Gary Johnson Be Libertarian With Me

[GopBlackList]

I'm for Gary, you know the "liberty movement" has more branches then just Ron...Gary is not my favorite branch, but he is better then voting for a complete and utter statist like Mitt. I love Ron, so this hurts...but it must be done, the RNC has shown its true colors time and time again. Even Rand, has been corrupted by their neo con ideas...and I just can't stand for that.

I feel the same way too. I am starting to warm up to Gary Johnson and willing to give him a chance.

 

[BSU kid]

Gary Johnson supports invading Uganda. stop pretending hes libertarian.

His so called "humanitarianism" is one of many things that do turn me off from him, as well as his socially left-libertarian ideologies but he is principled... from what I can tell he wouldn't just give in to political pressures like we have seen Rand do this week. Rand really messed with my head, I mean that Hannity interview really changed my outlook on everything which has really made me open to Gary. Unless Ron announces a third party run (which will never happen), or a very organized write in campaign is held then I see Gary as the only feasible option.

 

[farreri]

I was going to be Libertarian with you Gary, even before Rand sold out!

 

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Libertarian Candidate’s New Ad Pleads: ‘Be Libertarian With Me This One Time’

by Andrew Kirell | 10:32 am, June 8th, 2012

Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson released a dark new campaign ad on Wednesday, in which the candidate pleads with members of all third parties (Green, Constitution, etc.) to “be libertarian with me this one time” so that he may prove that “peace, prosperity, and freedom” work once and for all.

“Members of all political parties,” Johnson says in the ad, “I reach out to everyone with a vote and an axe to grind. From the Tea Party, the Constitution Party, the Green and Libertarian parties, I call out to all of you, including the disaffected and disillusioned among the Republicans and Democrats.”

This is somewhat similar to the strategy libertarian-ish Republican candidate Ron Paul took in 2008, when he publicly aligned with perennial independent candidate Ralph Nader, Green candidate Cynthia McKinney, and Constitution candidate Chuck Baldwin, in an attempt to band together all third parties to promote a singular alternative to the two major parties.

“We the people will never agree on the small things,” Johnson’s ad continues, “but let’s agree on the big things: our leaders have blown it. If we don’t get control of this ship together and fix it together, we all go down with it together … Let’s put our parties and our differences aside, one time.”

“Be libertarian with me for one election,” Johnson pleads. “Together we’ll stop the spending and end the wars. Together we’ll rebuild our own roads, bridges, schools and hospitals instead of building theirs half a world away. Together we’ll restore our industrial might and our economy. And if, in four years, we the people decide we don’t like peace, prosperity, and freedom, we can always vote tyranny back into office again.”

In addition, on Friday morning, Johnson appeared on MSNBC’s The Daily Rundown, where host Chuck Todd asked the candidate if he thinks he will steal votes away from Republican candidate Mitt Romney in November.

Johnson denied that he’ll be a spoiler for the Republicans, saying that “In the states that they have polled, it’s been an absolute mixed bag. In [my home state] New Mexico, I take more votes from Obama than I do Romney. … In some states I take a few percentage points from Romney, in some states, I take a few percentage points from Obama.”

He believes he will take votes away from both parties because “the majority of Americans fall in the category of being fiscally responsibility and socially tolerant. I’m in that category. … I think I do better than Obama when it comes to civil liberties. … I think I do better than Romney when it comes to dollars and cents. And I do base that on the fact that I was a two-term governor of New Mexico, and I think I was very successful.”

Johnson does make a good point: his record as New Mexican Governor should seem remarkable to members of both parties. Republicans should like him because he vetoed more than 750 bills, never raised taxes once, and left New Mexico with a budget surplus; Democrats should like him because he’s adamantly pro-choice, anti-war, and advocates a “treatment over criminalization” method to fighting the drug war.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/libe...-pleads-be-libertarian-with-me-this-one-time/

Gary Johnson rightly points out that, if people are unhappy with their experimental Libertarianism at the end of four years, they can hustle right back to their 'D' and 'R' corners. More to the point, he says that we can always vote TYRANNY back in.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Then you shouldn't have supported and funded Amash, who voted to do so

GJ won't be propping up Israel. To assume so is foolish.

