Barr Campaign is in Debt!

[FindLiberty]

This black hole funding situation is the reason I suggested that Bob Barr head up the cia in the new Obama administration.

 

[jeepndesert]

Ed Clark holds that record.

Mary Ruwart would have broken that record.

 

[jeepndesert]

So?

yes, and that is why you are spending all your time arguing with people who didn't vote for bob barr who normally would vote libertarian. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

 

[jeepndesert]

Barr's total also surpasses both of Harry Browne's final tallies in 1996 and 2000.

harry browne had a higher percentage of the votes than cia bob barr.

the million ron paul votes would have gone to mary ruwart and would have more than doubled the bob barr vote totals because mary ruwart wouldn't have lost a large number of loyal libertarian votes either.

running bob barr was the dumbest thing the libertarian party has ever done. rob kampia is a pot head and steve dasbach acted like the democrat he use to be. of course i don't blame all the delegates, just the hired republican delegation from georgia and california.

 

[The_Orlonater]

yes, and that is why you are spending all your time arguing with people who didn't vote for bob barr who normally would vote libertarian. 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

Cool, you cut off what else I said.

Doesn't matter I don't care anymore. Good luck trying to build up the GOP.

 

[Conservative Christian]

harry browne had a higher percentage of the votes than cia bob barr.

2000: Harry Browne and Art Olivier
384,431 popular votes (0.36%)

2004: Michael Badnarik and Richard Campagna
397,265 popular votes (0.34%)

2008: Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root
500,045 popular votes (0.40%)

Since when is .36% higher than .40%?! I would strenuously suggest you brush up on your basic arithmetic.

the million ron paul votes would have gone to mary ruwart and would have more than doubled the bob barr vote totals because mary ruwart wouldn't have lost a large number of loyal libertarian votes either.

running bob barr was the dumbest thing the libertarian party has ever done. rob kampia is a pot head and steve dasbach acted like the democrat he use to be. of course i don't blame all the delegates, just the hired republican delegation from georgia and california.

SHEER SPECULATION on your part. Even IF you were correct, the LP STILL would've LOST by TENS OF MILLIONS of votes.

So your little numbers game is totally irrelevant.

 

[Kludge]

2000: Harry Browne and Art Olivier
384,431 popular votes (0.36%)

2004: Michael Badnarik and Richard Campagna
397,265 popular votes (0.34%)

2008: Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root
500,045 popular votes (0.40%)

Since when is .36% higher than .40%?! I would strenuously suggest you brush up on your basic arithmetic.

1996: Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen
485,798 popular votes (0.50%)

 

[Conservative Christian]

1996: Harry Browne and Jo Jorgensen
485,798 popular votes (0.50%)

That was 1996, which would be LESS relevant than Browne's MOST RECENT 2000 showing.

All your post proves is that Browne LOST GROUND between 1996 and 2000, and he's a TRUE BLUE libertarian.

So much for the LP trying to blame their poor showing on Barr, when Harry "TRUE BLUE" Browne LOST GROUND in 2000.

I'd be much obliged if you guys would start posting something RELEVANT.

 

[Kludge]

So much for the LP trying to blame their poor showing on Barr

You're misconstruing the argument. It isn't that Barr is being blamed for the low % of the LP in the G.E. this year, it's that Barr and his campaign promised record-breaking numbers. Especially pre-LNC, Barr supporters often claimed that his conservative leanings would allow the LP to branch out and bring in huge numbers of disillusioned voters, which obviously didn't happen.

Barr had a poor showing considering how confident they were during the campaign and how many assurances were made before the G.E. campaign.

 

[klamath]

harry browne had a higher percentage of the votes than cia bob barr.

the million ron paul votes would have gone to mary ruwart and would have more than doubled the bob barr vote totals because mary ruwart wouldn't have lost a large number of loyal libertarian votes either.

running bob barr was the dumbest thing the libertarian party has ever done. rob kampia is a pot head and steve dasbach acted like the democrat he use to be. of course i don't blame all the delegates, just the hired republican delegation from georgia and california.

Million minus 1 for sure. I can do without the "it is ok to have sex with kids candidate".

 

[slacker921]

....the million ron paul votes would have gone to mary ruwart and would have more than doubled the bob barr vote totals because mary ruwart wouldn't have lost a large number of loyal libertarian votes either.

