Astrology: Charting the Rise of Ron Paul

[Ariondys]

Indeed, astrology books often suggest smearing planets forward one house when they are near the end of the house they are in. It all starts to force one to define words that astrology books don't define. Like the word orb. They offer a range of opinions.

A progressing Saturn seems like a smear, and how far does it progress. Is an orb big enough to capture any of the resultant smear. Planets usually progress forwards.

If made a computer generated chart of both charts. Nothing changes when I use 2 degree orb. It's a fairly detailed view, planets in signs, houses, aspects, 12 houses being ruled by the same 12 signs even. It may be something like 50 identical paragraphs.

If I rectified him without using a single date, I would in fact be correct over a range of minutes.

The biggest difference in the two times when you focus on tighter orbs like 0-1 degrees is the Mercury-Saturn aspects to the angles.

You can have Mercury and Saturn square the Midheaven
or
You can have them opposite on the Ascendant-Descendant axis

I read that this guy is Doctor No, to me that's the latter.

 

[Ariondys]

When I view his progressions. I see his progressed Saturn retrograde into the 6th house to square his Midheaven. I see his progressed Vesta retrograde to the Descendant and station there.

Ron Paul was 41 on his birthday, Aug 20 1976, during his 1st political office. He's been a politician since then.

Progressed Date | saturn | Vesta | date
-----------------------------------------------------------
30 Sep 1935 11:35:20 UT | 4 pi 42 Rx | 8 pi 40 Rx | 1976
05 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 4 pi 25 Rx | 7 pi 57 Rx |
10 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 4 pi 11 Rx | 7 pi 24 Rx |
15 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 58 Rx | 7 pi 4 Rx |
20 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 47 Rx | 6 pi 54 Rx | 1996
25 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 39 Rx | 6 pi 56 |
30 Oct 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 34 Rx | 7 pi 9 |
04 Nov 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 31 Rx | 7 pi 33 |
09 Nov 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 30 | 8 pi 7 | 2016
14 Nov 1935 11:35:20 UT | 3 pi 32 | 8 pi 51 | 2020

These progressions enter a 1 degree orb of Ron Paul's Ascendant and Midheaven: pSA=MC(3ge40) and pVesta=AS(7vi30) and remain 1 degree until 2020 due to stationing.

http://www.neptunecafe.com/vesta.html
Vesta's basic principle in the horoscope is to focus attention. Her house placement describes what she's focused on, and aspects to other planets and asteroids can enhance or distract from that objective.

Vesta was known as a symbol of protection for both the family and the state.
Consequently, her role in the horoscope has both a personal and transpersonal
meaning as the one who insures security for the people of our global village.

But notice that "Keeper of the Flame" is the exact signature of the Vesta
archetype. The ruthless underground faction is characteristic of Vesta's
political manifestation...

http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/05/20/driven-towards-the-sacred-vesta-part-two/
Bruce Springsteen: Vesta conjunct the Desc, in visionary Sag. His championing of "other", of the down and out and those who need a voice, is astrologically genuine.

 

[Ariondys]

The security of understanding that comes with astrology will allow you to proceed forward with less doubt and insecurity. Someone forgot to tell Santorum he's probably wasting money.

Rick Santorum
May 10 1958
Winchester, VA
39n11, 78w10

Time Uknown, transit to outer planets will be accurate since outer planets move very little in 1 day(1-2arcminutes/day.)
Transits are precession corrected for extra accuracy.

Jan 3rd 2012
Transit Jupiter trine Pluto(+/- 0-01)
This is one of those magical days where everyone does what you want and just cooperates with you for no apparent reason. And remember from a thread not far back I pointed out how Jupiter stationed over christmas. And Santorum tried to visit everyone in Iowa with Jupiter trining in Pluto(1/2 degree orb) for almost all of December, he'll keep up the pace for just a few more days, past Jan 10, Jupiter leaves this position.

Nov 5th-6th 2012
Transit Saturn conjunct Neptune(+/- 0-02)
Negative mood. A day of serious doubt. A tendency to look at life from the worst point of view. Aware of the all things you are afraid of. You may even get ill.

Ariondys

 

[MikefromSyracuse]

RP was in great spirits during his speech the night of the Iowa caucus. He may get the majority of Iowa delegates later due to the due diligence of his caucus supporters who will participate in the delegate choosing process.

A group of young college age people in Iowa were quoted by an ABC news reporter -- "this is just not a presidential campaign, this is a movement..."

The electoral (ephemeral) chart with a 5 planet stellium in 11th house (Porphyry system) indicates this theme.

I was going to attach an image of the this chart with transits for Jan 10 but it looks like its not permitted.

 

[SisCyn]

A group of young college age people in Iowa were quoted by an ABC news reporter -- "this is just not a presidential campaign, this is a movement..."

The electoral (ephemeral) chart with a 5 planet stellium in 11th house (Porphyry system) indicates this theme.

I'm hearing more and more Ron being given "rock star" status. What do you think is accounting for this?

Incidentally, I am a hobbiest level student of astrology. Used to hang out on astro.com quite a bit, but not much the last couple of years. Was just now over there seeing what folks were saying about Ron, flipped back here, and here you are! Is it you or I who is psychic?

 

[SisCyn]

Back to basics. Saturn and Uranus. Libertarianism, the Freedom Movement, and sudden shocking change. 2012 Age of Aquarius begins?

 

[SisCyn]

I'm not advanced enough to attempt a rectification. This might seem simplistic, but a friend of mine who has studied astrology for over 30 years once told me that you can see the Aries glyph formed by the eyebrow ridge and outline of the nose from a straight on view of the face on an Aries rising. Look and see, Ron definitely has that feature.

