Attention!!! Deadline for NH/IA Ron Paul TV Ad Script is MONDAY (Aug 20) Morning!!!

I call you and me idiots when it comes to producing a television ad for a Presidential candidate. And you prove it to me when you come to a FORUMS board looking for the script.

We have people on here who cannot write a proper sentence and you want to look to them for advice on a TV commercial?

So what about holding degrees in other things. What does that prove? I have a doctorate degree from an Ivy league school in law. Does that qualify me to know anything about marketing? Of course not. So, in the area of professional TV marketing I AM AN IDIOT and so are the rest of you unless you happen to work for a marketing house, are part of a team and know what you are doing.

Would you go to a doctor for advice about an electrical issue in your house? Of course not, the doctor would be an idiot in that area.
It is grandiose, foolish, and silly to think otherwise.

I ask again, does anyone care about HURTING Ron Paul's chances for being President or do you just want to do your project and not give a flip about consequences?

You could make the most beautifully put together commercial and with the wrong message, or a message that doesn't play well, lose the chance of winning the election.

We all keep getting caught missing the forest for the trees. All we see is our little project in front of us. But rarely does anyone ask the question, what is best in the long run.

We focus on name recognition but don't particularly focus on how that name is perceived.

What if I am right? What if the TV commercial hurts his chances? What then?

Why not do this the proper way and hire a professional team to talk to? Learn about what sells and what does not.

This is crazy. The stakes here are HIGH.

The difference between an amatuer and a professional, is one is paid - one isn't.

I created a Radio Ad with the help of some talented people, and to me - it came out great, but some person thought it wise to belittle it and make it something bad -- on another website (dailypaul).

If we sit back and wait for something perfect, it won't happen.

The thing with this project is that NOBODY has donated anything yet - its all promisary based on whether the commercial is "up to snuff" - if its not, we don't donate. Simple as that.

Ron Paul DOES NOT have the money to put ads on T.V and the Radio, or have paid interns passing out flyers. People creating booths and "rallys" is the same thing, isn't it? Finding those that can PERFECTLY represent Ron Paul. But the thing is, we all have to help out the ways we can.

You should trust a little more. I have faith that what will be created will be good. If not, don't donate and it dies. This is what is good about donations... we will not work on blind faith when such large amounts of money are on the line.

Did you see those newspaper ads (see the sticky)... did you like them? They were homegrown created and put forth to nice effect.

Remember, Washington defeated the most powerful army in the world with a bunch of amatuers :)
 
first off - calm down lady.

if you want to have a discussion on the implications of the grassroots producing their own adverts, start a thread. don't interrupt a sticky to gripe.

number two - don't talk to me about agenda

ron paul has been the representative of my area for the majority of my life. not that i should have to whip out my bona fides on you, but you appear to be that type. so in short, don't come here and pull this "i'm more ron paul than you," crap.

furthermore... we are not discussing an action i intend on taking. i'm merely contributing to the thread. this problem, and your resulting poor attitude should be directed toward the OP, not me.

"oh for god's sake grow up"

I suppose that's a response, a one-upper if you will, to my earlier comment noting that your behavior was similar to that of my adolescent sister (those many years ago)???

Can we please end this bickering now and return to the subject of the thread? that being ideas for (not against the principle) a supporter-based advert.
 
Jennifer, I have asked you politely if you would address concerns to me in PM, and that didn't work as I have no PMs from you...

I even addressed your problems and reminded you they have been extensively discussed and we have professionals taking care of this ad. I would be glad to discuss this with you in private. You still haven't PMed me, you just want to derail my thread and OUR ideas. So Mrs. Romney-supporter-in-disguise, here are some words hopefully you can understand:

Shut up. Do you understand that? Just shut up.

Mrs. I have a Doctorate in law, so what. ALL lawyers hold doctorates in law. ALL law school graduates do too. J.D. stands for Juris Doctorate (Doctor of Law), which is what you're referring to. Yes, there are "higher" degrees than a J.D., such as an LL.M. (Master of Laws) and J.S.D. (Doctor of Juridical Science), but you said specifically you are a "Doctor" of law. So frickin what?

Get lost.
 
Id like to agree with jennifer, We need professional input. We can do great things together, but Ive already seen a few things put out there by amatures that have turned voters off to voting for Ron Paul.

These kind of things can make or break a campaign, if we say something wrong, or do something wrong it would just be a waste of time and money. For that reason I urge getting any help possible before jumping forward.

