barr is PRO-Interventionist Foreign Policy

[sidster]

I was pointed the page on barr's own site, dated October 10, 2007:

http://bobbarr.org/default_print.asp?pt=newsdescr&RI=890

In this writing barr calls for clandestine operations within another
country's borders to force regime change.

Positive steps could include strengthening economic and political pressure on Iran, and increased efforts to quietly but actively build on the deep base of political understanding that already exists among a large segment of the Iranian population (and including the more than one million Iranian-Americans).

That is no doubt from his CIA ties... covertly intervening with
Iran's (sovereign nation's) political system.

I wonder when will fools, who are supporting barr unconditionally,
and refuse to face facts that barr is not the the liberty candidate,
wake up and realize barr for the scum he really is!?

I keep seeing the argument that barr is at least "spreading the message"
over and over again. But I am pressed to ask what fucking message?
This seems nothing more than the neocon message. So am I to believe
that those on this site, supposed enlightened Ron Paul supporters are
blind to see through this farce? Or is it really that those on this site
calling for support for barr are in fact nothing more than insurgents into
our movement by the neocons to increase "efforts to quietly but actively
build on the deep base of political" support for barr and move us away
from Ron Paul movement?

Wake the fcuk up people!

 

[Truth Warrior]

Strike # 5,247!

 

[torchbearer]

I hope many more neocons have an enlightenment too.
We win by making more "ex-neocons".
We should accept in our new brothers!

You are intolerant. And your "perfection" will destroy the good.
If you don't welcome in the former neocons.. you have made enemies of our new members.

Is that good enough for you? I'm frankly getting tired of the higher than anyone else, purist bullshit.


Sidster and Optionstrader need to go make a lil' debate club of bunch of people who think exactly the same.
The LP has voted to be tolerant and give the benefit of the doubt.
We believe in redemption. This is how we win.

 

[sidster]

I hope many more neocons have an enlightenment too.
We win by making more "ex-neocons".
We should accept in our new brothers!

You are intolerant. And your "perfection" will destroy the good.
If you don't welcome in the former neocons.. you have made enemies of our new members.

Is that good enough for you? I'm frankly getting tired of the higher than anyone else, purist bullshit.


Sidster and Optionstrader need to go make a lil' debate club of bunch of people who think exactly the same.
The LP has voted to be tolerant and give the benefit of the doubt.
We believe in redemption. This is how we win.

Are you fucking kidding me? You think it is OK to support such a
policy? To intervene in other country's political business whenever
someone in our government finds it justified?

If the answer to that is yes, I think you are also a neocon and
should be banished from all political arena.

 

[torchbearer]

Are you fucking kidding me? You think it is OK to support such a
policy? To intervene in other country's political business whenever
someone in our government finds it justified?

If the answer to that is yes, I think you are also a neocon and
should be banished from all political arena.

Says the fascist dictator of the "freedom movement of peace and tolerance"..
banish me for working with a man who has changed his ways, and has been making that effort known for longer than the previous year.

 

[sidster]

banish me for working with a man who has changed his ways, and has been making that effort known for longer than the previous year.

How has he changed his ways? Don't just bullshit. Prove what you
say. Everyone who has seen barr for who he really is has solid tangible
proof, either voting records, or by statements he has made, this includes
what I posted above from a RECENT present.

You on the other hand have nothing to base your arguments on but "we
feel like he has changed", "we really think he is spreading the message",
... etc.

If you think we should accept (or tolerate) foreign interventionism, then
I do NOT want your kind in office. You are a neocon. You've outed yourself
and I thank you!


Edit: adding following from another thread for reference. The two
are torchbearer's friends that he says work very closely with barr:

Here are two:
Steve Dasbach - who also is a Ron Paul supporter, and is a member of this forum.
Adrien Monteleone - who is also a Ron Paul supporter, and is head the the LALP

 

[Kade]

How has he changed his ways? Don't just bullshit. Prove what you
say. Everyone who has seen barr for who he really is has solid tangible
proof, either voting records, or by statements he has made, this includes
what I posted above from a RECENT present.

You on the other hand have nothing to base your arguments on but "we
feel like he has changed", "we really think he is spreading the message",
... etc.

If you think we should accept (or tolerate) foreign interventionism, then
I do NOT want your kind in office. You are a neocon. You've outed yourself
and I thank you!

There is no proof he has changed his ways... hell, he doesn't even have a damn platform defined anywhere...

