Beck was a second away from slamming Rand

So what are you zionists going to say when Israel faces a demographics crisis from the large amount of muslims and non-Jews living in their country, the American empire collapses, and the Euro-Russians don't see it in their best interests to defend Israel? Israel is going to collapse one way or another.
 
How about freedom first? Fuck arbitrary borders.

Here, here, sir! Forget arbitrary borders, and this non-sense collectivism.

As to the topic at hand, I find Beck's behavior regarding Israel and his passive-aggression toward that neighboring states of that country to be bizarre, but unsurprising. Beck is an intellectual lightweight. He fancies himself the protagonist of a great mystery novel it seems. He's so fascinated with his own interpretation of world events, and seems utterly convinced by his flimsy philosophical framework. He's a dolt, but dangerous, given his forum.

As to the secondary topic at hand, I find the borderline anti-semitism around here a bit unnerving, and part of the reason I seldom post. I don't have a problem with the posts that question American foreign policy toward Israel - indeed I agree. What I find troubling are comments and observations that begin and end with, "the Jew Bankers", or "the Jews in Hollywood". And it's not just the usage; it's the clear implications of the comments... smacks of desiring a purge. It's simple-minded stuff that propagandists love to feed on; and it's a terrible shame it shows up on a forum seemingly dedicated to the most principled, philosophically sound and individual liberty oriented politicians in American history.
 
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So what are you zionists going to say when Israel faces a demographics crisis from the large amount of muslims and non-Jews living in their country, the American empire collapses, and the Euro-Russians don't see it in their best interests to defend Israel? Israel is going to collapse one way or another.

If that happens, so be it. We shouldn't risk WW3 to insure the precarious future of Israel.
 
Um. The British created Palestine as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

And for the record, the Palestinians aren't even the indigenous people of that particular land. Basically, we have two usurpers fighting over land they have no right to.

According to the Bible the original inhabitants (the Cananites) were wiped out in a holocaust Hebrew jihad. Anyhow I have no problem with Israel exercising its right of conquest as long as they don't do it on my dime.
 
In 1948, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq had an opportunity to repel the Israelis out, but they lost. 4 countries against 1. I'm a Darwinist. Blame those Arab countries for being weak and not extinguishing the seed when it had the chance.

Israel successfully defended themselves because of a post-WWII arms embargo on former British mandated countries in the middle east that had been Nazi sympathetic. They had the only standing Army due to a British brigade made of primarily Jewish ancestry left over from WWII. It was basically a cake walk for them. That is part of why they declared statehood when they did, they had a advantage and wanted to press it.
 
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who cares why he wasn't there!

That someone would be concerned someone else was missing a speech really.
 
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You seem to be absent how Israel was created. Britain and the UN stole the land from those residing and gave it to Jews relocated from Europe. I would say the Arab countries were the ones acting in defense -- not Israel who backed by the West stole the land.

Much of the land was actually bought rightfully by immigrints who were funded by the Jewish National fund. The JNF was made up mostly of wealthy westerners who didn't want the poor eastern jews migrating to the west. Obviously there is much more to it than that, but your statement is factually incorrect regarding Israel in 1948.
 
Much of the land was actually bought rightfully by immigrints who were funded by the Jewish National fund. The JNF was made up mostly of wealthy westerners who didn't want the poor eastern jews migrating to the west. Obviously there is much more to it than that, but your statement is factually incorrect regarding Israel in 1948.
That's not true. the Jewish National Fund owned about 54% of the land owned by Jews, amounting to less than 4% of total land holdings in the Palestinian Mandate.
http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=410
 
There is such an UNBELIEVABLY simple way to solve all issues with foreign aid: private donations. The public is so brainwashed that when discussing foreign aid, they don't even consider they could do it themselves. This is a perfect example of the moral hazard of high-taxing interventionist government. People don't see the toll these foreign aid expenses take on Americans, or more accurately, they see it but don't understand it. They are willing to keep up-ing the ante with no regard to the financial burden. There is, as well, a toll on society's mindset on charity. People no longer have to personally deal with the problems of society nor can they financially handle them after taxation, which sets up another moral hazard where society as a whole risks the decline of the standard of living because they no longer bother to understand the consequences of a lack of private charity.

These problems apply to every other charitable type of government program. But I'm preaching to the choir.
 
There is such an UNBELIEVABLY simple way to solve all issues with foreign aid: private donations. The public is so brainwashed that when discussing foreign aid, they don't even consider they could do it themselves. This is a perfect example of the moral hazard of high-taxing interventionist government. People don't see the toll these foreign aid expenses take on Americans, or more accurately, they see it but don't understand it. They are willing to keep up-ing the ante with no regard to the financial burden. There is, as well, a toll on society's mindset on charity. People no longer have to personally deal with the problems of society nor can they financially handle them after taxation, which sets up another moral hazard where society as a whole risks the decline of the standard of living because they no longer bother to understand the consequences of a lack of private charity.

These problems apply to every other charitable type of government program. But I'm preaching to the choir.

I wish everyone could see it the way you see it.
 
That's not true. the Jewish National Fund owned about 54% of the land owned by Jews, amounting to less than 4% of total land holdings in the Palestinian Mandate.
http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=410
I wasn't aware of the exact numbers, but replace the word "much" with "some" (both subjective) and my statement is true. I did say of course there is much more to this but I have already written enough papers on the subject and don't intend to write another. I didn't say the land purchases were moral or fair. I am not taking sides in the argument, in fact I typically am of the opinion that there is no right side.
 
Israel was invaded by those 4 countries. THEY did not mount the offensive. It was a defensive response and they still held on.

While the British were still in Palestine, the Zionist paramilitary forces began to crush the Palestinian Arab armed forces in a series of civil war clashes. But, more fatefully, on April 9, 1948, the fanatical Zionist-Revisionist terrorists grouped in the organization Irgun Zvai Leumi massacred a hundred women and children in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. By the advent of Israel’s independence on May 15 the Palestinian Arabs, demoralized, were fleeing in panic from their homes and from the threat of massacre. The neighboring Arab states then sent in their troops. Historians are wont to describe the ensuing war as an invasion of Israel by the Arab states, heroically rebuffed by Israel, but since all of the fighting took place on Arab territory, this interpretation is clearly incorrect. What happened, in fact, is that Israel managed to seize large chunks of territory assigned to the Palestinian Arabs by the partition agreement, including the Arab areas of Western Galilee, Arab west-central Palestine as "corridor" to Jerusalem, and the Arab cities of Jaffa and Beersheba. The bulk of Jerusalem – the New City – was also seized by Israel and the UN internationalization plan discarded. The Arab armies were hampered by their own inefficiency and disunity and by a series of UN-imposed truces broken only long enough for Israel to occupy more Arab territory.

War Guilt in the Middle East
by Murray Rothbard
 
Can we ever get a difinitive reason why we kiss israels ass? Im just dumbfounded and cant figure it out!

Its not hard to figure out..

Every chairman of the FED for the past 40 years has been Jewish...(Bernanke, Greenspan, Volcker, Burns)

The NY Times and Washisngton Post are Jewish owned (Sulzberger, Meyer-Graham)

ABC, NBC, and CBS were all founded by Jews (Goldenson, Sarnoff, Paley)

Hollywood is more Jewish than a bar mitsvah....and 50% of all billionaires in USA are Jewish...

read the book in my signature line and you'll see.....
 
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