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This would damage credibility of Obama who is known to his supporters as a very honest man.


Monday, May 11, 2015 09:51 AM EST

Everything we know about the death of Osama Bin Laden is wrong

Everything you know about Osama bin Laden’s killing is wrong.
That’s the short version of a very long Seymour Hersh story, just published in the London Review of Books, which offers an alternative narrative of the killing of Bin Laden in 2011.

The slightly longer version is that two key Pakistani officials, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, chief of the army staff, and General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, director general of the Pakistan’s intelligence service, were in on the operation to kill Bin Laden and ensured U.S. helicopters could travel safely across the border from Afghanistan into airspace over key Pakistani security facilities. They did so, Hersh’s story goes, in exchange for both personal bribes and a resumption of US military funding to Pakistan.

a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer actually approached the CIA station chief in Pakistan’s capital Islamabad, to offer up Bin Laden in exchange for part of the $25 million reward the U.S. offered. That source told the CIA that Bin Laden had been held captive by Pakistan’s intelligence service since 2006 as a kind of insurance policy against the Taliban. After that source went to the CIA, they did a series of checks, including obtaining DNA from a Pakistani doctor who was caring for the aging Bin Laden. It checked out. The U.S. decided to pursue Bin Laden, which is when they started bribing the Pakistanis to make it possible.

The plan called for a stealth raid of the Abottabad compound, conducted with the assistance of Pakistan’s intelligence service, the ISI, which would assure that the Pakistani military did not interfere with the two Black Hawk helicopters after they crossed the border from Afghanistan. The raid would be conducted in secret, and remain a secret; the official story would be that Bin Laden was killed in a drone strike in tribal lands. However, on the night of the raid, things started to go haywire when the Navy SEALs crashed their helicopter, making it impossible to later tell the pre-arranged cover story. Rather than keeping the operation secret for some time until telling that cover story, the Obama administration immediately began spinning the raid to its political benefit. Subsequently, according to Hersh, the government had to come up with one story after another to cover holes in the previous ones. The foregrounding of torture in the pursuit in Bin Laden, according to this version of events, came when CIA old-timers were brought in to help craft yet more cover stories — and they decided to give it a spin that would help CIA avoid accountability for its torture program.
In short, as Hersh tells it, we’ve been told cover story after cover story after cover story.
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http://www.salon.com/2015/05/11/everything_we_know_about_the_death_of_osama_bin_laden_is_wrong/

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden


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If US Press is free, why it never reported source of fake Osama photos?

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May 4th, 2011
4 years ago
Senators misled by likely fake bin Laden photos
Washington (CNN) – Several senators said Wednesday they had seen a photograph of Osama bin Laden after he was shot, describing it to reporters and using it to help form their opinion on whether or not President Obama should release pictures of the dead terrorist. Now, on a day when fake photographs of a dead bin Laden are flying around the internet, those senators say they cannot be sure whether what they saw and talked to reporters about was real.
Senator Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told CNN and other news organizations Wednesday morning he had seen photos. He described them as "what you would expect from somebody who's been shot in the head. It's not pretty."


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The legislature should just pass a bill deciding what the truth is. That's a thing now right?

I mean Obama says they are "baseless assertions".

By the way, Obama. You threw the freakin' body in the ocean. Made independent analysis kind of tough Mr. Corleone.
 
Let's wait till all the facts come out and all investigations are completed.
But it appears decision already made that cover story will be the truth, only decision may be to pick which cover story is most fruitful politically.
 
Libs..who loved Hersch when he was investigating Abu Graib are now turning on him because of this article.
 
The White House and Pentagon on Monday adamantly rejected a report claiming the Obama administration lied about multiple aspects of the Usama bin Laden raid.

Journalist Seymour Hersh made the allegations in a lengthy article for the London Review of Books. Among other charges, Hersh wrote that top Pakistani military leaders were informed of the U.S. mission in advance and helped facilitate it, despite repeated claims to the contrary.

Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren pushed back on the story, in a briefing with reporters.

"This article appears to be largely a fabrication," Warren said.

Of the claim that Pakistan was involved in advance of the raid, Warren said: "It was a unilateral action."

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest also said he's not aware of any facts being withheld.

"The Obama White House is not the only one to observe that the story is riddled with inaccuracies and outright falsehoods," Earnest said, citing recent criticism from other observers. "No one here is particularly concerned about it."

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...port-claiming-govt-lied-about-bin-laden-raid/
 
CPUd said:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...port-claiming-govt-lied-about-bin-laden-raid/
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Not long ago Obama was adamant that CIA agent Raymond Davis was "our dpilomat", did you believe him then?

President Barack Obama: Pakistan Should Honor Immunity for 'Our Diplomat'

Feb. 15, 2011
By JAKE TAPPER and LEE FERRAN
ABCNEWS.com
President Barack Obama for the first time today stepped into the international firestorm surrounding the U.S. official accused of shooting two men in Pakistan, calling Raymond Davis "our diplomat" and urging his release on the grounds of diplomatic immunity.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/raymo...barack-obama-urges-pakistan/story?id=12922282



This CIA agent is no diplomat
Craig Murray The US says Raymond Davis should have immunity in Pakistan. Just another attempt to flout the rule of law outside its borders

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I tread with some caution in discussing the case of Raymond Davis, the CIA agent facing charges of double murder in Pakistan and the threat of the death penalty. I add my plea to the voices urging the Pakistani government to ensure Davis does not hang.
But one thing I can state for certain: Davis (as we will call him for now) is not a diplomat and does not possess diplomatic immunity. There is some doubt as to who he really is, with the charges against him in Pakistan including one that he obtained documents using a false identity.

Watching Barack Obama's presidency has been a stream of bitter disappointments. His endorsement of Davis as "our diplomat" and invocation of the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations was, in its sheer dishonesty, as sad an Obama moment as any.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/21/raymond-davis-cia-agent-pakistan
 
The Killing of Osama bin Laden: Seymour M. Hersh’s Most Important Article

Michael S. Rozeff

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blo...aden-seymour-m-hershs-most-important-article/

Seymour M. Hersh has published a blockbuster article on events surrounding bin Laden’s life and death in Pakistan. You need to know that ISI is Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence. Here are a few of the revelations.

1. Bin Laden hid in the Hindu Kush mountains between 2001-2006. Payoffs by the ISI to informants led to his discovery. After 2006, the ISI seized him and placed him in the compound at Abbottabad where he was murdered by the American team. They supplied him with a doctor, Amir Aziz, and kept tabs on him. Bin Laden was under constant ISI observation. The ISI has a covert base 15 minutes away by helicopter. In addition, a Pakistan army battalion headquarters is about a mile away.

2. Bin Laden was very ill, an invalid. Saudi Arabia financed bin Laden’s upkeep. Both the ISI and Saudis had good reasons to keep this information from the Americans. The ISI wanted a quid pro quo from the U.S. They also held a stick against the Saudis. The Saudis didn’t want the U.S. to know because then they’d pressure Pakistan to get bin Laden to reveal the money links between the Saudi’s large scale support of al Qaeda. The Saudis also had a stick. If they did reveal Pakistan’s knowledge of bin Laden, this would cause a political furor and interrupt the large U.S. aid to Pakistan and to the ISI in particular.

3. The ISI knew every detail of the proposed raid and influenced its shape and form. They required bin Laden to be slain. This was to prevent him from talking and revealing the Pakistani role in hiding him.

4. The U.S. learned of bin Laden’s whereabouts from a walk-in in August 2010, a man who tipped the CIA off, in order to get the large $25 million reward. He was a former senior ISI intelligence officer.

5. The U.S. turned off the money spigot to Pakistan to get the ISI to agree to the raid without any interference from Pakistan’s defense systems or military.

6. The ISI used bin Laden as a hostage in order to influence al Qaeda and Taliban operations. The ISI wanted to prevent operations against its interests.