No thanks, I don't want to fund Israel's defense.

 

[matt0611]

LOL @ all the Rand haters getting on board with Gary Johnson

 

[kahless]

At this point I do not see why Gary Johnson does not have his own forum on here by now.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Then you shouldn't have supported and funded Amash, who voted to do so

GJ won't be propping up Israel. To assume so is foolish.

I didn't support or fund Amash, for that reason as well as many others. His campaign didn't rub me the right way.

And GJ has indeed said he'd prop up Israel. Look a little harder.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

LOL @ all the Rand haters getting on board with Gary Johnson

That is baffling, you've got a point there. GJ is nearly as watered down as Rand - even more so, in some areas.

 

[cheapseats]

That is baffling, you've got a point there. GJ is nearly as watered down as Rand - even more so, in some areas.

Of course, Rand has never balanced a budget . . . unless we're talking about that of a small ophthalmology practice in a virtual cow town.

Too, UNLIKE RON PAUL, Gary Johnson had the UNCOMMON COMMON SENSE to bail on the GOP, early, once it was ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that Republican Brass and Mainstream Media would collude to BLACK OUT the "libertarian leaning" Republicans. That is why pragmatic, EFFECTUAL Gary Johnson WILL be on the November ballot...and Ron Paul will not.

Are you perhaps hoping that the younger, less experienced Paul will be on the November ballot playing second fiddle to Mitt Romney?

 

[Sujan]

very impressive ad I must say.
Johnson is actually on the ballot in all 50 states, so if i could vote he will get mine.
Sure he is not perfect, but who is? And i don't buy personality cults like some do here with Paul.

 

[HardyMacia]

That is baffling, you've got a point there. GJ is nearly as watered down as Rand - even more so, in some areas.

Watered down? Johnson is proposing a balance budget in 2013 (Ron Paul's plan takes until 2015 - so Johnson's budget is actually 40% smaller than Paul's first year budget). Promising to veto all expenditures that exceed revenues. For ending all wars. For bringing our troops how. Johnson is ranked better on civil liberties than Ron Paul. Governor Johnson isn't watered down - he's just different than Ron.

 

[cheapseats]

Of course, Rand has never balanced a budget . . . unless we're talking about that of a small ophthalmology practice in a virtual cow town.

Too, UNLIKE RON PAUL, Gary Johnson had the UNCOMMON COMMON SENSE to bail on the GOP, early, once it was ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that Republican Brass and Mainstream Media would collude to BLACK OUT the "libertarian leaning" Republicans. That is why pragmatic, EFFECTUAL Gary Johnson WILL be on the November ballot...and Ron Paul will not.

Are you perhaps hoping that the younger, less experienced Paul will be on the November ballot playing second fiddle to Mitt Romney?

Do the gang-bangers of Gary Johnson recall that some of us tried and tried to get Ron Paul to do what Gary Johnson did?

Do the gang-bangers of Gary Johnson believe that Ron Paul somehow demonstrated GREATER PRINCIPLE by clinging to the Republican Party?

I GET IT...yada yada, the elaborate argument in favor of clinging to the GOP to takeover the GOP to makeover the GOP. But hel-lo-o? Setting aside the rightness or wrongness of Ron Paul's Republican strategy, IT DIDN'T WORK. And there were LOTS of signs that it wasn't working. Ron Paul STAYED THE COURSE anyway...with LOTS of encouragement from prominent Board Members & Moderators TO cling to a Par-taaay that, ON A GOOD DAY, treated Ron Paul like a red-headed stepchild.

B-b-but we ARE taking over the Party...LOOK at our several people in non-decider positions...give us another 4 or 8 or 12 or 16 years. Like OBAMA, fer cryin' out loud. Does anyone remember Barack Obama's acceptance speech? When YES WE CAN "suddenly", already, literally, became a plea for a second term: WE CAN'T DO THIS IN FOUR YEARS, BUT...

That's whatcha call MOVING THE GOAL POSTS. Generic Republican gains are a WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL than capturing the Oval Office = Corner Office = Decider Office.

So now Gary Johnson is somehow the Bad Guy?

BEST CASE, your personality cult is showing. Worst case, your PEEVISH IRRATIONAL RESENTMENT is showing.

