Beck was a second away from slamming Rand

[cindy25]

Can we ever get a difinitive reason why we kiss israels ass? Im just dumbfounded and cant figure it out!

The Holocaust, the never ending excuse

 

[COpatriot]

This Israel hate thread should go in hot topics.

It's not hate. It's a legitimate disdain for our unconditional support for another country that has caused us a lot of problems over the last few decades.

 

[cindy25]

I agree. Its like hating Swedish people because you don't like the Swedish government.

Sweden doesn't get $3 billion in handouts every year; and the Swedish PM doesn't lecture the American president.
also, Israel represents everything most of us hate: conscription (male and female), socialized healthcare, high taxes. it is the ultimate security nanny state.

 

[cindy25]

In 1948, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq had an opportunity to repel the Israelis out, but they lost. 4 countries against 1. I'm a Darwinist. Blame those Arab countries for being weak and not extinguishing the seed when it had the chance.

agreed; but Darwinism should mean that Israel should either live or die by its own means; any country that needs handouts decade after decade after decade no longer deserves to be independent.

the Israel of 1948 deserved to win, they were the David; the Israel of 2011 is just a bully.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

It's not hate. It's a legitimate disdain for our unconditional support for another country that has caused us a lot of problems over the last few decades.

Some of it is as you say; and some of it is nothing but thinly veiled Joo-hatin'.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Some of it is as you say; and some of it is nothing but thinly veiled Joo-hatin'.

Give me a break. The only one you could accuse of that on the forum is Sofia.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Give me a break. The only one you could accuse of that on the forum is Sofia.

I'm not familiar enough with the users on the forum to cite specific cases (Sofia definitely stands out, though). I've seen more than a couple fevered references to "the Jews in Hollywood" and "the Jews on Wall Street" and "the Jews controlling our government".

It's nonsense; it'd be like suggesting all "the blacks" get together and secretly conspire to take over American sports, or all "the gooks" have a plan to take over American physics departments.

"The Jews" aren't our problem...

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'm not familiar enough with the users on the forum to cite specific cases (Sofia definitely stands out, though). I've seen more than a couple fevered references to "the Jews in Hollywood" and "the Jews on Wall Street" and "the Jews controlling our government".

It's nonsense; it'd be like suggesting all "the blacks" get together and secretly conspire to take over American sports, or all "the gooks" have a plan to take over American physics departments.

"The Jews" aren't our problem...

Israel and AIPAC is a problem -- I do not know why you confuse the two (Just because someone is anti-NAACP does not mean they are anti-black...for instance). No one in this thread is anti-Jew.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Israel and AIPAC is a problem -- I do not know why you confuse the two (Just because someone is anti-NAACP does not mean they are anti-black...for instance). No one in this thread is anti-Jew.

I don't confuse them. I stated earlier that I agree that our foreign policy in regards Israel is disastrous.

I then pointed out that the few instances of apparent "Joo-hatin'" in this thread and on the forum in general is disconcerting... two occasions from this thread:

Because jews own "our" governments, banks, and media?

Its not hard to figure out..

Every chairman of the FED for the past 40 years has been Jewish...(Bernanke, Greenspan, Volcker, Burns)

The NY Times and Washisngton Post are Jewish owned (Sulzberger, Meyer-Graham)

ABC, NBC, and CBS were all founded by Jews (Goldenson, Sarnoff, Paley)

Hollywood is more Jewish than a bar mitsvah....and 50% of all billionaires in USA are Jewish...

read the book in my signature line and you'll see.....

Again, I'm merely stating that I find this sort of language disconcerting. I'm not suggesting it be censored, or that it represents a majority. However, one would think that this sort of paranoid collectivist nonsense would be the subject of scorn. Maybe I'm just too new here...

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I don't confuse them. I stated earlier that I agree that our foreign policy in regards Israel is disastrous.

I then pointed out that the few instances of apparent "Joo-hatin'" in this thread and on the forum in general is disconcerting... two occasions from this thread:





Again, I'm merely stating that I find this sort of language disconcerting. I'm not suggesting it be censored, or that it represents a majority. However, one would think that this sort of paranoid collectivist nonsense would be the subject of scorn. Maybe I'm just too new here...