7. The story of bin Laden going for an AK-47 is a fabrication. He was murdered. The team going in knew that it would be a homicide. There was no firefight. There was no armed resistance of any kind. The assassins were guided to his room and murdered him and not just with one or two bullets.

8. The White House account of the entire episode is riddled with one lie after another. There was, for example, no treasure trove of computers or documents found and taken from the compound.

9. Bin Laden’s remains were not flown to a U.S. ship and buried at sea. That story is a total fabrication. His remains, what was left after their near total destruction by gunfire, were flown to Afghanistan. Body parts were tossed into the mountains.

10. Zero Dark Thirty is fiction.
 
Peter Bergen said:
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Hersh's account of the bin Laden raid is a farrago of nonsense that is contravened by a multitude of eyewitness accounts, inconvenient facts and simple common sense.

Let's start with the claim that the only shots fired at the Abbottabad compound were the ones that killed bin Laden. That ignores the fact that two SEALs on the mission, Matt Bissonnette, author of "No Easy Day," and Robert O'Neill have publicly said that there were a number of other people killed that night, including bin Laden's two bodyguards, one of his sons and one of the bodyguard's wives. Their account is supplemented by many other U.S. officials who have spoken on the record to myself or to other journalists.

I was the only outsider to visit the Abbottabad compound where bin Laden lived before the Pakistani military demolished it. The compound was trashed, littered almost everywhere with broken glass and several areas of it were sprayed with bullet holes where the SEALS had fired at members of bin Laden's entourage and family, or in one case exchanged fire with one of his bodyguards. The evidence at the compound showed that many bullets were fired the night of bin Laden's death.

Common sense would tell you that the idea that Saudi Arabia was paying for bin Laden's expenses while he was living in Abbottabad is simply risible. Bin Laden's principal goal was the overthrow of the Saudi royal family as a result of which his Saudi citizenship was revoked as far back as 1994.

Why would the Saudis pay for the upkeep of their most mortal enemy? Indeed, why wouldn't they get their close allies, the Pakistanis, to look the other way as they sent their assassins into Pakistan to finish him off?

Common sense would also tell you that if the Pakistanis were holding bin Laden and the U.S. government had found out this fact, the easiest path for both countries would not be to launch a U.S. military raid into Pakistan but would have been to hand bin Laden over quietly to the Americans.

Indeed, the Pakistanis have done this on several occasions with a number of other al Qaeda leaders such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the operational commander of 9/11, who was handed over to U.S. custody after a raid in the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi in 2003. So too was Abu Faraj al-Libi, another key al Qaeda leader who was similarly handed over by the Pakistanis to U.S. custody two years later.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/11/opinions/bergen-bin-laden-story-a-lie/index.html
 
Well shit. And here I thought Obama was the man who ACTUALLY killed bin laden.... isn't that what the progs say? How on Earth the people of this country don't burn down every government building and lynch TPTB for what they've done over the last 100 years is a mystery.

***Note to DHS/NSA - I, in no way shape or form, intend any harm nor do I advocate the arson of government buildings. Any reference heretofore is strictly in jest***
 
Obama has more people paid to cover for him than anyone else on the planet. You will never know the truth.
 
NIU Students for Liberty said:
The general public won't care about HOW Bin Ladden's execution was carried out, only that he was killed in the first place. Justice.
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Except that Pakistan was holding him prisoner as a potential political bargaining chip with the taleban or Al Queada since 2006... ...and that Saudi Arabia was funding him and Al Queada.

Just like the 12 pages redacted from the 9/11 commission report.

Al Queada, and ISIS, are Saudi Arabian, and Saudi Arabia doesn't do anything without the tacit consent of the U.S.


also:

torture led to intelligence that killed OBL: HOAX
Vaccination program to get Bin LAden family DNA: HOAX


Now, please, Obama administration, tell us about those dead 23 seal team six members... ...and the mysterious missing black box.
 
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