[Audio] Rand Paul on The Peter Schiff Show talking about endorsement

[ShowMeLiberty]

Who knows how successful we would have been in 4 years time, you would have had Ron come out and campiagn for Rand and it would have broken critical mass, he destroyed this momentum.

You've been to the future? Do we have flying cars yet? Please say yes....

 

[belian78]

Much of Rand's rationalization is based on putting trust in Mitt Romney.

I think you are wrong in this.

I've stayed out of this argument until now because I wanted to think it through, and of course hear from Rand himself. The conclusion that I've came to is one that other have, even though it was hard for me to accept. By uttering 6 words, "I endorse Mitt Romney for President" Rand has just taken a major smear against him away from the establishment. Just by uttering those 6 words, they cant paint him as an 'outsider' or 'nonplayer' or what have you. From here on out, Rand is the one that has something on the GOP establishment. He can now say going forward.."Look, I supported the party. I supported your guy when you wanted me to. Look where it got us. Maybe, just maybe this is the way we should go". And when he says that, they wont have any attack to throw at him about not being a true republican or other such rubbish.

Now, back to Rand trusting Romney. Rand is a smart man, I don't think he really truly believes that Mitt is what this country needs, and I don't see Rand trusting Mitt on the concessions that he may or may not get from this endorsement. From where I stand I see it as I stated it above, Rand uttered those 6 words to take the teeth out of any smear the establishment would try to throw at him as he tries to further liberty minded legislation.

 

[LibertyEagle]

didn't anyome notice the momentum from one election cycle to the next, did you not notice the doubling, trebling of support and that Romney couldn't get a crowd. SOME POEPLE WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATHWATER, why give up this momentum, once Obama really starts an economic melt down poeple would be begging Rand to take over in 4 years, BUT NO HE DECIDED TO CUT A BIG MFKING CORNER. You do not make deals with criminals, they signing his bills now because they want to stop the train, after the election they'll drop him like a brick.

What are you talking about? The GOP establishment still hates Rand. You keep talking about backroom deals; do you have any definitive proof of that?

Look dude, Ron Paul never endorsed candidates that were running against incumbent Republicans. Do you know why? He was told he would be kicked out of the Republican Party, that's why. But, I don't notice you beating the shit out of him for "selling out". Double standard, much?

They are doing the very best for us that they can. If any of you think you can do better, get up from the Lazy Boy and get to it, "freedomordeath".

 

[cheapseats]

...The Good 'Ol Boy party only wants to work with people who go along to get along. Rand did that step for us! They'll come expecting us to go along...

(so now we don't have to!)

Um, er, ah . . . if Rand Paul can't deliver NEW VOTES, remind me how he stays in "Republican Good Graces"? They already HAVE the votes of Republican Party Faithful.

THERE'S an oxymoron for ya, REPUBLICAN GOOD GRACES.

[Fear not, Mods & Rand Fans, I will not linger in this thread or this sub-forum, but I would be remiss in MY Civic Duties and disloyal to MY and MY ilk's best interests if I "simply" ignore lapses in logic, in order to be a "team player" and not piss on the GOP TAKEOVER parade.]

 

[V3n]

Um, er, ah . . . if Rand Paul can't deliver NEW VOTES, remind me how he stays in "Republican Good Graces"?

By going on Hannity and endorsing Mitt Romney.

And now we've reached back to the top of the loop in this argument, unless you'd like to go for another spin.

 

[cajuncocoa]

You guys think its us getting co-opted by the establishment...you don't realize that we are the ones co-opting them.

Don't say we didn't try to warn you when you find out you're wrong. I hope you don't, but I'm really afraid you will.

 

[cheapseats]

...The strategic consensus within the movement is around Rand's strategy...

The strategic consensus within THE REPUBLICAN FACTION OF THE MOOVEMENT is around Rand's strategy. Keep it REAL.

It doesn't matter HOW disgusted I am by the "turn of events" (or the revelation of previously decided events). For the same reasons that I didn't want Obamamaniacs led down a false garden path, and I didn't want NOBP's led down a false garden path, I don't wanna see RAND FANS led down a false garden path.

Rand's "evolving" thoughts have ABSOLUTELY caused a LOGICAL SPLIT in the Liberty Moovement. Going forward, it would be DELUSIONAL of Rand Paul Supporters to presume that Libertarians, Independents, Etcetera will FALL IN LINE with Republicans.

 

[cajuncocoa]

What are you talking about? The GOP establishment still hates Rand.

Really?

Is that why Sarah Palin endorsed him?

Is that why Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity keep telling him that they love him but strongly disagree with his Dad?

Or do you not see that Beck, Hannity, and Palin are all part of the establishment?

 

[BenIsForRon]

This interview should put to rest all the crying on this board. It won't, but it should.

Rand made it abundantly clear that he would undo all the inroads he's made into the party if he didn't endorse.

And honestly guys, this takes a lot of the burden on us to support Rand financially in the future. This will trick many corporations into thinking he's a typical republican that they should give money to.

