etc.

Gosh..

Pete

 

[acptulsa]

Prove I could stand to reevaluate my criteria by stating you are not a Christian and that I am wrong to jump to that conclusion. It's simple, is it not?

I have a firm policy of never being an enabler. If I tell you which leaps of logic landed you on solid ground (probably by accident) you'll just try to rejudge your leaping distance (which probably wouldn't help you) instead of learning to firmly plant one logical foot in front of the other.

 

[phixion]

I have a firm policy of never being an enabler. If I tell you which leaps of logic landed you on solid ground (probably by accident) you'll just try to rejudge your leaping distance (which probably wouldn't help you) instead of learning to firmly plant one logical foot in front of the other.

You made it abundantly clear in more ways than one. Like I said, it was a culmination of factors. Not limited to a few lines, words or posts.

One glaring factor that I picked up was that for you, in a thread such as this with the discussion going on, personally what you didn't say revealed more to me about your faith than you care to share.

Suffice to say it was no accident.

The only reason it makes a difference wether you are or aren't a Christian is because you challenged how I came, or in your words jumped, to the conclusion.

Pete

 

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

I keep telling my atheist campaign manager that prehaps the purpose of my race is not getting me elected, but for him to experience these miracles with me and find faith.

I know you christians think you're doing good when you act like this, but you have to realize how insulting it is to the person you're berating. Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot:

"So you're a Christian? Well, don't worry, I'll be sure to pray that you receive Allah's guiding light before it's too late."

It's like being called a "niggerman" by a really polite old lady who doesn't know any better. Understandable, but absolutely fucking infuriating all the same.

 

[allyinoh]

I know you christians think you're doing good when you act like this, but you have to realize how insulting it is to the person you're berating. Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot:

"So you're a Christian? Well, don't worry, I'll be sure to pray that you receive Allah's guiding light before it's too late."

It's like being called a "niggerman" by a really polite old lady who doesn't know any better. Understandable, but absolutely fucking infuriating all the same.

How do you know that he is "berating" his campaign manager? All he said was that maybe he could find faith. WTF is wrong with you guys? Wow... He didn't tell the guy, "Since you're not a Christian when you die you are going to burn for eternity in a pit of Hell. You are a bad person because you don't believe. I'm going to pray for you so that you will come to your senses."

If he had said something like that, I might have a problem with it. But he didn't. And like I've been saying, instead of jumping to conclusions and attacking the OP and defending his campaign manager, why don't you guys wait for him to come back?

How do you know that this guy doesn't have to listen to his campaign manager talk bad about Christianity? Oh that's right, you don't, but you're just assuming that he's the victim and the OP is the bad person-because he's a Christian.

I have a family member who is a an atheist and they tell me all the time about how stupid I am and how it's bullshit that I believe in Jesus, etc etc. I simply tell this person all the time that "YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE HOW YOU WANT TO AND I'LL RESPECT THAT, HOWEVER, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE IN THE WAY I WANT AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU GIVE ME THE SAME RESPECT."

It's the OP right to say whatever he wants, as does the campaign manager have the right to say whatever he wants. If either one dislikes it, they should make it known. And if either one is becoming too much to handle then they should separate.

I think part of the problem with the people in the revolution is that they did not respect the beliefs of the Christians who would be supporters and that cost us a lot of supporters.

When a big portion of the population considers themselves Christians and you need votes to win, it's not a wise thing to push away people who could have helped you and this is precisely what people have done.

Oh and if someone told me that they were going to pray for me to Allah, I would tell them thanks and leave it at that. If someone wants to pray for me to whatever god they serve, that's fine, it's not going to effect my beliefs. I'm not going to insult someone just because they are of different faith.

 

[allyinoh]

Well it happens I will not knock down any person's religion. In fact Christians have done a great job of holding morals together. I am not one who believes everything goes no matter how creepy. Like abortions and pushing the gay life style on little kids as a healthy alternative. I have nothing against gays as long as they don't push it in your face or our children. They are no better than a over religious person pushing religion in your face.

Or atheists wanting to push their non-belief in every aspect of schools, government, etc etc.

Thank you for your comments. I can't express how much respect I have for people who refuse to beat up on any religion.

For some people, making fun of Christians and insulting and attacking them seems like a personal goal.

I may not be Muslim or Hindu or Jewish but I still respect the fact that they have the right to believe in whatever they want.

 

[Minestra di pomodoro]

When a big portion of the population considers themselves Christians and you need votes to win, it's not a wise thing to push away people who could have helped you and this is precisely what people have done.

This is everything that is wrong with the United States today.

 

[allyinoh]

This is everything that is wrong with the United States today.

Well you have the right to believe that.

I am going to remain the bigger person as I always do and not resort to childish name calling and insulting.

You should try it too.

 

[acptulsa]

This is everything that is wrong with the United States today.

What--the fact that a chunk of the U.S. populace considers itself Christian? Or the fact that many people in these United States split themselves into factions (or allow our politicians, preachers and others to do it) based on many things, some deep and some superficial but none that should be sufficient to divide Americans one against the other?

 

[Conza88]

 

[skyorbit]

"So you're a Christian? Well, don't worry, I'll be sure to pray that you receive Allah's guiding light before it's too late."

It's like being called a "niggerman" by a really polite old lady who doesn't know any better. Understandable, but absolutely fucking infuriating all the same.

Frankly, I fail to see the resemeblance.

If the Muslim in the above quote really did believe Christians were Heathan's and going to sheal, and really cared about me. I would hope that he would pray for me.

Just like, I'll pray for him to realize that only JEsus is the way.

Tracy

 

[phixion]

Frankly, I fail to see the resemeblance.

If the Muslim in the above quote really did believe Christians were Heathan's and going to sheal, and really cared about me. I would hope that he would pray for me.

Just like, I'll pray for him to realize that only JEsus is the way.

Tracy

Pepsi sucks! No Coke sucks!

But aslong as you're drinking cola, it's alright.

Pete

 

[Theocrat]

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I agree. Honestly, the only one who even comes close to "asking for it" is Theocrat--and that's because he tries to make the case that your life is useless and everything is meaningless unless you subscribe to his brand of religion.

I know I'm related to a lot of religious people, I really have no problem with it, I don't feel the need to convert anyone to my own point of view. The only thing I argue is the attempt to push religion into science education. It's a long, arduous path before you get to the point where the two disciplines even come close to overlapping. To apply science to religion waters down faith, to apply religion to science waters down logic.

 

[amy31416]

Sorry to have offended you Theocrat. It's difficult to be oneself and have your own opinions and thoughts that don't fall in line with yours and not do so.

That said, I have a lot of respect for you simply because you support Ron Paul--and that's not something typical of a theocrat, so kudos to you for not being typical.