Bannon, basically: Trump’s campaign was a fraud

[AuH20]

 

[r3volution 3.0]

It sounds like Bannon, who will return to Breitbart News, will pin the blame on everyone around the president, rather than the man himself.

They've been doing that from day 1.

The question is whether the voters who put Trump in the Oval Office will be so charitable.

"Gullible" would be more apt, but, in any event, yes, Trump's base will gobble up any nonsense they're fed.

The much larger, floating middle of the GOP will hopefully wise up (already have to some extent, see approval numbers).

 

[uncharted]

Ohio Gang? Anyone?

 

[JustinTime]

Not a fraud, he cant fulfill any campaign promises because nearly all the politicians, and corporate owned media as well, have aligned against him and blocking him at every turn.

That's how I know he is the real deal. Buffoonish, I admit, but if he were really as evil as he is made out to be, he wouldn't be made out to be that way.

 

[JustinTime]

The much larger, floating middle of the GOP will hopefully wise up (already have to some extent, see approval numbers).

Yes, and go back to the warmongering, murderous Bush family, or someone like them. Very wise of 'em.

 

[JustinTime]

LOL. Bannon did not say any such thing.

There is a disturbing trend that I've noticed being on the uptick for awhile.

Ive read several stories this weekend making it appear that Bannon and Trump are now at odds, or that Bannon had "declared war" on Trump. When I watched video of what Bannon actually said I realized these stories were shameless lies.

I suspect its being done to drive a wedge between Breitbarters and Trump.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Yes, and go back to the warmongering, murderous Bush family, or someone like them. Very wise of 'em.

If libertarians don't offer them a good alternative, that's what will happen, yes.

The thing is is cool, we were beating the Bushites like a drum before nationalism reared its ugly head.

I'm confident that with Trump out, embarrassed, and his movement in tatters, we'll do so again.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The Swamp won.

Color me shocked.

 

[JustinTime]

If libertarians don't offer them a good alternative, that's what will happen, yes.

The thing is is cool, we were beating the Bushites like a drum before nationalism reared its ugly head.

You were?

I'm confident that with Trump out, embarrassed, and his movement in tatters, we'll do so again.

Libertarians would be better off working within Trump's coalition to accomplish libertarian goals than jumping in with leftist socialists and crony capitalists neocons of the Est. GOP. That's like siding with the sharks to drown the lifeguard who kicked a little sand in your face when you were on the beach.

And whats the problem with nationalism?

 

[JustinTime]

That was the Business Advisory Group- they were leaving in droves this week. This was a separate group. It was supposed to be the topic of discussion before Trump went off script and got into the Charlotville Protests. He had a huge, beautiful chart all ready to go.

A) Trump was 100% right about Charlottesville, he blamed both sides, I'm thrilled to hear a president do that.

B) He is probably better off without this "advisory group" of corporate vultures with their hands out, wanting special deals in exchange for "good economic news" photo ops and all. Just be happy they are gone.

 

[Zippyjuan]

A) Trump was 100% right about Charlottesville, he blamed both sides, I'm thrilled to hear a president do that.

B) He is probably better off without this "advisory group" of corporate vultures with their hands out, wanting special deals in exchange for "good economic news" photo ops and all. Just be happy they are gone.

Trump promised he would give help to businesses. He asked for the committees to be formed. The "infrastructure" group was created by one of his Executive Orders.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump promised he would give help to businesses. He asked for the committees to be formed.

He shouldn't have.

 

[devil21]

Not a fraud, he cant fulfill any campaign promises because nearly all the politicians, and corporate owned media as well, have aligned against him and blocking him at every turn.

That's how I know he is the real deal. Buffoonish, I admit, but if he were really as evil as he is made out to be, he wouldn't be made out to be that way.

 

[milgram]

his actual default position is the position of his base, the position that got him elected

For this reason his campaign was not a fraud.
While he hasn't accomplished very many of his big goals, I would not call that fraudulent unless he never actually believed in the positions that won him the election.

Still he never should have endorsed McCain over Ward.

 

[Schifference]

So what would have been the difference if we had achieved our goal of a Ron Paul presidency. Granted Ron was respected and diplomatic but, he voted alone and failed to achieve any real change in Washington. He fought but never won as a congressman. He gained a loyal base.

If Ron Paul were president would he have been able to change government or would all the Republicans that never voted with him still not vote with him?

A huge locomotive traveling down a mountain pass will not be stopped by one lone pair of working brake shoes.

Please do not interpret what I have said into something I do not mean. I think Ron Paul's ideals are wonderful and think he is a true patriot. The problem is when you are the only patriot others in power do not share your patriotism.

Looking back over the past decade I would think that only a politician that has or can gain support from others will succeed. It is great to see someone grandstanding against the media but that is not what gets things done in the oval office. Trump is to radical and impulsive. He has alienated himself from everyone. We need a moral diplomat that demands and deserves respect. Someone that will abide by the law and work to change it with the support of his colleagues. The most capable person in my opinion to be president in this day and age would be someone like Trey Gowdy.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

This thread is, basically, a fraud.

 

[Champ]

If Ron Paul were president would he have been able to change government or would all the Republicans that never voted with him still not vote with him?