Ruwart would have been a non-event. She wouldn't have been on the news outlets and wouldn't have had all the articles in major papers that Barr was able to get. She wouldn't have raised much more money.. the Paul votes would still have been split between "write in", Baldwin, Obama, and McCain... because Ron Paul would not have endorsed her early enough to do any good (because he would have waited to see if he was allowed to speak at the RNC..).

In the end she probably would have gotten the same .25% - .5% vote that the Libertarians typically get largely from people voting a "protest" vote.

Barr screwed up in a HUGE way by pissing away the Ron Paul vote, but in the end he failed to win the average voter and that's far more important. Pissing away 500,000 votes is not such a big deal when you need 40,000,000.

 

[Kludge]

Pissing away 500,000 votes is not such a big deal when you need 40,000,000.

It is when 1% (and 2,3,4, etc) gets the LP automatic ballot access on a few states. By the time a third party finished trying to get ballot access, it has already spent much of its time and money.

Paul supporters + a few months to grab others may have taken that coveted 1%.

 

[Conservative Christian]

It is when 1% (and 2,3,4, etc) gets the LP automatic ballot access on a few states. By the time a third party finished trying to get ballot access, it has already spent much of its time and money.

Paul supporters + a few months to grab others may have taken that coveted 1%.

Quit crying over spilled milk!

Barr GOT automatic ballot access for 2012 in my state! He did BETTER than the last TWO LP presidential campaigns, including Harry "True Blue" Browne, whose 2000 showing was PATHETIC.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that very few mainstream Conservatives, Republicans and Christians were going to vote LP---when McCain, the RNC and the lamestream news media had them all scared to death of "The Great Satan" Obama.

Barr performed EXACTLY as I expected. Anybody expecting much out of ANY third party in such a bitterly contested race between the Democrats and Repubs, was quite simply naive.

Anybody with a functional IQ above plant life should have known that the mainstream Repubs/Conservatives/Christians were going to FLOCK to McCain, purely out of sheer dread of Obama and a mindless "lesser of two evils" philosophy.

 

[Kludge]

Barr and his pre-LNC supporters failed to pull through. The overall sentiments regarding Barr's campaign will affect the outcome of the next LNC. It needs to be known that bringing in marginal amounts of new voters (depending on your interpretation of the results) is not worth sacrificing principles. Delegates in particular need to know this. I know a few who sacrificed their beliefs because they thought Barr would (as assured) bring the LP into the mainstream or at least take a significant number of votes. This cannot happen again. Libertarians had to hold their nose to vote for an insignificant party. There's no need for that.

Conservatives ought to either work in the GOP or form their own third party if they're that interested in political ineffectiveness. The same goes for Gravel, whose appearance in the LP debates was offensive.

Quit crying over spilled milk!

Barr GOT automatic ballot access for 2012 in my state! He did BETTER than the last TWO LP presidential campaigns, including Harry "True Blue" Browne, whose 2000 showing was PATHETIC.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that very few mainstream Conservatives, Republicans and Christians were going to vote LP---when McCain, the RNC and the lamestream news media had them all scared to death of "The Great Satan" Obama.

Barr performed EXACTLY as I expected. Anybody expecting much out of ANY third party in such a bitterly contested race between the Democrats and Repubs, was quite simply naive.

Anybody with a functional IQ above plant life should have known that the mainstream Repubs/Conservatives/Christians were going to FLOCK to McCain, purely out of sheer dread of Obama and a mindless "lesser of two evils" philosophy.

You're misconstruing the argument. It isn't that Barr is being blamed for the low % of the LP in the G.E. this year, it's that Barr and his campaign promised record-breaking numbers. Especially pre-LNC, Barr supporters often claimed that his conservative leanings would allow the LP to branch out and bring in huge numbers of disillusioned voters, which obviously didn't happen.

Barr had a poor showing considering how confident they were during the campaign and how many assurances were made before the G.E. campaign.

 

[Conservative Christian]

Barr and his pre-LNC supporters failed to pull through. The overall sentiments regarding Barr's campaign will affect the outcome of the next LNC. It needs to be known that bringing in marginal amounts of new voters (depending on your interpretation of the results) is not worth sacrificing principles. Delegates in particular need to know this. I know a few who sacrificed their beliefs because they thought Barr would (as assured) bring the LP into the mainstream or at least take a significant number of votes. This cannot happen again. Libertarians had to hold their nose to vote for an insignificant party. There's no need for that.