Giving Ron Paul the money however is a good idea in some reguards, but I think the mentality we have is that "We can do it better." especially after seeing the TV ad his campaign put out. Individual projects give us the chance to help in OUR way, and sometimes our way is better. We are the people, we know what needs to be done, and I doubt giving money to the Ron Paul campaign will help us accomplish these projects.

If campaign staffers are crying about us using our money the way we see fit to help, maybe they should have shown us from the get go that they could have handled it(no offense staffers).

So, how do I donate to this thing?
 
Go to the first post of this thread, at the end you'll see a link to the pledge page, click it and join us.

And for the record, I don't agree with Jennifer.
 
I'm gathering the scripts together, voting shall commence soon. I didn't mean to get personal with Jennifer, but she was kinda derailing a sticky that specifically said this is for script submission and discussion only. She could have made her own thread instead of calling us idiots (which I find offensive), after I responded very politely and in detail to her concerns, and asked her to address further problems to me in PM :rolleyes:

Anyway, voting will commence soon.

The donation pledges are at http://www.pledgebank.com/20kforpaul and the campaign page is operationnh.com.

Some people don't understand how hard it is to coordinate something like this that will be seen by everybody in New Hampshire and Iowa, and possibly other early voting states eventually. I'll update you guys in a bit what all I've been doing to coordinate this and what progress has been made.

Appreciate all the submissions, they were all thoughtful and interesting. Thanks.
 
Is It Too Late?

I thought the deadline was tomorrow morning. Mine is almost done, I should have it done in half an hour from this post.
 
in defense of SANITY

Hows about we delete all non-script posts from this thread - mods?

Second - i think people are all up in arms because Jennifer referred to us all as "idiots" when it comes to making ad campaigns. Well, so what? I think anyone that is upset by that needs to just CHILL and try to look past it for the sake of unity here. Poor choice of words, but she is not incorrect per se - i'm pretty sure none of us here are experts at this. As far as promotion and what we can accomplish is concerned... i could tell you that i spent two years designing concert posters for bands like the Rolling Stones, Foo Fighters, Tool, and a whole list of other A level bands at A level venues. I could also tell you that i've never taken a design or marketing class in my life. What does any of that matter? Absolutely nothing. What matters is the END RESULT - does it make people interested at best, is it boring and do people overlook it (worse), or at absolute worst - is it a poor representation and does it turn people off? When i did concert posters they each had to be personally approved by either the band or their management or both before it could go to print. I did things that i absolutely thought i knocked out of the park - only to have it be rejected, and have to start over. But as far as these ads are concerned - we have to stay away from the Campaign on them. I don't think we are allowed to have any input whatsoever from HQ due to FEC rules, and thats why i think we need to be ESPECIALLY sensitive to what ends up as the final project. We dont need to fight over it or argue about who is better - but we need to work together to create what best interests people in Dr. Paul, not for any other reason. But we can not exactly "trust the experts" to create something amazing either - there are good ad companies, and there are terrible ones. Think of how many horrible political ads you have seen over your lifetime - we don't want to be another one. Thats why we need to keep this a joint effort, where all opinions are welcome.

Skiii, i really think it was uncool of you to tell Jennifer to shut up. Sure, people are offended here - but we all have a right to our opinions and this is a discussion forum. Maybe she didn't want to PM you?

Lets all just ignore anything that might happen to be offending us, and move on in a constructive way towards the ultimate goal - to do all we can do to get Dr. Paul elected.

We can make ads about how we want to save the world later :)

peace people!! please!
 
OK, My Submission

The subject can be either a man or a woman.

Setting: outdoors, daytime, nice weather, field with green grass, trees, just a nice, outdoor setting. Start with a close-up of subject’s face. The camera slowly zooms out. The subject is standing front and center of a large crowd of very diverse people, different races and colors, men and women, all ages, about twenty or so people all together: some in business suits, some in work clothes, some in uniforms such as a police officer, a fire fighter, a soldier, a nurse, etc. and some are wearing “Ron Paul” tee shirts. They all have neutral to somewhat serious expressions. There are large “Ron Paul” signs and banners in the back of the crowd and people in front are holding smaller “Ron Paul” signs at a lower level. The whole scene looks very similar to a “Ron Paul” sign-waving rally.

