As children's brains are being eaten by vaccines, parents urged to ignore the symptoms and

thedude said:
This same reaction happens in almost all children after their first shots. It happened with us (if your parents gave you the shots). I for one am in support of the vaccinations because of what they're protecting my child against. I would like to know how many experience the symptoms being spouted by unsourced sources. I still strap my child into the car, yet there is a risk of being in a car accident. And before anybody claims that I am not forced to drive my child, I was not forced to have these vaccines administered; I elected to have it done.
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Agreed.

I don't trust naturalnews. At least, I don't trust bias sources. If I shouldn't blindly follow the mainstream, then why should I blindly follow naturalnews and the like as well? I know prisonplanet has some decent studies, however, I am still skeptical about them due to the present bias.

The only one I know I can trust 100% on the vaccine issue is Ron Paul:


It's the society I'm worried about more than vaccines themselves. We're expected to give 4-5 vaccines at once to small children, which overwhelms the immune system. Not only that, but aren't vaccine preservatives more dangerous in a young child where the brain is still developping, whereas we would not see much noticeable correlations in healthy adults?
 
SWATH said:
I understand it is a natural immunological reaction to being injected with parts of the diseases but is if safe? Because that clearly an unnatural thing to do. I'm concerned that the immune reaction could be damaging something in him that was not designed to bear such an immune stimulus. The baby's immune system may be naturally blunted during this time for a reason that perhaps we do not yet understand and stimulating it to such a degree to cause pain and trauma is defying nature for convenience. Yes the diseases are horrible if contracted (you don't have to tell me that, I know personally) but the odds are fairly remote for most of them, it's a gamble either way. If his reaction was "normal" I'd hate to see what a bad reaction looks like. His face was contorted in pain and terror like if to say "OMG WTF did you do to me!" I refuse to make the same poor choices for him that my parents made for me, on the doctors advice and assurance that everything was safe I might add. Just because everyone tells you to do it including the doctor doesn't mean it's still not a poor choice, you don't get to cop out and get off that easy when you are dealing with the life of someone who cannot defend himself against it. That's my dilemma.
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I can understand your dilemma. We have a four month old as well. The simple answer is no, vaccines are not natural. But the death associated with the natural diseases that can be contracted, in which these safely build antibodies to, is. We likely differ on our definitions of safe. Is it likely your child will contract diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, etc. on his own? Is it likely your child will suffer long-term neurological damage from the vaccines? It's all up in the air. Life is a risk, and there are rewards associated. I do not want my child to build antibodies to a surely debilitating disease by contracting it. This is the not-safe way. There are multiple sides to the story, and I'm sure I'm going to get jumped on for presenting mine. I happen to see the benefit where others may not. It's easy to focus on the side effects of the hepatitis vaccine instead of looking at the long-term side effects of hepatitis.
 
Kotin said:
Enjoy the encephalitis. Cause you're dead wrong. I'm a pre med student and I study this stuff 22 hours a day.
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Well then publish me an essay in a medical journal of your findings and then I'll consider your position. I mean, studying the effects of vaccinations on children for 22 hours a day must make you some kind of expert, no?
 
My mains concerns with them are:

A. The aluminum content, there has been no study in human infants to show what the toxic level is and it often exceeds what the FDA defines as safe.

B. Foreign DNA, especially human. What diseases could they contain that we do not even know of yet. Could they contain prions and what long term autoimmune consequences could come about from injecting foreign human DNA into the bloodstream of an infant.

C. Could the immune response of the infant actually damage something or do harm to it's development long term.

D. The very fact that the government mandates them in many cases while offering legal protections for the manufacturers. The general unholy alliance with pharma and government. I would be just as skeptical about a government mandate or even an endorsement of Monsanto foods.

E. The financial incentive for all involved to exaggerate the threat of disease and to downplay the side effects of the vaccines. Also the VERY strong incentive to avoid liability from selling a dangerous product. See Tobacco companies.

I don't happen to think these are crackpot concerns, am I wrong?
 
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Kotin said:
Enjoy the encephalitis. Cause you're dead wrong. I'm a pre med student and I study this stuff 22 hours a day.
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So, what are you being taught about this? Are you told to tow the line? Is there room for discussion with educators about possible dangers of vax? Will you put your future residency at risk if you speak out against them?
 
SWATH said:
Also does anyone know how to increase milk production? My wife has to pump since she works but she's been getting very little for the past couple of months and now he is mainly on formula but supplemented with milk. She only gets about 8oz. per day. She's tried beer but it didn't seem to help.
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I've enjoyed this website for many years. www.mothering.com There is a forum to join there as well.
 
SWATH said:
Also does anyone know how to increase milk production? My wife has to pump since she works but she's been getting very little for the past couple of months and now he is mainly on formula but supplemented with milk. She only gets about 8oz. per day. She's tried beer but it didn't seem to help.
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My wife used fenugreek and she started making so much that we bought a deep freeze to store it. You can find it about anywhere. Wal-mart is the cheapest I believe.
 
