Barry Goldwater Jr. changes support from Paul to Romney

[LibertyEagle]

Hehe, the problem is that we are not dealing with kids here. The republican part know exactly what we are up to and they do not like it.

Sure, they do, because not many here seem to have read Sun Tzu and believed in blasting our exact plans from the top of their lungs.

The good thing is, that the spoils belong to who shows up and not many do. Especially in local and state Republican gatherings.

So we have 4 out of 450? whoopty doo. I have been burned so badly by politics and politicians that I don't even believe true change can be achieved via the ballot box anymore. But then you wonder why I am here, why I donate and why I vote? I probably do it the same reason why I buy lottery every the jackpot reaches $200m. To win big if I ever win

It beats the hell out of 0 out of 450. Too bad you haven't been watching Rand tonight give 'em hell on the Senate floor and then you'd know why we were doing this.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The fact is, either Romney or Obama is going to be elected. I hear about the "false left-right paradigm". Its not false, that is what we have unfortunately.

When some good people say they are supporting Romney now, they prefer Romney to Obama. I mean, that makes sense. I prefer Romney to Obama, I think this country would be in better shape with him, as would the liberty movement. Obama won't sign any pro-liberty legislation, but Romney might and probably will as concessions. But I'm writing in Ron Paul.

Yet people act as if there is some great treason going on, after these people supported Ron Paul strongly during the primaries in both runs. Its not like they suddenly sold their soul to the devil. They didn't get bought off; and no offense to them, they are not important enough to be bought off. They didn't suddenly change their ideology either.

My advice is that this movement be respectful to Romney and endorse change in November like our great Ron Paul delegates did. Don't get cuddly with Romney, just make peace with him. This is NOT the ideal situation, but I prefer it to our movement becoming the LaRouche movement of the right. We have come too far for that to happen.

Hear here! To reach all of America with the message of strict Constitutionalism and start bringing them into the bigger tent of reform, we are reaching out to an unprecedented diversity of groups to grow the message and start taking over parties, legislative bodies, and government in it's entirety.

But some will sooner die than to see that tent expanded past a couple dozen purists.

The bottom line is that we will not reclaim America for the Constitution with a couple dozen purists. Love hate adore despise or view with complete apathy the political process, it is the field of battle upon which we have stood like the 300 Spartans, against the whole array of statism.

If someone wants to freak out because one of the 300 Spartans brings a squad of friends who's armor (gasp!) is made in China, then I just want to say "get stuffed." (Obviously not speaking to GeorgiaAvenger here, or I hope obviously)

Some people will focus on bringing more people into the movement, and others will focus on excluding more kinds of people away from the movement. The second group are neither our friends nor our allies, although I am certain that at least some of them do it by error rather than intent.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Everything you said were very valid points up until the last part. Romney and the establishment had their chance to make peace with us if they really wanted us on board, but instead and cheated and silenced Dr. Paul and us every step of the way.

So while I understand that those who are engaging in the political process may have to do what they have to do, but I'm going to continue to make sure people know damn why he's going to lose almost all of this now significant voting bloc because he did the exact opposite of even considering the things we stand for. They made this personal.

I agree with this also. Romney and Co had a ridiculously historic opportunity to make peace with the Paul set in Tampa, and instead decided to chew it up and spit it back into our faces. Romney lost us because of his own direct action. The broader willingness was ours in Tampa, and we were the adults in the room, he was the four year old child. So that ship has pretty much sailed.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Davy, you would have called the old man Goldwater a neocon as well.

More so, I reckon.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I know, and what Romney's group did was wrong. But acting likewise does not help us. A lot of this is about perception. I talk to people all the time, and the Ron Paul people are viewed as whiny, sore losers. People like Mark Levin were mad at the RNC rule changes. Granted, he will never support Ron Paul's ideas, but we can get support from the Tea Party and moderate bases. But they will never like this movement if we are cursing Romney till the end. Look, I talk to people that think Ron Paul supporters are closet Obama bots because they hate Romney so much.

Becoming decisively anti-Obama would help this movement make HUGE inroads within the GOP. Not so much pro-Romney, because remember much of the GOP is already holding their nose to vote for him. We just can't be anti-Romney and expect to get anywhere.

With all of this effort to get people like Massie, Bentivolio, and Stockman elected....I want to get somewhere within the GOP.

You demonstrate the establishmentarian evil more starkly by being the adult in the room and making them show themselves for the children they are. Then when the wave builds up and you step in "the adults are taking over" and the main corpus not only sticks around but grows and coalesces around the new leadership, creating a unified goal for almost the whole party, many of whom were formerly our enemies now converted into eager soldiers.

A little slower than a blitzkrieg, but one day you just magically appear in all the leadership positions and the beat goes on. None of the rending angst you see in a hostile takeover. The establishment has deeply marginalized themselves without our help (well, we handed them the rope, they could have used it for good but ended up hanging themselves), and now are kinda sitting back in wonder while Republican loyalists come to us begging for a choice for chairman to break off the establishmentarian remnant from power.

To some, it's just so much hokus pocus, but when lifelong Republican activists start lining up behind your block before you even pick a chairman candidate, it's a bit gratifying. Of course, what it is is they see the writing on the wall, we are bringing ridiculous tea party and independent blocks with us and they just want to be on the winning train...

Point being the method works. And makes for peaceful transitions unlike what has been the case in other states. I'm sorry and this may offend some, but I will stand by it: "Blessed are the peacemakers."

