Beck was a second away from slamming Rand

[AuH20]

A condition they created. And one they continue to aggravate.

In 1948, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq had an opportunity to repel the Israelis out, but they lost. 4 countries against 1. I'm a Darwinist. Blame those Arab countries for being weak and not extinguishing the seed when it had the chance.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

In 1948, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq had an opportunity to repel the Israelis out, but they lost. 4 countries against 1. I'm a Darwinist. Blame those Arab countries for being weak and not extinguishing the seed when it had the chance.

Might makes right is the premise of Tim Pawlenty. Curious on your support of Ron Paul whom believes in Natural Law.

 

[angelatc]

Major facepalm. For the life of me I do not understand this Israel worship....

Neither do I. Its the most bizarre thing in the world.

 

[AuH20]

Might makes right is the premise of Tim Pawlenty. Curious on your support of Ron Paul whom believes in Natural Law.

Israel was invaded by those 4 countries. THEY did not mount the offensive. It was a defensive response and they still held on.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Israel was invaded by those 4 countries. They did not mount an offensive. It was a defensive response and they still held on.

You seem to be absent how Israel was created. Britain and the UN stole the land from those residing and gave it to Jews relocated from Europe. I would say the Arab countries were the ones acting in defense -- not Israel who backed by the West stole the land.

 

[Aliangel]

In 1948, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq had an opportunity to repel the Israelis out, but they lost. 4 countries against 1. I'm a Darwinist. Blame those Arab countries for being weak and not extinguishing the seed when it had the chance.

That is irrelevant to status quo Israel first policy which is driving us to the brink of major war, and possibly economic collapse. I must note however, our fundamental believes of Liberty and life are in contrast to this 'darwinist' theory which you speak of.

 

[AuH20]

You seem to be absent how Israel was created. Britain and the UN stole the land from those residing and gave it to Jews relocated from Europe. I would say the Arab countries were the ones acting in defense -- not Israel who backed by the West stole the land.

Um. The British created Palestine as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

And for the record, the Palestinians aren't even the indigenous people of that particular land. Basically, we have two usurpers fighting over land they have no right to.

 

[AuH20]

That is irrelevant to status quo Israel first policy which is driving us to the brink of major war, and possibly economic collapse. I must note however, our fundamental believes of Liberty and life are in contrast to this 'darwinist' theory which you speak of.

Israel deserves to exist and exercise it's sovereignty where it sees fit. Like it or not, they have successfully defended their acquired territory in the face of enormous odds. That's the fine line that is eluding many people. And let me reiterate that Israel Firstism is nonsense rooted in a theological vulnerability.

 

[TheDrakeMan]

Um. The British created Palestine as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

And for the record, the Palestinians aren't even the indigenous people of that particular land. Basically, we have two usurpers fighting over land they have no right to.

Prove that claim with anthropological, historical, linguistic, and genetic references. Evidence points to Palestinians being the descendants of the Indo-European Philistines, who later became Semiticized and Arabized heavily.

 

[AuH20]

Prove that claim with anthropological, historical, linguistic, and genetic references. Evidence points to Palestinians being the descendants of the Indo-European Philistines, who later became Semiticized and Arabized heavily.

The Phillistines originally migrated from Asia Minor and Greek locales.

 

[TheDrakeMan]

The Phillistines originally migrated from Asia Minor and Greek locales.

Obviously, they were Indo-Europeans, where else would they migrate from? They migrated from an IE region. If anything we should give the land back to Europeans.

 

[Aliangel]

Israel deserves to exist and exercise it's sovereignty where it sees fit. That's the fine line that is eluding many people. And let me reiterate that Israel Firstism is nonsense rooted in a theological vulnerability.

You can call the state of Israel by whatever name you prefer, the reality is that its existance was at the expense of hundreds of thousands of palestinian inhabitants. Given the changes that have taken place the last 60 years, advocating the destruction of the jewish people is certainly not a sane position. However, until the day that reasonable compensation is given to the palestinians in conjunction with a state based on real borders, Israel will be a liability to the United States. The issue facing us today is not that the palestinians dont want peace, but it is the continuation of illegal settelment building which have turned the idea of a 2 state solution into an absolute joke. Look at the map of today, the west bank is under occupation by the Israelis in addition to a very large number of jewish residents (as a result of settlement building).

This is state terrorism in its purest form. When you deprive a people of basic rights, and systematically conquer their lands all while pushing for a silly 2 state solution. why should we support Israel when their actions have further strengthened terrorists and given them cause to attack us here at home? When we send them money and bombs, we are weakening our national defense.

 

[AuH20]

This is state terrorism in its purest form. When you deprive a people of basic rights, and systematically conquer their lands all while pushing for a silly 2 state solution. why should we support Israel when their actions have further strengthened terrorists and given them cause to attack us here at home? When we send them money and bombs, we are weakening our national defense.

We shouldn't support Israel economically or militarily. They've grown into the strongest nation in the region. With that said, I have a hard time feeling sympathy for the passive-aggressive Palestinians, who even the Arabs secretly have no love for. Many arabs look down on the Palestinians.

 

[JCLibertarian]

Fuck Israel. America First.

How about freedom first? Fuck arbitrary borders.

 

[JohnEngland]

Major facepalm. For the life of me I do not understand this Israel worship....

Thread winner.

Neither do I. It's like all rationality evaporates from the room when Israel is mentioned.

Beck and others could agree with everything you say 100%, but then one "mistake" on Israel and boom, you're finished.

 

[JohnEngland]

How about freedom first? Fuck arbitrary borders.

"Where liberty dwells, there is my country."

- Benjamin Franklin

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

How about freedom first? Fuck arbitrary borders.

Yes, I'd like to have liberty and freedom for myself and my fellow Americans. I could care less about Israel. I fail to see how these two are not compatible, indeed, an America First policy is the only liberty-oriented Foreign Policy. Besides, you are fighting the wrong person -- If I had my druthers the State would be abolished tomorrow.

 

[JCLibertarian]

"Where liberty dwells, there is my country."

- Benjamin Franklin

I was thinking of that exact quote.

 

[JCLibertarian]

Yes, I'd like to have liberty and freedom for myself and my fellow Americans. I could care less about Israel. I fail to see how these two are not compatible, indeed, an America First policy is the only liberty-oriented Foreign Policy. Besides, you are fighting the wrong person -- If I had my druthers the State would be abolished tomorrow.

I am not fighting you, and I agree with your point on foreign policy. I just don't care much for nationalism. I want Israeli Jews as much as I do Americans from the confines of Statism to form governments and societies on a voluntary non-aggressive basis. I really don't value someone more because I happen to be within the same artificially imposed borders as them.

 

[Aliangel]

We shouldn't support Israel economically or militarily. They've grown into the strongest nation in the region. With that said, I have a hard time feeling sympathy for the passive-aggressive Palestinians, who even the Arabs secretly have no love for. Many arabs look down on the Palestinians.

There is no question in my mind that radicalism is found in many parts of the arab and muslim world. Just to give you a background on where I come from, I was born in Iraq and lived there under the rule of Saddam hussain for a significant time. I stand in firm opposition to Ideological terrorism that has not only hurt us Americans but many Arabs and Muslims in places such as Iraq and Afghanistan. just a few years ago, Iraqis were being slaughtered by the dozens each day by these same radical elements which are termed to be Muslim and fighting an Islamic holy war. What I advocate, and this resonates with the ideas of Dr. Ron Paul is that our foreign policy must not encourage terrorism. When we go to Iraq for Instance and kill over 100k civilians, you're going to see blowback no matter what the justifications are.

In the same light, our Israel policy must be fair so that we are not seen as die hard Israel supporters. likewise, the arab youth are not happy with us supporting their dictators, perhaps its a good time to change policy?