 

[HardyMacia]

I think Paul should have dropped out of GOP race and sought the LP nomination like Johnson did so we'd have a Paul/Johnson ticket, but regardless... sticking in the GOP I think was a good move for his son's career. The GOP can be taken over from the inside and I encourage people to continue to work on doing that. But, with Rand's endorsement of Romney it's clear Paul's not getting the GOP nomination so we shift our gears for the next 5 months to get Governor Johnson elected to POTUS. This continues a very strong liberty message moving forward which a candidate with a better resume than Obama/Romney. If Johnson gets elected - great for liberty. If he doesn't then we continue to work in the trenches to move the GOP and country in the liberty direction. The Paul delegates to the national convention continue the fight in Tampa - the rest of us shift gears and get Johnson to 15% in the polls so we have a messenger of liberty on stage against Obamney.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Of course, Rand has never balanced a budget . . . unless we're talking about that of a small ophthalmology practice in a virtual cow town.

Too, UNLIKE RON PAUL, Gary Johnson had the UNCOMMON COMMON SENSE to bail on the GOP, early, once it was ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that Republican Brass and Mainstream Media would collude to BLACK OUT the "libertarian leaning" Republicans. That is why pragmatic, EFFECTUAL Gary Johnson WILL be on the November ballot...and Ron Paul will not.

Are you perhaps hoping that the younger, less experienced Paul will be on the November ballot playing second fiddle to Mitt Romney?

Look up "Ron Paul blasts Ronald Reagan" or something along those lines to see when Ron left the Republican party. He's also a lifelong member of the LP, and hasn't asked to have the party remove him from their membership roll.

And no, I'm not hoping Rand Paul is Mitt's VP. Look up my posts for my feelings on Rand endorsing that scumbag.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Watered down? Johnson is proposing a balance budget in 2013 (Ron Paul's plan takes until 2015 - so Johnson's budget is actually 40% smaller than Paul's first year budget). Promising to veto all expenditures that exceed revenues. For ending all wars. For bringing our troops how. Johnson is ranked better on civil liberties than Ron Paul. Governor Johnson isn't watered down - he's just different than Ron.

He wants to leave bases open in Afghanistan, he's for humanitarian wars, and he's cool with funding Israel's defense. Oh, and he wants to leave Gitmo open. And do you think Ron would sign off on an unbalanced budget? Please.

Also, that ACLU scorecard gave Obama 16 torches to Paul's 18, to Johnson's 21. Forgive me if I don't take seriously a scorecard that rates Obama as being solid on civil liberties. Especially when Ron got like 2 out of 4 for opposing torture.

 

[Vanilluxe]

Johnson has a good point, we could just try him for one election and if we don't like it, we could always have tyranny back again.

 

[W_BRANDON]

I just started a thread about Gary Johnson. I said Ron Paul lost the nomination (which he conceded tonight) and I said he ought to endorse Gary Johnson.

The mods deleted it.

This forum is crazy. You guys have fallen for the same cult of personality you despise in neocon voters. Support the libertarian who is actually still trying to be president and will be on the ballot in all 50 states this year.

Probably because there were 10 other threads exactly the same.

 

[cheapseats]

Look up "Ron Paul blasts Ronald Reagan" or something along those lines to see when Ron left the Republican party.

I appreciate that Ron Paul is the "right kind of Republican", but he IS a Republican.

B-b-b-but he...

SAVE IT. He left the Republican Party, then he went back. Some people DO get back together after breakups. Some people DON'T.

He's also a lifelong member of the LP, and hasn't asked to have the party remove him from their membership roll.

I'd say "this goes without saying", but apparently it does not. RON PAUL'S REPUBLICAN PARTY AFFILIATION OBVIOUSLY TRUMPS HIS LIBERTARIAN PARTY AFFILIATION, AS EVIDENCED BY A SECOND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL BID...RATHER THAN A SECOND LIBERTARIAN BID.

This is Ron Paul's THIRD presidential bid, yes? Yes. He elected to make his third bid for the presidency as a REPUBLICAN, yes? Yes.

 

[Travlyr]

Will the real Gary Johnson please Stand Up!