Barr Campaign is in Debt!

[Conservative Christian]

He was a conservative (not that there's anything wrong with that) who ran in the Libertarian Party. The delegates compromised their principles for him and his final vote tally was pathetic. His campaign was ended with debt, he created animosity among RP supporters and hired two of the biggest assholes I know (If I ever see Shane Cory's name involved with a campaign, they've lost my support without being given a case). The Barr campaign failed terribly -- we can only hope the LP goes back to picking "radicals" if they seek to grow. Ruwart '12!

I'm not a Barr supporter, but he got a lot more votes than Badnarik did in 2004.

Barr got about 510,000 votes this election, while Badnarik only received about 397,000 four years ago.

Barr's total also surpasses both of Harry Browne's final tallies in 1996 and 2000.

I believe Barr's total is the all-time record for an LP presidential candidate.

 

[nate895]

I'm not a Barr supporter, but he got a lot more votes than Badnarik did in 2004.

Barr got about 510,000 votes this election, while Badnarik only received about 397,000 four years ago.

Barr's total also surpasses both of Harry Browne's final tallies in 1996 and 2000.

I believe Barr's total is the all-time record for an LP presidential candidate.

Ed Clark holds that record.

 

[Kludge]

1972: John Hospers and Theodora Nathan
2,691 popular votes (0.003%); 1 electoral vote;

1976: Roger MacBride and David Bergland
173,011 popular votes (0.21%)

1980: Ed Clark and David Koch
921,299 popular votes (1.1%)

1984: David Bergland and James A. Lewis
228,705 popular votes (0.25%)

1988: Ron Paul and Andre Marrou
432,179 popular votes (0.47%)

1992: Andre Marrou and Nancy Lord
291,627 popular votes (0.28%)

1996: Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen
485,798 popular votes (0.50%)

2000: Harry Browne and Art Olivier
384,431 popular votes (0.36%)

2004: Michael Badnarik and Richard Campagna
397,265 popular votes (0.34%)

2008: Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root
500,045 popular votes (0.40%)


As far as %, Barr was pretty mediocre, and a disappointment considering he was supposed to reach out to different ideologies.

 

[The_Orlonater]

1972: John Hospers and Theodora Nathan
2,691 popular votes (0.003%); 1 electoral vote;

1976: Roger MacBride and David Bergland
173,011 popular votes (0.21%)

1980: Ed Clark and David Koch
921,299 popular votes (1.1%)

1984: David Bergland and James A. Lewis
228,705 popular votes (0.25%)

1988: Ron Paul and Andre Marrou
432,179 popular votes (0.47%)

1992: Andre Marrou and Nancy Lord
291,627 popular votes (0.28%)

1996: Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen
485,798 popular votes (0.50%)

2000: Harry Browne and Art Olivier
384,431 popular votes (0.36%)

2004: Michael Badnarik and Richard Campagna
397,265 popular votes (0.34%)

2008: Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root
500,045 popular votes (0.40%)


As far as %, Barr was pretty mediocre, and a disappointment considering he was supposed to reach out to different ideologies.

We had our own civil war, a "Change" candidate, and a "Maverick" this election season. No shit Barr lost by a great amount.

 

[jeepndesert]

i think it is up to the georgia republican party to pay off his debt, not libertarians, since the bob barr campaign was a product of the georgia republican party.

 

[Kludge]

We had our own civil war, a "Change" candidate, and a "Maverick" this election season. No shit Barr lost by a great amount.

Please... Obama and McCain hardly have any differences except for their party name and perceived stance on the war and healthcare.

Former Libertarian voters aren't shallow. They check out candidates and their positions on real issues. Votes were lost to apathy after Barr's failures during the campaign or switched to Baldwin due to his campaign's attacks on Ron Paul and failure to attend RP's press conference.

Barr didn't just lose the election, he lost a lot of peoples' confidence in the Libertarian Party.