You are quoting Sofia which I all ready said is probably the only one with a bias against Jews. Everyone here all ready knows this and he has almost no support here. Like I said, you are doing the same associations that progressives make (Oh, you are against affirmative action, NAACP, etc. must mean you are racist because the KKK is against those things too!).

I don't think it is disconcerting because no one supports Sofia. You would have a case if the opposite is true.

I mean seriously ... if you polled the forum 99% would say their philosophic influences are mainly Jewish (Mises, Rothbard, Hazlitt, Schiff, Walter Block, FA Hayek, etc.) -- so to say there is a bias against the Jewish people is just laughable.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

You are quoting Sofia which I all ready said is probably the only one with a bias against Jews. Everyone here all ready knows this and he has almost no support here. Like I said, you are doing the same associations that progressives make (Oh, you are against affirmative action, NAACP, etc. must mean you are racist because the KKK is against those things too!).

I'm really not trying to argue with you because I generally agree with what I see you post around here, but I'm not making this false association:

I don't confuse them. I stated earlier that I agree that our foreign policy in regards Israel is disastrous.

I then pointed out that the few instances of apparent "Joo-hatin'" in this thread and on the forum in general is disconcerting... two occasions from this thread:

I don't think it is disconcerting because no one supports Sofia. You would have a case if the opposite is true.

One quote was from Sofia; the other was from another poster from earlier in the thread. As a relatively new poster around here, I can tell you that these certainly few instances here and in other threads do stick out. I didn't suggest that they're representative of the whole, or that any other poster besides these particular people are to blame. As I said, though, I would expect to see these posts the subject of more scorn. Again, maybe this is a case of me being too new here:

Again, I'm merely stating that I find this sort of language disconcerting. I'm not suggesting it be censored, or that it represents a majority. However, one would think that this sort of paranoid collectivist nonsense would be the subject of scorn. Maybe I'm just too new here...

It is bizarre that these people would bother with a forum ostensibly dedicated to one of if not the most principled, philosophically sound and individual liberty oriented politicians in American history.

I mean seriously ... if you polled the forum 99% would say their philosophic influences are mainly Jewish (Mises, Rothbard, Hazlitt, Schiff, Walter Block, FA Hayek, etc.) -- so to say there is a bias against the Jewish people is just laughable.

:thumbs: As an anarchist, Rothbard's For a New Liberty was, for me, a philosophical lynchpin.

 

[cindy25]

Jews are not the problem, Zionists are; some of the best of the progressives are Jewish ( Wyden, Feingold); but the super Zionists (Schumer, Lieberman) are the worst of the senate

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'm really not trying to argue with you because I generally agree with what I see you post around here, but I'm not making this false association:





One quote was from Sofia; the other was from another poster from earlier in the thread. As a relatively new poster around here, I can tell you that these certainly few instances here and in other threads do stick out. I didn't suggest that they're representative of the whole, or that any other poster besides these particular people are to blame. As I said, though, I would expect to see these posts the subject of more scorn. Again, maybe this is a case of me being too new here:



It is bizarre that these people would bother with a forum ostensibly dedicated to one of if not the most principled, philosophically sound and individual liberty oriented politicians in American history.



:thumbs: As an anarchist, Rothbard's For a New Liberty was, for me, a philosophical lynchpin.

Fair enough. Though since you are relatively new if you go back and look at the threads made by Sofia, we scorn him enough -- at this point most of us just ignore him (ostracizition is much better than acknowledging his existence ).

I have enjoyed your few posts here too, I just really dislike the wantonness that people throw around racist/xenophobic epithets as I believe it makes the word useless and it doesn't do justice to actual racists (aka cry wolf). We should reserve that label for actual racists and xenophobes in my opinion (You know like KKK, Stormfront, Black Panthers, Zionists, La Raza, etc.).

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Fair enough. Though since you are relatively new if you go back and look at the threads made by Sofia, we scorn him enough -- at this point most of us just ignore him (ostracizition is much better than acknowledging his existence ).

Understood, and well said - ignore the ignorant, don't feed the troll.

I have enjoyed your few posts here too, I just really dislike the wantonness that people throw around racist/xenophobic epithets as I believe it makes the word useless and it doesn't do justice to actual racists (aka cry wolf). We should reserve that label for actual racists and xenophobes in my opinion (You know like KKK, Stormfront, Black Panthers, Zionists, La Raza, etc.).

Yeah, I can understand that. :thumbs: