[Audio] Rand Paul on The Peter Schiff Show talking about endorsement

[Brett85]

You guys are forgetting that if Romney gets into office with our help, every destructive decision he makes will be tied to us as well.

Utter B.S. Endorsing a candidate doesn't mean that you endorse all of their positions.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Not true. He stopped a provision of the NDAA that would have allowed a person found innocent of terrorism to still be indefinitely detained. That is something. Besides, he's a freshman senator in the minority party. Give him time. (I'm not directing this at you in particular since you've made it quite clear that you hate Rand and will never give him credit for anything.)

Stopped a provision that will be used anyway, as the administration in power always takes a wider scope on legislation than what is stated in the bill.

 

[Pisces]

Stopped a provision that will be used anyway, as the administration in power always takes a wider scope on legislation than what is stated in the bill.

It was still a legislative achievement.

 

[Brett85]

I completely disagree with Rands perspective/approach, he is seeing this more as a game of power rather than a pursuit of ideals.

The only way you can implement your ideals is by gaining power.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

It was still a legislative achievement.

Ron got Audit the Fed passed. So far, Rand's approach works about as effectively with Ron's approach. Without the moral superiority.

 

[Pisces]

Ron got Audit the Fed passed. So far, Rand's approach works about as effectively with Ron's approach. Without the moral superiority.

I don't want to get into a Ron vs Rand argument that just makes everybody angry. I never said Ron didn't achieve anything in the House. I believe he has and he has achieved much more outside of Congress. I was only responding to your false assertion that Rand's approach had yielded no results in the Senate.

 

[CCTelander]

The only way you can implement your ideals is by gaining power.

Bullshit.

For example, there are dozens, probably hundreds of cases in US History wherein bad laws were repealed without ever getting a single person elected to office. I'll give you two simple examples.

Prohibition was repealed, primarily, because most juries refused to convict people charged under it. Nobody had to be elected to office for it to happen. People just had to be sick and tired of it, and they were.

It used to be illegal to broadcast using a CB radio without first obtaining an FCC license. The fines for violating this law were STIFF. However, starting in the 1970s CB radio became VERY popular. And almost NOBODY bothered to get a license to use them. Within a decade the law requiring licenses was quietly repealed, and that's where the situation sits to this day.

In both cases mostly passive resistance was more than enough to effect positive, lasting change. Electoral politics was completely unnecessary.

 

[shocker315]

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[MRoCkEd]

Good interview

 

[Adrock]

He did well in that interview.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

He makes no bones about the fact that he was only endorsing to further his political career to keep fighting his fight for liberty. I knew from the start it wasn't a sincere endorsement. Good for him.

 

[CUnknown]

It was a horrible interview. They never got to the real issue. They kept bringing up straw men and knocking them down, such as "I think there are a lot of people who still thought Ron had a chance, they are in fantasy land." Yes, this is true. But it has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is Rand selling out.

The Ron Paul Revolution has power when it goes against the establishment. When we join forces with the establishment, it doesn't matter what concessions we get as far as the platform, or chairmanships, or bills getting closer to being passed. When we join with the enemy, we play by their rules and must obey their power structures. That is a recipe for failure. We must destroy their power and make up our own rules.

Think about the Democratic side. There is a solid progressive wing of Democrats that exists in Congress. They never get anything done, or shift the agenda to the left at all, because they are playing by the rules. What they should do is attempt to DESTROY Obama's chances, to DESTROY the Democratic party even if that's what it takes to get listened to. Once you hold someone's balls in your hand and start to squeeze -- they'll listen to you.

We had Romney's balls, held tightly. We couldn't win the nomination, sure, but we could make it exceedingly uncomfortable for Romney and probably doom his chances of winning the Presidency. We could have destroyed him. We could have maybe even destroyed the entire party. Once we make our intentions clear, that we will bring down the party unless it adopts SOME SOLID MEASURE of liberty as it's base -- not everything, but something dammit -- then they'll either do it, or be destroyed if that's their choice. Either way, we will benefit in the aftermath. The Libertarian party would quadruple in size, easily, for example. Any surviving remnant of the Republicans would be committed to our principles.

That is real progress.

What do we have now? A timid leadership (Rand I'm talking about you) who will "play nice" and kiss a$$ when he needs to. Who will say up is down and night is day if he needs to. Who values a party's "platform" over it's core principles. Who values getting along with the power structure that we should be trying to destroy.

Rand's way of being nice will give us nothing of any benefit. The only benefit comes from the struggle, from the willingness to go against the grain, regardless of the cost.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Okay, now I have to speak, cannot hold my toungue.

We had a facebook event just not long ago with Weade, right?

He wanted SEO poeple to put out the word about the delegate strategy and how we were winning lot's of delegates and did NOT want American to freak out if Ron won. right?

And we were winning all over the place, even when the establishment cheated and we even had to go to parking lots, and we have video, right?

And Benton said they were "hoarding cash" for Texas and California, right?

So, what's going on here?

 

[AuH20]

It was a horrible interview. They never got to the real issue. They kept bringing up straw men and knocking them down, such as "I think there are a lot of people who still thought Ron had a chance, they are in fantasy land." Yes, this is true. But it has nothing to do with the issue at hand, which is Rand selling out.

The Ron Paul Revolution has power when it goes against the establishment. When we join forces with the establishment, it doesn't matter what concessions we get as far as the platform, or chairmanships, or bills getting closer to being passed. When we join with the enemy, we play by their rules and must obey their power structures. That is a recipe for failure. We must destroy their power and make up our own rules.