 

[jeepndesert]

He's become more of a moderate in my view. A lot of RP supporters are a bunch of morons too(Yeah, I said it), the Campaign for Liberty wasn't exactly the nicest bunch, and we failed because nobody got behind one party. Everyone knew that Barr will lose, it was to grow the party, but I guess nobody cares about the LP.

What I have to say about this is fuck everyone. I'm tired of this god damn movement. It's too circuitous, we can't all support one party or man. All except for Ron Paul. Truth Warrior is right, politics is a sociopathic cult. I rather just secede.

There are assholes in this movement too, if you didn't know.

if bob barr kept his mustache off the top of the libertarian party ticket, mary ruwart could have rallied the base and united the ron paul movement. that vote total would have broken the record with more than 1M votes (if the numbers aren't made up by diebold anyway).

no, instead he recruited delegates from the republican party (my dad knows people who were recruited at republican party meetings in georgia).

bob barr fractured the support with his stupidity and ron paul snub. his history fractured the campaign from the very beginning.

you don't nominate a johnny come lately at the top of the ticket. more than likely it is a sabotage on some level.

 

[nate895]

if bob barr kept his mustache off the top of the libertarian party ticket, mary ruwart could have rallied the base and united the ron paul movement. that vote total would have broken the record with more than 1M votes (if the numbers aren't made up by diebold anyway).

no, instead he recruited delegates from the republican party (my dad knows people who were recruited at republican party meetings in georgia).

bob barr fractured the support with his stupidity and ron paul snub. his history fractured the campaign from the very beginning.

you don't nominate a johnny come lately at the top of the ticket. more than likely it is a sabotage on some level.

Mary Ruwart would have further alienated the Libertarians from the average voter with her radical stance on child porn. Mary Ruwart is an unknown left libertarian professor from Colorado, not exactly the kind of person the average joe could rally behind.

 

[Conservative Christian]

1972: John Hospers and Theodora Nathan
2,691 popular votes (0.003%); 1 electoral vote;

1976: Roger MacBride and David Bergland
173,011 popular votes (0.21%)

1980: Ed Clark and David Koch
921,299 popular votes (1.1%)

1984: David Bergland and James A. Lewis
228,705 popular votes (0.25%)

1988: Ron Paul and Andre Marrou
432,179 popular votes (0.47%)

1992: Andre Marrou and Nancy Lord
291,627 popular votes (0.28%)

1996: Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen
485,798 popular votes (0.50%)

2000: Harry Browne and Art Olivier
384,431 popular votes (0.36%)

2004: Michael Badnarik and Richard Campagna
397,265 popular votes (0.34%)

2008: Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root
500,045 popular votes (0.40%)


As far as %, Barr was pretty mediocre, and a disappointment considering he was supposed to reach out to different ideologies.

LP candidates ALWAYS try to reach out to different ideologies, so that's not really relevant.

Based on your own figures, Barr is the second highest vote-getter in LP history, and only three men in LP history have received a higher percentage of the overall vote.

Barr would've received even more votes, if he hadn't backstabbed Ron Paul.

Also, some of your numbers are wrong. According to CBS News, Barr received almost 510,000 votes:

http://election.cbsnews.com/election2008/president.shtml


.

 

[Kludge]

Also, some of your numbers are wrong. According to CBS News, Barr received almost 510,000 votes

Aye, absentee ballots are still being counted, IIRC. Shouldn't be more than 15k addition once all done. I mention Barr trying to reach out to other ideologies because he was far more conservative than usual LP nominees. That Barr didn't gain significantly more votes for that, I believe, shows that he alienated a lot of the LP's libertarian base.




Regarding Ruwart's (who is more conservative than liberal) stance on child porn, that was manufactured by Wayne Allyn Root with help from Richard Viguerie.

 

[nate895]

Regarding Ruwart's (who is more conservative than liberal) stance on child porn, that was manufactured by Wayne Allyn Root with help from Richard Viguerie.

It was in one of her books. It still would have been ammunition regardless if it was true or not.

 

[Matt Collins]

No more free mustache rides...?