 

[Ariondys]

RP was in great spirits during his speech the night of the Iowa caucus.

Good good. He should be with transits like I described.

I was going to attach an image of the this chart with transits for Jan 10 but it looks like its not permitted.

use text.

 

[Ariondys]

I'm hearing more and more Ron being given "rock star" status. What do you think is accounting for this?

If I had to point at something I havn't pointed out yet that reminded me of "rock star" status. I would point to the progressed Mars trine Uranus that exists most tightly over the full spectrum of the primary season

This would represent approximately the position of the progressed Mars over the course of the primary season(jan3 - jun26)
5 cp 17 (jan 3)
5 cp 22
5 cp 26
progressed Moon opposite Sun around here.(April 1st or so)
5 cp 30
5 cp 35
5 cp 39 (june 26)

it doesn't move particularly fast, it's gone 22 arcminutes in half a year. And natal Uranus is at 5 ta 29. There's a definite "hill" of progressed energy displayed here for the primary season. Progressed Moon opposite Sun, and Progressed Mars Trine Uranus.

 

[Ariondys]

The star "Zuben Elgenubi" aka Alpha Libra
Ron Paul's Sun will progress over this star. This star and it's buddy Zuben Eschamali, aka Beta Libra; both stars are concerned with social reform and justice; one dark and the other light. The good star, Zuben Elgenubi is one concerned societal issues who can resist the temptation for pesonal gain or power. This will be exact in 2 years, or the middle of the next presidential term.

No Personal Gain motivates him!

This is almost quotable stuff from a book on Stars I'm holding. Ariondys

 

[Revolution9]

I was going to attach an image of the this chart with transits for Jan 10 but it looks like its not permitted.

You have to upload it to a server and post the link.

Thanks MikefromSyracuse and Ariondys. Interesting thread and breakdowns.

HTH
Rev9

 

[Ariondys]

A slice of the sky at Ron Paul's birth. Notice the Sun-Uranus parallel. From here it takes just over 77 years for the progressed Sun to make it down to parellel Jupiter.

 

[Ariondys]

That star between Mars and Jupiter is Zuben Elgenubi, and I pasted in progressed Sun position for age 77 and 81 to demonstrate the approximate positions and movement of the progressed Sun over this area of Ron Paul's Skychart.

 

[SisCyn]

For fun, I cast a natal chart for Ron, using a 10:18 pm time of birth.

Trying to determine time of birth is a real shot in the dark. I chose this time in order to give him an Aries rising, with retrograde Uranus rising from the Taurus second house.

This time would also give him a highly dignified Sun in Leo in the 5th house. This placement brings out all the benevolence of Leo, since the sun is the natural ruler of the 5th house and Leo. So the sun functions perfectly here to its maximum strenghth.

The sun here would show Ron's love of children because the 5th house rules children.

This hypothetical time of birth would give Ron a Virgo 6th house where Mercury, Neptune, and a retrograde Venus reside. Doctors are ruled, according to Rex Bills Rulership Book, by Virgo, 6th house, and Mercury.

That works out nicely, but is really just speculation. With an Aries ascendent, all of the houses have their natural placements - such as Libra on the cusp of the 7th house of partnerships and showing successful partnerships and marriage.

 

[SisCyn]

Without a verified time of birth, house placement is just a guess.

But a lot can be told about Ron from the signs that the planets are in, and the aspects (or geometrical patterns) that these planets make to each other.

Noel Tyl uses a method referred to as "the sun/moon" blend as beginning of entrance into the birth chart. The sun/moon blend will tell us where and what kind of energy the native of the chart uses to fulfill their basic need. That "need" is shown by the moon. The flavor or characteristic of the moon is described by the sign in which the moon falls on the day of the native's birth.

The sun in an astrological birth chart is the battery or energy that runs the entire chart.

Ron's sun shows that his energy comes from a sun in Leo, when the sun is in its greatest strength. A Leo sun shows, according to Tyl's Book Synthesis and Counseling in Astrology, the "energy to be recognized".

The moon in a birth chart, again using Tyl's explanation, shows the native's basic need. The native must then figure out how to use the energy of the sun to fulfill that basic need.

Ron's moon is in Taurus and this shows the "need to preserve security; to keep things as they are or are supposed to be."

A full interpretation of the Leo sun/Taurus moon blend:

The energy to be recognized takes on an organization of "rightness". This is conviction, power, self-confidence, drama. When personally espoused ideas are not well received, moodiness and puffy arrogance show up. These are stubborn, "slow" positions working to keep things as they are or organzing them the way [they] should be. They need aspects of social sensitivity and humanitarianism for the personality's power to work most efficiently. (Bill Clinton, Anita Hill, Mick Jagger, Jerry Falwell [have this sun/moon blend])

Tyl, Noel. Synthesis & Counseling in Astrology: the Professional Manual


Does this describe Ron Paul?

I think it very much does!

 

[SisCyn]

Just for the record, I am not "plugging" Noel Tyl. I have read probably about 100 books on natal astrology by many different authors and still consider myself an amateur. I also paid for an online course on natal chart intepretation back in 07 given by Astrologos (Bernadette Brady and Darrelyn Gunzberg), but didn't really care for their method. The study of astrology is something you have to get down inside your understanding and when you reach that level of understanding, chart interpretation becomes more intuitive and flowing, but still very time consuming.


I used Noel Tyl's examples because he has a simplified method that is easier for those new to astrology to understand.

 

[SisCyn]

 

[SisCyn]

whoa...tried to imbed the image and now it is on each post? can someone fix that please? sorry!

 

[ctiger2]

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[SisCyn]

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