This thought has crossed my mind a lot often in recent months. Short answer to it would be, no, he wouldn't have been able to achieve almost anything assuming he was not assassinated before inauguration. We have insight into this now to some degree because of the Trump show. The countless amount of games, media tricks, deep state tactics, identity virtue signaling, and the reliance on an uneducated populace have made it largely impossible to do much of anything. Bannon admitted as much recently, and we have seen Trump unable to work with a bought out and paid for Congress or a litany of corrupt judges that put their own leftist ideologies first above the constitution.

Trump actually thought he could work with neocons, leftists, and deep staters that believe in nothing except maintaining power by extending some half assed olive branch. He held his tongue on Paul Ryan and others after ripping them for years during the election. He brought in all sorts of neocons, bankers, and allowed Obama holdovers to stay indefinitely. He was less interested in principles and more interested in generating an operating cabinet that could achieve his nationalistic goals through compromise and acting like some kind of deal maker. It didn't work at all. They still want him gone or dead, whatever comes first. He is dealing with people that have no interest in getting along, they only want people to join them if they are useful and discard any opposition. Trump has not recognized this even after they have discarded most of the nationalists that he had. He still hasn't recognized this or he is playing coy to maintain his base. We'll see.

Ron Paul stands firmly on his principles. He would not have lined his cabinet like this at all. He would not have worked with them like Trump attempted to. He would not have worked with the deep state, which would have been a quick ticket to nationwide villainy and 24/7 baseless attacks by the deep state influenced/operated media. He has stated this many times throughout countless interviews he would not play ball like that and that's why he was often the only "No" vote. On the contrary Rand does play ball, he plays the game and tries to achieve liberty through this game. A Rand presidency may have seen more similarities to Trump than Ron's would have. Ron has stated this is the biggest disagreement between himself and his son, but ultimately they believe in the same principles. Ron wasn't interested in getting along or playing games, he was interested only in following the constitution and exposing people to liberty.

We will know more soon, but it's still early into this presidency and there are already plenty of clues to answer some of these questions.

 

[acptulsa]

This thread is, basically, a fraud.

Well, the thread title is fraudulent enough. No doubt that's why the Zippy Account picked it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So what would have been the difference if we had achieved our goal of a Ron Paul presidency. Granted Ron was respected and diplomatic but, he voted alone and failed to achieve any real change in Washington. He fought but never won as a congressman. He gained a loyal base.

If Ron Paul were president would he have been able to change government or would all the Republicans that never voted with him still not vote with him?

A huge locomotive traveling down a mountain pass will not be stopped by one lone pair of working brake shoes.

Please do not interpret what I have said into something I do not mean. I think Ron Paul's ideals are wonderful and think he is a true patriot. The problem is when you are the only patriot others in power do not share your patriotism.

Looking back over the past decade I would think that only a politician that has or can gain support from others will succeed. It is great to see someone grandstanding against the media but that is not what gets things done in the oval office. Trump is to radical and impulsive. He has alienated himself from everyone. We need a moral diplomat that demands and deserves respect. Someone that will abide by the law and work to change it with the support of his colleagues. The most capable person in my opinion to be president in this day and age would be someone like Trey Gowdy.

This thought has crossed my mind a lot often in recent months. Short answer to it would be, no, he wouldn't have been able to achieve almost anything assuming he was not assassinated before inauguration. We have insight into this now to some degree because of the Trump show. The countless amount of games, media tricks, deep state tactics, identity virtue signaling, and the reliance on an uneducated populace have made it largely impossible to do much of anything. Bannon admitted as much recently, and we have seen Trump unable to work with a bought out and paid for Congress or a litany of corrupt judges that put their own leftist ideologies first above the constitution.

Trump actually thought he could work with neocons, leftists, and deep staters that believe in nothing except maintaining power by extending some half assed olive branch. He held his tongue on Paul Ryan and others after ripping them for years during the election. He brought in all sorts of neocons, bankers, and allowed Obama holdovers to stay indefinitely. He was less interested in principles and more interested in generating an operating cabinet that could achieve his nationalistic goals through compromise and acting like some kind of deal maker. It didn't work at all. They still want him gone or dead, whatever comes first. He is dealing with people that have no interest in getting along, they only want people to join them if they are useful and discard any opposition. Trump has not recognized this even after they have discarded most of the nationalists that he had. He still hasn't recognized this or he is playing coy to maintain his base. We'll see.

Ron Paul stands firmly on his principles. He would not have lined his cabinet like this at all. He would not have worked with them like Trump attempted to. He would not have worked with the deep state, which would have been a quick ticket to nationwide villainy and 24/7 baseless attacks by the deep state influenced/operated media. He has stated this many times throughout countless interviews he would not play ball like that and that's why he was often the only "No" vote. On the contrary Rand does play ball, he plays the game and tries to achieve liberty through this game. A Rand presidency may have seen more similarities to Trump than Ron's would have. Ron has stated this is the biggest disagreement between himself and his son, but ultimately they believe in the same principles. Ron wasn't interested in getting along or playing games, he was interested only in following the constitution and exposing people to liberty.

We will know more soon, but it's still early into this presidency and there are already plenty of clues to answer some of these questions.

As I remember Dr. Paul put out an article on what the President could do by himself to fix things.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Well, the thread title is fraudulent enough. No doubt that's why the Zippy Account picked it.

Zipper John is a research demon!