[Audio] Rand Paul on The Peter Schiff Show talking about endorsement

[tsetsefly]

Just as I predicted, the co-opting has begun. The Republican party is using Rand Paul for that strategy. Anyone talking about the platform this or the platform that is being disingenuous and is using such issue to round up the Ron Paul supporters. Let me say it loud and clear - the platform doesn't mean shit!!! It's never followed.

How is Rand Paul going to influence the Republican party when for 20 plus years Ron Paul couldn't? Rand can brag all he wants about introducing Bills that we might support but the Party in general does not. Winning the top spot is what is important.

It can change though, if we continue putting LIberty candidates in power it can certainly change.

If the movement is bigger than Ron Paul it is certainly bigger than Rand Paul and this is where people can't lose focus. We have to continue putting liberty candidates into all sectors of government.

 

[EBounding]

How is Rand Paul going to influence the Republican party when for 20 plus years Ron Paul couldn't? Rand can brag all he wants about introducing Bills that we might support but the Party in general does not. Winning the top spot is what is important.

Ron wasn't able to influence the party before because he had no back up. For 20 years, Ron wasn't building a political movement. He was of course building a movement of education and principle, but not one of political activism. The whole political activism didn't begin until recently (the past 4 years).

But we're building that foundation now. We're taking over state parties from the ground up, we're mobilized, and we're getting more liberty-minded people elected. You don't have to like Rand, but that shouldn't stop you from being an activist.

 

[PreDeadMan]

Rand Paul= Compromise Paul while Ron Paul= Stay True to your principles Paul ::shrugs shoulders:: not to hard to figure out who to get behind a no brainer if you ask me. I don't like the Rand Paul apologists making excuses for his actions that go against the principles of his father. After this election cycle when Ron Paul is done so am I. Making changes in the political realm is pointless the only change we can make is through mass civil disobedience and of course in our own personal relationships (friends, family, etc...)

 

[Carlybee]

He should have communicated this directly to supporters rather than waiting a week and doing it via a radio show. I found some of the comments condescending and frankly find it disingenuous that this was in the works while the good little cash cows were here maxing out for that last money bomb.

Communication fail

 

[ohgodno]

Good luck with getting Romney to sign a Fed audit bill lololol

Exactly… and good luck getting any votes for it in the Senate. That along with the line of oil, paper, logging, etc lobbies that will be outside the office of every Senator if the Hemp bill might see the floor of the Senate.

Rand has done some good. But undid all of it when he voted for an act of war with Iran.

This movement is being co-opted right before our eyes… and we're being blinded by the allure of getting another token vote to Audit the FED (which will likely fail and wouldn't be signed if it passed).

Come on, we're better than that.

 

[Carehn]

Rand Paul Speaks Out on Romney Endorsement On Peter Schiff Show

 

[Agorism]

House leadership and executive branch are totally different. There is more room to compromise on house leadership if Ron wanted to vote with the party.

Giving someone control of the U.S. military like Bush had is something totally different entirely, and we already know Romney is warlike in hi rhetoric from the 08 debates.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Good luck with getting Romney to sign a Fed audit bill lololol

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if he signs it...what was the last government investigation that actually resulted in anybody being prosecuted at a high level, and/or any real information being known that made a change? When most stories break, it's because a mole is leaking the information, not because the government is doing its honest job.
An "Audit the Fed" bill would probably even be signed on by Bernanke at this point. I mean, do we seriously not think they would cook the books, and move stuff around by now?

 

[Agorism]

Maybe Rand is going to too many cocktail parties with McCain lately. They convince him that some meaningless regulator of the EPA or some other agency is what it's all about, and that's why he needs to support Romney.

Exon Mobile or whoever wants their man in there, and that's what this election is all about now.

 

[realtonygoodwin]

You guys think its us getting co-opted by the establishment...you don't realize that we are the ones co-opting them.

 

[Agorism]

You guys think its us getting co-opted by the establishment...you don't realize that we are the ones co-opting them.

If we were the ones co-opting, Ron Paul's name would be at the TOP of the ticket not as someone who "needs" to endorse the nominee.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

And people might think this question is a little bit extreme.... but potentially starting WWIII is almost as horrific as legalized paedophilia.

If legalized paedophilia were an important core issue for Republicans, extremely important with a large number of active GOP voters and powerful media personalities, and a litmus test for whether they'd support you or not, and supporting legalized paedophilia were something they all loved Romney for, then I think in that situation Rand would do the exact same thing and endorse Romney. He would have no choice if he wanted to be a contender in 2016.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If we were the ones co-opting, Ron Paul's name would be at the TOP of the ticket not as someone who "needs" to endorse the nominee.

