Atheism starts its megachurch: Is it a religion now?

[Christian Liberty]

You ignored it because you follow the words of a book and state that disagrees with my reason. I claim to own myself. You and your god claim that I don't. That is exactly why governments exist and steal from us and kill some of us. It is written that you can. That's what you base your morals on. It's funny how you like to act like you have some trap set for me when talking about statisms, atheism, and how morals are established. You are an ancient statist.

Its not that we disagree with you, its that you can't rationally defend your (mostly correct) statements about self-ownership as a moral absolute without an absolute standard by which you assert it to be absolutely true.

 

[Sola_Fide]

You ignored it because you follow the words of a book and state that disagrees with my reason. I claim to own myself. You and your god claim that I don't. That is exactly why governments exist and steal from us and kill some of us. It is written that you can. That's what you base your morals on. It's funny how you like to act like you have some trap set for me when talking about statisms, atheism, and how morals are established. You are an ancient statist.

Whoa whoa whoa. Why is it wrong that another person has a different morality than you?

 

[Sola_Fide]

According to the state that you worship, it isn't. It is justified in the bible.


According to the state that you worship, it isn't. It is justified in the bible. It is the foundation of the bible. The bible and the god you claim inspired it; is your state.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where does the Bible say that we should worship the state? Chapter and verse please.

(And to all who are reading, watch how there will be no non-arbitrary answer for his morality coming from the atheist worldview. Atheism cannot defend any moral position.)

 

[fr33]

Whoa whoa whoa. Why is it wrong that another person has a different morality than you?

It isn't necessarily wrong. But to violate my sensible moral code (that you seem to have so much trouble with) of not aggressing against me is a sure way to suffer a consequence. You were vague of course but it wasn't in my moral code and neither was your god.

The Christian bible says it's moral to murder, enslave, and abuse people. They suffer the consequences of their morals because it's nowhere close to logical. Of course without the right to do these things, christians won't have any power. In the statist sense of the word.

Christian morals, as defined by the bible, are as statist as any other theists.

 

[fr33]

It's funny how Sola Fide started out acting like atheists are evil statists, yet he needs his master to approve of his morals. The true mind of a slave.

 

[fr33]

Do you eat any of the shell-fish varieties? Do you murder your neighbors by stoning them to death for their adulterous sins? Do you enslave people? If the answer is no, I shall hear no more bible verses.

 

[Sola_Fide]

It isn't necessarily wrong. But to violate my sensible moral code (that you seem to have so much trouble with) of not aggressing against me is a sure way to suffer a consequence. You were vague of course but it wasn't in my moral code and neither was your god.

Why is it wrong to violate your moral code?

The Christian bible says it's moral to murder, enslave, and abuse people. They suffer the consequences of their morals because it's nowhere close to logical. Of course without the right to do these things, christians won't have any power. In the statist sense of the word.

Christian morals, as defined by the bible, are as statist as any other theists.

Haha....where is the chapter and verse that says it is "moral to murder enslave, and abuse" people?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Do you eat any of the shell-fish varieties? Do you murder your neighbors by stoning them to death for their adulterous sins? Do you enslave people? If the answer is no, I shall hear no more bible verses.

What is your understanding of the civil laws of Israel? I'm asking because I want to see how much you know about this before I educate you about it. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Sola_Fide]

It's funny how Sola Fide started out acting like atheists are evil statists, yet he needs his master to approve of his morals. The true mind of a slave.

From an athiestic worldview, why is it wrong that Obama tells you how to live? You have NO answer for tyranny. And you're lashing out against a worldview that actually has the only logical defense of property rights? What an irrational person you are!

From an atheistic worldview, why should Obama, Stalin or Mao respect your property rights?

 

[Sola_Fide]

But to violate my sensible moral code (that you seem to have so much trouble with) of not aggressing against me is a sure way to suffer a consequence.

So your worldview resorts to might makes right??? But Obama has more firepower than you! How could you be right?

What a ridiculous worldview atheism is. There is no justification for property rights in athiestic worldviews, as we can see here.

 

[fr33]

Haha....where is the chapter and verse that says it is "moral to murder enslave, and abuse" people?

Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money

Leviticus 25:44-45
And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have—from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property.

Put that shit in your 10 commandments. Half of them are the same jingoist pledge demanded.

You are on record on this topic claiming that the morals of those opposing slavery are inferior to you and your slave-master god. Fuck you and fuck your state.

 

[fr33]

So your worldview resorts to might makes right??? But Obama has more firepower than you! How could you be right?

What a ridiculous worldview atheism is. There is no justification for property rights in athiestic worldviews, as we can see here.

I laid out property rights as plainly as they exist. You promote violating them and call it "might makes right".

 

[fr33]

So your worldview resorts to might makes right??? But Obama has more firepower than you! How could you be right?

What a ridiculous worldview atheism is. There is no justification for property rights in athiestic worldviews, as we can see here.

According to Sola Fide: Don't Tread on Me = "Might makes right"

He could just as easily be a communist or socialist in this argument.

 

[Sola_Fide]

According to Sola Fide: Don't Tread on Me = "Might makes right"

He could just as easily be a communist or socialist in this argument.

I asked what was the basis for property rights in your worldview. You said you would make sure there is a consequence for people violating your property rights. That is might makes right. Obama has more firepower than you. Your worldview cannot sustain morality or liberty.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I laid out property rights as plainly as they exist. You promote violating them and call it "might makes right".

Why is it wrong for someone to violate your plainly existing property rights?

 

[fr33]

Why is it wrong for someone to violate your plainly existing property rights?

Because they risk losing every right known to them. If only magical consequences from your god are the only consequences, then no wonder most professed christians and other theists are statists. They and you were raised to be statists.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Because they risk losing every right known to them. If only magical consequences from your god are the only consequences, then no wonder most professed christians and other theists are statists. They and you were raised to be statists.

So what if they have more firepower than you?

 

[fr33]

I asked what was the basis for property rights in your worldview. You said you would make sure there is a consequence for people violating your property rights. That is might makes right. Obama has more firepower than you. Your worldview cannot sustain morality or liberty.

And you are no different. Once again we delved into it and you ignored it. Your god (otherwise known as the state) is ok with slavery abuse and murder. You claim your leader has more weapons than the other.

Exodus 21:20-21
And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money

Leviticus 25:44-45
And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have—from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property.

Put that shit in your 10 commandments. Half of them are the same jingoist pledge demanded.

You are on record on this topic claiming that the morals of those opposing slavery are inferior to you and your slave-master god. Fuck you and fuck your state.

Please dare to tell us how atheists are more statist than theists. You deserve more egg on your face.

 

[Sola_Fide]

And you are no different. Once again we delved into it and you ignored it. Your god (otherwise known as the state) is ok with slavery abuse and murder. You claim your leader has more weapons than the other.



Please dare to tell us how atheists are more statist than theists. You deserve more egg on your face.

Where in those verses that you posted does it say that slavery or statism is prescribed today?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Obama has more firepower than you Fr33. If property rights are based on your ability to defend them, then Obama has a rightful claim on all of your property because he has more firepower. This is the stupidity of atheism.