 

[ARealConservative]

the useful idiots are still active.

Barr isn't going to be president which makes this soap box stupid.

 

[votefreedomfirst]

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/com_supopp/2007_C00340190

Of course Barr is an interventionist. Why else would he fund some of the worst neocons in Congress? BTW, this was done while he sat on the Libertarian National Committee and was well past his supposed "conversion".

Ron Paul = The anti neocon
Bob Barr = neocon fundraiser

 

[Kade]

the useful idiots are still active.

Barr isn't going to be president which makes this soap box stupid.

Agreed.

Obama is going to be the next President. He will win NM, CO, IN, and MI to secure it.

I am not voting for him. I am going to ignore the political process for now, and go back to studying law, until I am ready to return and fight for my country.

But don't get me wrong... the RP supporters have me equally pissed off... they are no better.

 

[torchbearer]

How has he changed his ways? Don't just bullshit. Prove what you
say. Everyone who has seen barr for who he really is has solid tangible
proof, either voting records, or by statements he has made, this includes
what I posted above from a RECENT present.

You on the other hand have nothing to base your arguments on but "we
feel like he has changed", "we really think he is spreading the message",
... etc.

If you think we should accept (or tolerate) foreign interventionism, then
I do NOT want your kind in office. You are a neocon. You've outed yourself
and I thank you!

PM Steve Dasbach, he will have Barr's resume for the last 5 years.
In that resume you will see him working against the patriot act.
You will see him working with medical marijuana groups.
ETC.

You come onto a public forum for answers, when the most logical course would be to talk to the man himself, or like I have, talked to personal friends of mine who have worked closely with him.

Who are you voting for on the presidential ballot in november?

 

[sidster]

Who are you voting for on the presidential ballot in november?

Not Obama. Not McCain. Not barr.

 

[torchbearer]

Not Obama. Not McCain. Not barr.

Not baldwin?

 

[pahs1994]

Probably his fellow truther nut Cynthia Mckinney

 

[ARealConservative]

Agreed.

Obama is going to be the next President. He will win NM, CO, IN, and MI to secure it.

I am not voting for him. I am going to ignore the political process for now, and go back to studying law, until I am ready to return and fight for my country.

But don't get me wrong... the RP supporters have me equally pissed off... they are no better.

Anybody that sees through the two party charade is on the right track.

Arguing about nuanced positions of the various third party candidates is idiotic. We are all flopping around like fish out of water arguing which is the best direction to flop. Here's a newsflash.....fish can't survive out of water for long and nobody knows how far we are removed from the water.

so all the morons that think they are spending productive time convinving me that this third party candidate can't be trusted or that one is so much better.... Wake up you fools!

 

[torchbearer]

Probably his fellow truther nut Cynthia Mckinney

Together they will purge this country of people who don't think like they do!

 

[Kade]

Anybody that sees through the two party charade is on the right track.

Arguing about nuanced positions of the various third party candidates is idiotic. We are all flopping around like fish out of water arguing which is the best direction to flop. Here's a newsflash.....fish can't survive out of water for long and nobody knows how far we are removed from the water.

so all the morons that think they are spending productive time convinving me that this third party candidate can't be trusted or that one is so much better.... Wake up you fools!

I am going to be a fisher of men one day... mark my words. I have a wide net...

 

[torchbearer]

Anybody that sees through the two party charade is on the right track.

Arguing about nuanced positions of the various third party candidates is idiotic. We are all flopping around like fish out of water arguing which is the best direction to flop. Here's a newsflash.....fish can't survive out of water for long and nobody knows how far we are removed from the water.

so all the morons that think they are spending productive time convinving me that this third party candidate can't be trusted or that one is so much better.... Wake up you fools!

Good point.
I was hoping for a the third party candidates combined to get over 15% which would be a strong vote of no confidence and would set up a better environment for a Paul2012.

Some people can't see beyond their computer monitor.

 

[Kade]

Together they will purge this country of people who don't think like they do!

Leave them alone. I made fun of the truthers for a long time... but you know what... I'm only going after ignorant people from now... Truthers don't hurt us, they believe the government engineered the 9-11 disaster...

With the stuff that I believe caused by the Bush Administration, giving him credit for 9-11 is chump change.

 

[torchbearer]

I am going to be a fisher of men one day... mark my words. I have a wide net...

Odd to see you use religious references in the context of describing yourself.
We should all be fishers of men. That is how we build a coalition to overcome government tyranny.