Does anyone understand the theory behind vaccines and how they theoretically work? I don't. I don't see how poisoning someone will make them stronger.

Also, if you are using Chinese traditional medicine or other natural medicine, the vaccines are just going to get flushed out of your system anyways, so whats the point of taking them in the first place?
 
The science behind them is to expose your immune system to a weakened, killed, or partial pathogen like for instance polio for your body to develop antibodies against without actually acquiring the disease. Once your immune system learns how to make antibodies against it, if you are ever exposed to the actual disease then you can fight it off before it can infect you or before it overwhelms your defenses. This is also why breast milk is so important, it is full of the mothers antibodies from all of the illnesses she has an immunity for, when the baby drinks it these antibodies are transferred to the baby and will protect him from disease, one way is by coating the inside of his mucus membranes like the nose and throat killing any pathogen that they come into contact with when inhaled.
 
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One thing I will never ever agree with the majority of Ron Paul supporters on is the anti-vaccine movement.
 
Son of Detroit said:
One thing I will never ever agree with the majority of Ron Paul supporters on is the anti-vaccine movement.
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And one thing I'll never understand is how anyone can disconnect the two.

Most RP supporters know that the media lies to us.
They know that big pharma is in bed with the government.
Most RP supporters question the status quo/"accepted" beliefs.

Yet when it comes to vaccines, they buy the whole concept hook, line and sinker that the media, pharma & government sell.

I'm not anti-vaccine for YOU, or for YOUR children. I am anti-HERD. I should not be forced to poison my children for "the greater good". First of all, I don't believe in herd immunity and CAN link study after study which shows it's not true at all. But secondly, if vaccines WORK - your vaccinated children should have nothing to fear. So leave my kids the hell alone!
 
mosquitobite said:
And one thing I'll never understand is how anyone can disconnect the two.

Most RP supporters know that the media lies to us.
They know that big pharma is in bed with the government.
Most RP supporters question the status quo/"accepted" beliefs.

Yet when it comes to vaccines, they buy the whole concept hook, line and sinker that the media, pharma & government sell.

I'm not anti-vaccine for YOU, or for YOUR children. I am anti-HERD. I should not be forced to poison my children for "the greater good". First of all, I don't believe in herd immunity and CAN link study after study which shows it's not true at all. But secondly, if vaccines WORK - your vaccinated children should have nothing to fear. So leave my kids the hell alone!
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I'm not for mandatory vaccines, you can do whatever you want.
 
mosquitobite said:
And one thing I'll never understand is how anyone can disconnect the two.

Most RP supporters know that the media lies to us.
They know that big pharma is in bed with the government.
Most RP supporters question the status quo/"accepted" beliefs.

Yet when it comes to vaccines, they buy the whole concept hook, line and sinker that the media, pharma & government sell.

I'm not anti-vaccine for YOU, or for YOUR children. I am anti-HERD. I should not be forced to poison my children for "the greater good". First of all, I don't believe in herd immunity and CAN link study after study which shows it's not true at all. But secondly, if vaccines WORK - your vaccinated children should have nothing to fear. So leave my kids the hell alone!
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+rep
 
Son of Detroit said:
I'm not for mandatory vaccines, you can do whatever you want.
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2/3 of States make if very difficult for parents to enroll in school, both public and private without vax. Many health care workers must submit to vaccines. Overseas travel have vax laws as well.
Someday it could affect you and you will want to be sure of where you stand, with facts.
 
SWATH said:
The science behind them is to expose your immune system to a weakened, killed, or partial pathogen like for instance polio for your body to develop antibodies against without actually acquiring the disease. Once your immune system learns how to make antibodies against it, if you are ever exposed to the actual disease then you can fight it off before it can infect you or before it overwhelms your defenses. This is also why breast milk is so important, it is full of the mothers antibodies from all of the illnesses she has an immunity for, when the baby drinks it these antibodies are transferred to the baby and will protect him from disease, one way is by coating the inside of his mucus membranes like the nose and throat killing any pathogen that they come into contact with when inhaled.
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But it also weakens your system, making it more difficult to fight off viruses and diseases. I don't have a problem with antibodies from a natural source like a mother's milk, thats not going to weaken a baby's system.
 
thedude said:
this reaction is due to the severe pain of the shot and the fevers that occur when the child is building antibodies to the disease being given. I for one do not shy away from the opportunity to be infected so my system gets stronger. it's funny how all of a sudden in recent years vaccines are bad but yet we all turned out just fine... I threw away my foil hat years ago. Everything has inherent risk and reward. it must suck living a life all boarded up.

furthermore, nobody is holding you down and forcing anything on you. like everything else, there is an admission fee. here in this country there are several. you don't have to play, but in order to, there are costs.
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The Poisoned Needle by Eleanor McBean (1957) on-line book (Suppressed Facts About Vaccinations)
http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean3.html
 
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