Think about the Democratic side. There is a solid progressive wing of Democrats that exists in Congress. They never get anything done, or shift the agenda to the left at all, because they are playing by the rules. What they should do is attempt to DESTROY Obama's chances, to DESTROY the Democratic party even if that's what it takes to get listened to. Once you hold someone's balls in your hand and start to squeeze -- they'll listen to you.

We had Romney's balls, held tightly. We couldn't win the nomination, sure, but we could make it exceedingly uncomfortable for Romney and probably doom his chances of winning the Presidency. We could have destroyed him. We could have maybe even destroyed the entire party. Once we make our intentions clear, that we will bring down the party unless it adopts SOME SOLID MEASURE of liberty as it's base -- not everything, but something dammit -- then they'll either do it, or be destroyed if that's their choice. Either way, we will benefit in the aftermath. The Libertarian party would quadruple in size, easily, for example. Any surviving remnant of the Republicans would be committed to our principles.

That is real progress.

What do we have now? A timid leadership (Rand I'm talking about you) who will "play nice" and kiss a$$ when he needs to. Who will say up is down and night is day if he needs to. Who values a party's "platform" over it's core principles. Who values getting along with the power structure that we should be trying to destroy.

Rand's way of being nice will give us nothing of any benefit. The only benefit comes from the struggle, from the willingness to go against the grain, regardless of the cost.

Alienation is not the route to victory, especially when you consider how unpopular Obama is. This is a very delicate situation that we must deftly play like Garry Kasparov. We will stand down on Romney's exposed right flank, ONLY if he offers in return X, Y, & Z concessions. If he does decide to alter the deal at a later date, we possess the moral high ground among a disenchanted public and then can move onto the scorched earth tactic you described. But right now there is no need to act like a barbarian and burn bridges. Completely counterproductive from where I'm standing.

 

[S.Shorland]

Audio: Rand Paul Explains Himself On Schiff Radio

This is already on the Rand Paul forum.Don't know why it isn't in grassroots

 

[Diashi]

Rand is completely caught up in party politics now, and it's sad. Endorsing traitors who have spent their lives chipping away at liberty, who are members of illegal government central-planning groups like the CFR, and doing them favors like voting for bad legislation in hopes of making an influential return - it's a complete contradiction of principles. Liberty isn't something you compromise on. It's one of the few things in life so sacred and pure, those who truly understand it know they must stand like a tree to defend it.

Take your own path, Rand, and do what good you can. But the pulse of this movement disagrees with you, and I disagree with you. We will march on.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

When was the last time a principled man was elected to POTUS?...

 

[Agorism]

idk why they don't discuss foreign policy though.

Rand makes it sound like there are just petty differences between Romney\McCain\Bush and Ron Paul that can be set aside for some greater cause while the former actually is the problem.

Again, I don't understand why he would object so strongly to McCain as to do a write in, but now he thinks Romney is a great candidate. Who cares about some TSA bill when we're talking about invading new countries and continuing the "war on terror."

 

[freedomordeath]

It made me SO MAD LISTENING TO THIS. It is clear what happened, he thought he was being smart, I don't think he is a horrible or nasty person, I think he does have good intentions but he doesn't have his fathers nerve of steel to all the BS. He thought he would get further then his father by playing the game, he thinks its ok to play this game because he'll outplay the world's best poker players on OUR BEHALF to further our cause. Almost like a naive school kid with a den of robbers. He probably has Republicans swooning all over him seeing if he is ok, if there is anything he wants, if they can make him a cup of tea, signing any bill he wants... hell even the NWO scum bags will order Democrats to swoon all over him, suddenly they'll have open ears for any concenrns he may have. Like a scum bag road biker trying to seduce an innocent girl so are they with Rand Paul.

Ron Paul does have a weak spot and that is his son, these scummy little diarrhea infested vomit bags have targeted Rand not in the way we think they would (ie death threats) but with cookies and cream, they know normal bribery will not work so they apeal to his cause for liberty.

They have stopped the Ron Paul train going into TAMPA, lets pray for the Paul family including Rand and when they drop him like a rock after TAMPA hopefully he'll come to his senses that this is ALL OUT WAR to defend America and that this movement will stay strong headed into TAMPA.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

It made me SO MAD LISTENING TO THIS. It is clear what happened, he thought he was being smart, I don't think he is a horrible or nasty person, I think he does have good intentions but he doesn't have his fathers nerve of steel to all the BS. He thought he would get further then his father by playing the game, he thinks its ok to play this game because he'll outplay the world's best poker players on OUR BEHALF to further our cause. Almost like a naive school kid with a den of robbers. He probably has Republicans swooning all over him seeing if he is ok, if there is anything he wants, if they can make him a cup of tea, signing any bill he wants... hell even the NWO scum bags will order Democrats to swoon all over him, suddenly they'll have open ears for any concenrns he may have. Like a scum bag road biker trying to seduce an innocent girl so are they with Rand Paul.

Ron Paul does have a weak spot and that is his son, these scummy little diarrhea infested vomit bags have targeted Rand not in the way we think they would (ie death threats) but with cookies and cream, they know normal bribery will not work so they apeal to his cause for liberty.

They have stopped the Ron Paul train going into TAMPA, lets pray for the Paul family including Rand and when they drop him like a rock after TAMPA hopefully he'll come to his senses that this is ALL OUT WAR to defend America and that this movement will stay strong headed into TAMPA.

Won't it be funny if Rand is manipulating Establishment, but its actually the Establishment manipulating Rand... but really its Rand manipulating the establishment because the establishment allows itself to be manipulated so the establishment can manipulate Rand...

lol.. its some kind of crazy dream withing a dream within a dream.