Have you ever done anything that requires more than one step? When you register for college, do you expect someone to hand you a diploma right then? We ARE changing the party from the inside out. It's going to take more effort on our parts to do all over the country, what our guys did in Minnesota and Iowa, but we are well on our way.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Man guys, don't you get it yet? If Rand didn't endorse the eventual Republican nominee, any legislation that he offered would be sidelined. Get it?

Yeah, we would have felt better had he not done it and maybe some would have preferred to just moan and groan and decry the evil neocons when none of Paul's bills were passed, but it also would have stalled any progress in turning some of this government crap around.

Ron and Rand have two different roles. Ron is the purity gauge for our philosophy; Rand is the legislative implementer. Not to mention the person who will likely be able to get conservatives to understand the message. We need both roles.

 

[VictorB]

Man guys, don't you get it yet? If Rand didn't endorse the eventual Republican nominee, any legislation that he offered would be sidelined. Get it?

Yeah, we would have felt better had he not done it and maybe some would have preferred to just moan and groan and decry the evil neocons when none of Paul's bills were passed, but it also would have stalled any progress in turning some of this government crap around.

Ron and Rand have two different roles. Ron is the purity gauge for our philosophy; Rand is the legislative implementer. Not to mention the person who will likely be able to get conservatives to understand the message. We need both roles.

LibertyEagle, they are not going to get it. People who are still railing against Rand after that interview are never going to open their eyes. They want to put their heads down and charge straight into Washington and take the government back. Unfortunate for those folks, that's not how it works in the real world. This isn't a novel. Ron Paul wasn't able to do it in almost 30 years, and if Rand behaved the same way he wouldn't be able to do it either.

Anyone who thinks that Ron wasn't advising Rand the whole way on this is wrong. They've learned from their mistakes, and this time around they are going to do it the way that they can win.

But hey, what do I know. If you need me I'll be down on the corner sign waving. That'll be sure to change things...

 

[cheapseats]

Funny how there are supporters talking about ending their support at the exact time that we can actually change things. Some people never really wanted change. They just wanted to feel special. If the party starts changing, they just won't feel so special anymore.

Some this, some that...different strokes for different folks, yes? NON REPUBLICAN Ron Paul Supporters were, or were NOT, pressured to become and vote Republican "just this once" FOR RON PAUL? They absolutely WERE.

You are quick to equate Non Republican Supporters' disinclination to foster REPUBLICAN PARTY UNITY POST-RON with never having wanted the original mission. THAT, Comrade, is intellectual dishonesty. Fuhgeddabout LOGIC.

As for "some people never really wanted change", it seems quite fair to say that Ron Paul was never IN IT TO WIN IT, unless a miracle would land the UNWANTED presidency in his lap.

 

[jay_dub]

Much of Rand's rationalization is based on putting trust in Mitt Romney. Do we really want that type thing to become the model for future Liberty candidates? Rand has been seen as the heir apparent..the big fish. Co-opting him is a huge victory for the Establishment. For them, it's the path to watering down this movement.

Ron is our only hope of injecting real Liberty and sanity into the system quickly. There is no other short cut within the GOP. Rand seems to think otherwise. I don't agree and I won't go along for the ride.

And yes, I listened to the entire interview.

 

[freedomordeath]

LibertyEagle, they are not going to get it. People who are still railing against Rand after that interview are never going to open their eyes. They want to put their heads down and charge straight into Washington and take the government back. Unfortunate for those folks, that's not how it works in the real world. This isn't a novel. Ron Paul wasn't able to do it in almost 30 years, and if Rand behaved the same way he wouldn't be able to do it either.

didn't anyome notice the momentum from one election cycle to the next, did you not notice the doubling, trebling of support and that Romney couldn't get a crowd. SOME POEPLE WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER, why give up this momentum, once Obama really starts an economic melt down poeple would be begging Rand to take over in 4 years, BUT NO HE DECIDED TO CUT A BIG MFKING CORNER. You do not make deals with criminals, they signing his bills now because they want to stop the train, after the election they'll drop him like a brick.

 

[freedomordeath]

Who knows how successful we would have been in 4 years time, you would have had Ron come out and campiagn for Rand and it would have broken critical mass, he destroyed this momentum.

 

[misean]

I just saw that Rothbard supported GHW Bush. Everyone seems to have gotten over that. I am not sure how anyone could listen to this interview with Schiff and not be hugely impressed with Rand Paul. This guy really is an All Star.