The subject says the following; it should take 25 seconds to recite:

“I’m an American, and I love my country, but I’ve always felt that somehow, something was wrong. I’ve felt this way for some time now, but just couldn’t put my finger on it. Then I heard Ron Paul. Ron Paul’s running for president. The things I heard Ron Paul say make sense; a LOT of sense, and a lot of people I know think so, too. Ron Paul knows what’s wrong with our country, and he knows how to fix it. That’s why I—that’s why WE -- support Ron Paul for President.”


As the subject says: ”a lot of sense”, all the people in the crowd smile slightly and nod in agreement, a few, but not all of them, looking to their left and right as they nod. The nodding lasts for only two seconds, then they all look forward at the camera again, and all are now smiling to one degree or another.

The camera point of view is from directly in front of and slightly above. The zoom stops once the entire crowd is in frame at about twenty seconds and holds on the crowd for five seconds.

The final five seconds: Fade to a portrait shot of Ron Paul on a white background with the words "Ron Paul" in blue above him. The words "Hope For America", also in blue fade in on the bottom of the screen as a voice over is saying: "Ron Paul: Hope For America", and “ronpaul2008.com” underneath that with all the legal fine print at the very bottom of the screen.

And if a verbal credit is required, put it quickly at the very start of the ad.
 
Jennifer, I understand your concerns completely, but my people are all professionals. They understand underlying themes and think critically towards what this advertisement will say in all underlying aspects. I mean, honestly, no need for you to call us idiots. My people *know* what their doing. After we get the script, we're going to hand it to the script writer so they can expand on it. Then, we're going to get it back, and I'll along with the other key people will see it to make sure it's good to go. Then we get to work to make a good, professional commercial.

Honestly, if we have to depend on the official campaign to make a 30 second commercial, I think we have more things to worry about.

Hi DJ. Are any of these people versed in political marketing? The image we create for Dr. Paul with these commercials is crucial. We can create the script concepts, but I think we really need to run them by someone who is very versed in imaging.

If we do this right, we will be able to go to absolute town with this. :D

I think that is the crux of what Jennifer is saying. As I'm sure you realize, creating this ad is much more than going through the mechanics of professionally filming it. That's hard enough, for sure, but we need to be absolutely sure of the image it is conveying to the public.

My question is, do we want a 30 second commercial, or a 60 second commercial? Most of the ones I saw of Reagan's were 60 seconds in length. You'd be surprised at how quick that is, when you get right down to it. Even our radio ad was 60 seconds. I'm not sure about the pricing for TV ads, but when it comes to radio ads, 60 second ads aren't that much more than 30 second ads.
 
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Jennifer, could you post a link to the pledge drive you started for RP television commercials?
 
Jennifer,

Don't you think it's ok for people to submit their ideas? As long as we ran them by some marketing/advertising professionals for input? Perhaps we have these types of people in the campaign, or maybe DJLoti has already planned for people of this nature to be involved. I definitely think we'd better involve them, regardless of where they're coming from. Even if we have to shell out money to hire them. After the content is finalized, production can commence.

What do you think folks? Does this sound like a reasonable course?
 
He has professionals lined up to make the ad. One thing I'll say before I give my updated idea. Jenn, use the edit button,please. When there are 5 posts in a row from someone over a few minutes span, it eats up a page. I personally appreciate your concerns for evoking the right feelings for this ad. I also realize that due to the repeating posts, some people became,how shall we call them, "crankypants".

We are on the same team here, I believe we all want what's best for getting Ron Paul elected. Breathe, repeat as necessary...


*Drum roll and fife music


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men (slight pause), and women are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

Dr. Ron Paul has delivered over 4,000 babies.

Representative Ron Paul stands for your Liberty and for Limited Government.

Ron Paul wants to help restore the dream that is America.*


We have to remember the cost for ads that over 30 sec. It also would be good to have a consistent theme that can be developed. In my opinion, development of this theme concerning our founding documents could serve well the task at hand...


Earnestly Submitted,

:)
 
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We need the script for the TV commercial to be complete and voted on by Monday. I mean, c'mon, how long does it take to come up with a 30-second script? Yes, it takes time and effort, but we need to move on this. We need to start producing the TV ad early next week, because we need to have it READY before we finalize any ad purchases. Our fundraising is at 10% in only two days, so I'm NOT worried about that. I'm concerned because we need to start developing a product. No product = no ad, no matter how much money we can raise.