Perhaps his mustache will help him raise the funds

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[Matt Collins]

Maybe he can get a Bailout. Holla at Kash- n-Kary

i think it is up to the georgia republican party to pay off his debt, not libertarians, since the bob barr campaign was a product of the georgia republican party.

Actually it wouldn't suprise me if either the RNC or the DNC tried to pay off Barr to throw his support behind one of the other candidates to help win the Georgia race given the gravity of the election war that is ongoing.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Please... Obama and McCain hardly have any differences except for their party name and perceived stance on the war and healthcare.

Former Libertarian voters aren't shallow. They check out candidates and their positions on real issues. Votes were lost to apathy after Barr's failures during the campaign or switched to Baldwin due to his campaign's attacks on Ron Paul and failure to attend RP's press conference.

Barr didn't just lose the election, he lost a lot of peoples' confidence in the Libertarian Party.

So? It was an attempt to bring in new people. Just because the candidate isn't as "radical" that doesn't mean it's bad. What are you going to do? Keep the trend of the same voters? In my view, we should get a few not so "radical" libertarians and while doing that, get more newer people involved in the LP, and then educate them further and turn them into more "radical" libertarians. In my view, everyone failed. You old LP people failed by not listening to this idea and not caring about bringing new people in. Gradualism is tough, but it can be done.

Since you fools wanted to fail and next election you'll get .5-.4% of the vote, AGAIN! We might as well fight to secede. That will show those cocksuckers in D.C. and the rest of the U.S. how pissed off we are.

We all failed, don't point your fucking fingers.

 

[libertarian4321]

Perhaps his mustache will help him raise the funds

Mustache rides: $10?

Oh, the horror...

 

[The_Orlonater]

What the hell is with the facial hair prejudice?

 

[ihsv]

If a candidate can't keep his own campaign debt-free, that doesn't bode well for how he would handle the national budget if elected POTUS.

He should make a phone call or two to his buddies in the CIA and see what they can drum up for him. Gotta be a black project somewhere they can siphon a few bucks out of.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Aye, absentee ballots are still being counted, IIRC. Shouldn't be more than 15k addition once all done. I mention Barr trying to reach out to other ideologies because he was far more conservative than usual LP nominees. That Barr didn't gain significantly more votes for that, I believe, shows that he alienated a lot of the LP's libertarian base. Regarding Ruwart's (who is more conservative than liberal) stance on child porn, that was manufactured by Wayne Allyn Root with help from Richard Viguerie.

Actually, Barr received over 28% more votes than Badnarik did in 2004, and his percentage of the overall vote was also greater than Badnarik's.

Judging by the numbers, Barr didn't hurt the Libertarian Party at all. Nor did he really help it. His overall percentage of the vote is right in line with Ron Paul's in 1988.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that not many conservatives are going to vote Libertarian, in light of the LP platform's position in favor of open borders. A position that aligns the LP with the New World Order.

 

[RideTheDirt]

1972: John Hospers and Theodora Nathan
2,691 popular votes (0.003%); 1 electoral vote;

1976: Roger MacBride and David Bergland
173,011 popular votes (0.21%)

1980: Ed Clark and David Koch
921,299 popular votes (1.1%)

1984: David Bergland and James A. Lewis
228,705 popular votes (0.25%)

1988: Ron Paul and Andre Marrou
432,179 popular votes (0.47%)

1992: Andre Marrou and Nancy Lord
291,627 popular votes (0.28%)

1996: Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen
485,798 popular votes (0.50%)

2000: Harry Browne and Art Olivier
384,431 popular votes (0.36%)

2004: Michael Badnarik and Richard Campagna
397,265 popular votes (0.34%)

2008: Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root
500,045 popular votes (0.40%)


As far as %, Barr was pretty mediocre, and a disappointment considering he was supposed to reach out to different ideologies.

hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Paul got a higher percentage!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[AdamT]

Put a Ron Paul slim jim in the return envelope and send it back! (seriously)

LOL I can't tell you how many times I did that when McCain would send mailers.