Conservatives ought to either work in the GOP or form their own third party if they're that interested in political ineffectiveness. The same goes for Gravel, whose appearance in the LP debates was offensive.

Quit trying to blame Barr for the USUAL lackluster LP presidential results.

Barr did NOTICEABLY BETTER than Harry "True Blue" Browne's PATHETIC 2000 showing.

As far as gaining ballot access for 2012, 2008 was apparently a RECORD year for the LP. Certainly MUCH better than "True Blue" Browne's dismal results in 2000.

One of the core victories for the Libertarian Party in 2008 was the retention of ballot access status in eight states across the United States.

http://www.lp.org/blogs/andrew-davis/the-time-is-now

Don't blame conservatives for the fact that LIBERTARIANS voted for and approved Barr's candidacy.

Ruwart would've been an ABSOLUTE DISASTER, from a votes, ballot access and fund-raising perspective.

 

[Kludge]

Quit trying to blame Barr for the USUAL lackluster LP presidential results.

I'm done talking to you. You're set on arguing a strawman you created. I've stated twice that the argument isn't that Barr pulled lower-than usual numbers. If you'd like to argue your own case on something which hasn't been brought up, I'm afraid that you'll have to talk to yourself less subtly henceforth.

 

[Conservative Christian]

I'm done talking to you. You're set on arguing a strawman you created. I've stated twice that the argument isn't that Barr pulled lower-than usual numbers. If you'd like to argue your own case on something which hasn't been brought up, I'm afraid that you'll have to talk to yourself less subtly henceforth.

You're the only one setting up straw men---i.e. Barr and Conservatives---in a failed attempt to blame them for perceived LP shortcomings this election.

Thankfully, the national LP is a lot more upbeat than the "Sore Losers" club.

According to the national LP website, 2008 was a record year for retaining ballot access, and an excellent year for both new members and fund raising.

So if you wish to keep pointing fingers of blame and complaining about the glass being half-empty, by all means feel free.

 

[jeepndesert]

Don't blame conservatives for the fact that LIBERTARIANS voted for and approved Barr's candidacy.

Ruwart would've been an ABSOLUTE DISASTER, from a votes, ballot access and fund-raising perspective.

Ruwart wouldn't have been in campaign debt and would have raised more than Harry Browne, which was more than Bob Barr, thanks to the Ron Paul movement. People would have volunteered to work on the campaign. People would have freely donated to the campaign.

In fact, a Mary Ruwart would have raised $1,000,000 rather than the $10,000 Bob Barr was able raise with a money bomb because Mary Ruwart was a trusted champion of Liberty, like Ron Paul. It would have energized the campaign to where the media couldn't completely ignore it.

Mary Ruwart would have gotten over 1M votes and beat Ralph Nader because she would have united the Ron Paul movement, with or without the press, because there is the Internet and because she is a true champion of liberty, like Ron Paul.

I didn't campaign for Bob Barr on the Internet because everyone was quick to point out he was CIA and voted for the Patriot Act, among other things. He was no Ron Paul. He had a negative history.

Mary Ruwart does not have a negative history. She is a Ron Paul. She is a champion for liberty.

Then, there was the Ron Paul snub. And as it was expected back in the 90s, it was confirmed that Bob Barr was either a complete retard or was out to prevent the Libertarian Party from growing significantly at the expense of the GOP.

 

[jeepndesert]

Quit crying over spilled milk!

Barr GOT automatic ballot access for 2012 in my state! He did BETTER than the last TWO LP presidential campaigns, including Harry "True Blue" Browne, whose 2000 showing was PATHETIC.

Mary Ruwart would have secured automatic ballot access. Not only that, she would have doubled Bob Barr's votes because Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters would actually have voted for Mary Ruwart.

I estimate more than 200,000 write-in votes for Ron Paul that would have gone to Mary Ruwart if she was the candidate. And that doesn't count the number of Libertarians who stayed home or voted for Nader or other candidates because Bob Barr was the ticket.

Only reason why Bob Barr got more votes than Harry Browne is because that many more people hated the other choices.

Bob Barr prevented a record-breaking year for the Libertarian Party.

 

[Cowlesy]

Rounding errors for the win!---I think!