Therefore, Monday, August 20 will be the deadline to get a FINAL SCRIPT to the producer because it may take him up to a few weeks to produce the ad. Time is of the essence - no procrastinating.

So, please post your submissions -- I am looking forward to them, and we will vote on the best one, which will air on TV stations throughout New Hampshire and in select parts of Iowa in the coming month or two. Thanks!

Too many people are putting way too much emphasis on cramming lots of concepts and positions in. Successful political ads are highly visual, emotional, and focused. Following is my submission, leveraging an emotional presentation and evocative imagery to win over Republican primary votes for Dr. Paul on the very challenging issue of the war in Iraq. The American people don't want a history lesson on what it means to be a conservative. The American people want a position they can feel good about, and this ad presents Dr. Paul's position as the one.


Ron Paul: The Truth

Summary
Liberals say we've lost the war in Iraq. Others say we should stay to police their streets and rebuild their mosques. Even as our bridges collapse. And our borders are left unsecured. The truth is our soldiers won the war in Iraq. And now it's time to bring them home. Vote Ron Paul.

The script can be successfully executed in 20-30 seconds depending on timing and speed.

Strategy
- Present both defeatism and nation building in Iraq negatively.
- Imply that by continuing nation building in Iraq we are neglecting serious threats at home, most prominently illegal immigration.
- Recall that we did achieve military victory in Iraq; we won the war in Iraq.
- Imply that the patriotic action is to come home, rather than to stay and nation build in Iraq.
- Imply that a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for coming home to rebuild our nation rather than Iraq.

Script
[Music: Dramatic, ominous audio backdrop. Movements in the audio should lead into statements.]
[Visual: Black and white split screen with still of John Kerry during Vietnam-era Senate testimony on the left and still of 90s Hillary Clinton with a tired or angry expression during a speech, preferably with a finger raised. Start zoomed in, slowly zoom out and pan the stills during the scene.]
[Audio: Speech is a male tenor voice spoken slowly with a tinge of disgust.]
"Liberals say we've lost the war in Iraq."

[Visual: Black and white still of Rudy Giuliani, preferably from the 90s, either accusatorial and pointing, or exhausted or confused, preferably with his hand on his head. Transition into second negative image of Giuliani in same era or style. Transition should complete after "to police their streets."]
[Audio: A tinge of disgust and confusion.]
"Others say we should stay to police their streets and rebuild their mosques"

[Visual: Black and white video clip of aerial footage of 35W bridge collapse in Minnesota.]
[Audio: Speech continues in same voice but now slightly faster. Tone is now solemn and matter of fact.]
[Audio: Muffled helicopter rotor sound with muffled city traffic gridlock car noise and horns.]
"Even as our bridges collapse"

[Visual: Cycle quickly through a series of black and white stills depicting Mexican illegal immigrants climbing border fences, stepping over clearly inadequate barbwire, or ruined fence or holes in the fence.]
[Audio: Muffled sounds of crowds of angry Mexican voices, preferably from the recent Mexican election protests, chanting or chaotic yelling.]
"And our borders are left unsecured."

[Music: Patriotic music fading in and building to a moderate level.]
[Visual: Collection of color images of success in Iraq preferably one depicting toppling of Saddam statue, one showing troops standing over captured Saddam, and one or more showing U.S. soldiers standing by cheering and smiling Iraqi people and children.]
[Audio: Muffled cheering behind speech.]
[Audio: Speech is now confident and assertive.]
"The truth is our soldiers won the war in Iraq"

[Visual: Color footage of George Bush at podium with Mission Accomplished banner in the back.]
[Audio: Audio clip from Bush speech stating "the United States has prevailed."]

[Music: Patriotic music resumes at a moderate level.]
[Visual: Color footage of solders and others on the aircraft carrier smiling, saluting, and cheering.]
[Audio: Speech continues confident and resolute.]
"And now it's time to bring them home."

[Visual: Vivid color Ron Paul for President 2008 poster image full screen.]
[Audio: Speech continues in same voice.]
"Vote Ron Paul."

If you need to contact me I can be reached at: dircha AT dircha DOT com.
 
Once again, my people are professionals. *I* have an idea for a commercial, and my LA guy really liked it, but maybe someone here has a better one. It's worth a try.

My people *are* professional in what they do. They may not be a political advertiser company, but they know the business.

Once again, if we can't create a 30 second ad, I really think we've got more problems to worry about. It's not rocket science.
 
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