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The same Rank and File that booed the Golden Rule? Ha.

they are drones, they didn't even know what they were booing except 'that whitehair dude fox says wants terrists to win.' Drones don't have brains but what their accorded party leadership gives them. So if you manage to take over the party with an accord (that's a big deal) then the drones become yours, and then you get to punch the boo button when you like. Not saying it's a good thing, but it is the sad reality.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I dunno, I've had a couple of "rank and filers" come completely unglued at me for refusing to "come on in for the big win".

I mean, like screaming, within seconds of fists flying.

empty shells inflated for a decade and a half by constant fear, and living in a reality distorted by partisan rhetoric. Still plugged into the matrix, and living in an artfully crafted reality.

 

[fr33]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GunnyFreedom again.

Thank you sir for being a delegate and for speaking out during the RP delegate press conference. And for speaking the truth here.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Hehe, the problem is that we are not dealing with kids here. The republican part know exactly what we are up to and they do not like it. So we have 4 out of 450? whoopty doo. I have been burned so badly by politics and politicians that I don't even believe true change can be achieved via the ballot box anymore. But then you wonder why I am here, why I donate and why I vote? I probably do it the same reason why I buy lottery every the jackpot reaches $200m. To win big if I ever win

At least 7 of 435, and I bet there will be several happy surprises. But the stunning growth is in the State Assemblies. The problem I think you feel is that we are not moving quickly enough. I think we have done a lot in 5 years, and that our growth is at least exponential in nature. So 14 28 56 112 224 that puts us into hard majorities between 10 and 20 years? And how much will be accomplished before we make hard majorities, when it becomes clear that we are growing so powerful, and even with 20% of the vote becomes a legitimately dominant primary interest. Watch the rats abandon ship and become born again Constitutionalists -- and actually mean it -- when it means the only real way to keep their jobs.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Sure, they do, because not many here seem to have read Sun Tzu and believed in blasting our exact plans from the top of their lungs.

The good thing is, that the spoils belong to who shows up and not many do. Especially in local and state Republican gatherings.



It beats the hell out of 0 out of 450. Too bad you haven't been watching Rand tonight give 'em hell on the Senate floor and then you'd know why we were doing this.

LOL in our case there is not much sense in hiding anything. The establishment over the last 5 years has continuously marginalized themselves to the point that hardcore GOP loyalists are coming to our people in droves to stir up a chairman from our corner that everybody can get behind. Most of the disconnected power brokers have decided that it is time for the transition to the Constitutionalist wing, and we now have the opportunity to step in with a unity candidate and basically affect the model state level transition for the rest of the states to emulate. Add to that a 500% to 1000% growth in strict Constitutionalist representation in the NCGA (formerly 1 vs 169, will now be 5-10 of our sort in the NCGA) into 2013, and things are looking very up if I do say so.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GunnyFreedom again.

Thank you sir for being a delegate and for speaking out during the RP delegate press conference. And for speaking the truth here.

LOL thanks, I had no idea what to say, I was asked like 5-10 minutes before it kicked off if i wanted to do it since I was the biggest name there for Paul from NC, I agreed because I have more experience at spontaneous politicking than most. I still hadn't even thought of what I wanted to say when it came my time to speak. I just shut down and went train of thought.

I should be twiddling on my End the Fed speech right now though, I am keynoting Charlotte, and that once certainly is not train of thought...

 

[donnay]

The fact is, either Romney or Obama is going to be selected.

FIFY

 

[The Dude]

Unbelievable. I'm so done with Republicans. This party loyalty is disgusting.

 

[cajuncocoa]

they are drones, they didn't even know what they were booing except 'that whitehair dude fox says wants terrists to win.' Drones don't have brains but what their accorded party leadership gives them. So if you manage to take over the party with an accord (that's a big deal) then the drones become yours, and then you get to punch the boo button when you like. Not saying it's a good thing, but it is the sad reality.

I understand what you mean by this, but it still bothers me to be satisfied with this as a solution. Until and unless these "drones" are educated, we run the risk of losing whatever gains we make as soon as something else new and shiny comes along to catch their attention. They must be awakened and educated. Settling for the solution you propose is no solution at all...in my opinion.

 

[donnay]

I just wish for once, someone would have the courage (besides Ron Paul) to stand up and say; "I cannot in good conscience vote for either candidate. If the GOP backed the candidate I was backing, then I could stand here and proudly endorse him. Shame on you, GOP, for doing what you did!"

That, IMHO, is how you wake up the masses with no bullshit, no lies and just pure, unbridled passion to tell the truth.

 

[Brett85]

What difference does it make who he supports in the general election? He supported Ron in the primary, which is the only thing that matters. He waited to endorse Romney until after the GOP convention had taken place.

 

[cajuncocoa]

What difference does it make who he supports in the general election? He supported Ron in the primary, which is the only thing that matters. He waited to endorse Romney until after the GOP convention had taken place.

It makes no difference to anyone who isn't interested in furthering the cause of true liberty.

 

[William R]

I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Romney. He at least believes in private property.

 

[fr33]

I'm going to hold my nose and vote for Romney. He at least believes in private property.

Oh sure probably as much as Rick Perry does right?

 

[LibertyEagle]

It makes no difference to anyone who isn't interested in furthering the cause of true liberty.

He furthered the cause of liberty by supporting Dr. Paul. Twice. And he will be there again, if we run another good candidate. He has also been on the board of at least one of our grassroots endeavors in the past, that I recall.

We have no candidate in the race right now. Just because he has chosen a different course than some of us have, after Dr. Paul has lost this particular race, does not make him an enemy of liberty.

It serves no useful purpose whatsoever to alienate people like this.