 

[cheapseats]

Basically, Rand says that he was forced...

...this is a small concession you have to make...

...Rand HAD TO ENDORSE BEFORE THE KY CONVENTION...

He said he thinks the Chairmanship of each state Republican party must...

...it's something HE had to do...

...If he hadn't made the endorsement, then the door would have been closed on...

...If he didn't make the endorsement, then the door would have closed completely for...

...you have to blend into the republican party, or they're going to push you out...

...Rand did what he needed to do to...

I can reluctantly accept the fact that Rand had to make the endorsement...

...It takes a rare kind of courage to do such a thing...

You guys think its us getting co-opted by the establishment...you don't realize that we are the ones co-opting them.

When exasperated beyond endurance but wishing not to take the name of the Lord in vain, my father was wont to holler JIMINY CRIPES!!

 

[cheapseats]

By going on Hannity and endorsing Mitt Romney.

And now we've reached back to the top of the loop in this argument, unless you'd like to go for another spin.

Maybe you, NOT me.

He ALREADY went on Hannity and endorsed Romney.

If Rand Paul can't deliver NEW VOTES, remind me how he stays in "Republican Good Graces"?

If Ron Paul (and new "Liberty Candidates") cease towing the line, they will fall OUT of grace. Are we imagining that the GOOD kinda Compromisers will compromise and compromise while MORE Compromisers gain traction, until a critical mass of Compromisers all BREAK RANKS in one fell swoop?

Good luck with that...no, really.

 

[TheGrinch]

Um, er, ah . . . if Rand Paul can't deliver NEW VOTES, remind me how he stays in "Republican Good Graces"? They already HAVE the votes of Republican Party Faithful.

THERE'S an oxymoron for ya, REPUBLICAN GOOD GRACES.

[Fear not, Mods & Rand Fans, I will not linger in this thread or this sub-forum, but I would be remiss in MY Civic Duties and disloyal to MY and MY ilk's best interests if I "simply" ignore lapses in logic, in order to be a "team player" and not piss on the GOP TAKEOVER parade.]

You've made it abundantly clear that YOUR interests are not the same as those who stand behind Dr. Paul,. so why in the world would anyone listen to you about what's in OUR interests?

It's long been evident that you're here to undermine what we're doing, but enough already... You are not gonig to divide this movement jsut to serve YOUR interests.

 

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... You are not gonig to divide this movement jsut to serve YOUR interests.

The Moovement IS divided...and it was NOT me who tore it asunder.

 

[cajuncocoa]

The Moovement IS divided...and it was NOT me who tore it asunder.

Agree....sad, but true.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Man guys, don't you get it yet? If Rand didn't endorse the eventual Republican nominee, any legislation that he offered would be sidelined. Get it?

Yeah, we would have felt better had he not done it and maybe some would have preferred to just moan and groan and decry the evil neocons when none of Paul's bills were passed, but it also would have stalled any progress in turning some of this government crap around.

Ron and Rand have two different roles. Ron is the purity gauge for our philosophy; Rand is the legislative implementer. Not to mention the person who will likely be able to get conservatives to understand the message. We need both roles.

+rep

We need both.

 

[TheGrinch]

The Moovement IS divided...and it was NOT me who tore it asunder.

No, the movement is temporarily divided about how they feel about Rand, but the mroe who listen to this interview, the more evne those who disagree can understand.

However, opportunistic people liek you are as bad as the establishment and media in "not letting a good crisis go to waste". It's things liek that that stand to permanently divide us, so just stop already... Your constant undermining has gone on for long before this endorsement, so don't act like you're doing anything but adding flames to the fire because you have alterior motives.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Is that why Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity keep telling him that they love him but strongly disagree with his Dad?

Or do you not see that Beck, Hannity, and Palin are all part of the establishment?

Beck and Hannity praise Rand because they know he is the future of the party. Rand is definitely still anti-establishment.

 

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...opportunistic people like you...

LOL, if any of this were funny.

 

[Carlybee]

Don't say we didn't try to warn you when you find out you're wrong. I hope you don't, but I'm really afraid you will.

I think a lot of illusions are going to be shattered rather quickly

 

[cajuncocoa]

Beck and Hannity praise Rand because they know he is the future of the party. Rand is definitely still anti-establishment.

That's not how I see it.

First, let's say the jury is still out on whether Rand is or is not anti-establishment.

I think Beck and Hannity saw a younger version of Ron Paul making his first run for political office. At 49 years old, Rand could spearhead the growing movement for 20+ years after Ron retires. They decided right then to do what they can to use him to divide us (and it's working). They kissed up to Rand, proclaiming him to be more palatable than his father. They convinced Sarah Palin to endorse him. And in so doing, they made their listeners comfortable with the younger Paul. Rand won his senate seat with the help of those of us in the liberty movement, as well as the co-opted Tea Party, and establishment GOP who hang on Beck's and Hannity's every word. Last week, the establishment came for the pound of flesh Rand owed to them.

What remains to be seen is whether Rand stays on the liberty course, or whether he gets sucked in with the GOP establishment.