Are you with us or against us?

[Truth Warrior]

Hah! I thought you might have been "in the know" in this soap opera.

But still, WTF?

The RPF is simply another small part of the ongoing "soap opera", called politics.

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of, "As the BS Spins."

 

[rpfan2008]

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There are going to be some people on this forum that are most likely *not* going to enjoy this forum posting...

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

 

[MelissaWV]

"In-fighting" isn't necessarily a bad thing. The elephants and jackasses have been doing it for ages, but the difference is that they then tolerate those "fringe" people into their midst. In the case of this movement, the "fringe" is made up of people who don't see Ron Paul as some angelic savior sent from heaven to fling lightning and melt the opposition with lasers from his eyes. The "extreme fringe" is made of people who question Dr. Paul, but see him as the best hope given the other choices out there in the political spectrum.

ONE OF the problems with this movement is that we somehow do not tolerate those two groups, even though their votes count just as much, and they may be in a great position to help us "streamline" the message and get it out to many people.

What's this got to do with the price of tea in China? It's important to scrutinize why on earth a man with millions still in the bank, who got pretty good numbers in a few states, did not put forth better "mainstream" materials to get exposure. Why the awful commercials? We've all seen a flood of YouTubes that were pretty great, and with only the price of a lawyer (check those things for copyright infringements, etc) and the airtime, those commercials could have been out there from the official campaign. There were contradictory signals from the campaign throughout the whole effort. There were times when the grassroots was lauded, and other times when it seemed we must smell. The "mainstream" people in the movement, when they existed in reasonable numbers, tried to point out that the Truthers were bad. The Truthers pointed out that the "mainstreamers" were blind. Split split split, and I'm not talking about recently. I'm talking about over a year ago now.

This infighting, as it stands, is a byproduct of people that are STILL at very different levels of education on the process, some of which still have no clue how they'd become a delegate, or how to call a point of order, or how to infiltrate without looking like a circus freak (not naming names there...). I don't think anything's above constructive criticism, least of all the campaign, when there are some very valid concerns out there about managing of funds. Scrutiny is "allowed" to some extent on here towards fellow members, and the ventures of those members. My only concerns in the past have been with the motivations of those who do this all in public, rather than resolving issues privately with the person involved. I can see how that's not really possible with allegations of this size against a national campaign.

However, that leads into my last point. I love ya Bradley. You're a very nice person, and I've spoken to you, and you rendered me a great favor not that terribly long ago. I know you had good intentions and clear thought in making the original post. I know what it's like to see someone chanting the "with us or against us" mantra, and the proverbial red flag leaping up, because it IS a Bushism. However, in this case, you posted a portion of a private conversation, and that's been rampant on here lately. That also smells like a Bushism to a large extent, no offense. I think the point could have been made without LE's name pulled into it, regardless of what you think of them. I still love ya.

If disagreement isn't allowed... we should all learn these fascinating lyrics, anyhow, and drink up some nice KoolAid...

Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Someones singing lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbayah

Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Someones laughing, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Someones crying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Someones praying, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya
Oh lord, kumbaya

 

[New York For Paul]

So Ron Paul is not above reproach, but Bradley is? Who has worked harder than the man himself - yet Bradley at every turn is in some way creating negative associations with him or by proxy - those very close to him.

I mean, it appears to me - and I could be wrong, but isn't Bradley doing to LE what he has done to most everyone in Ron Pauls' HQ staff?

Who knows Bradley, you might be right - but your delivery always begs questions, and concerns. I see alot of truth in some of the things you have said, I do - but I sense a motive i am not comfortable with.

I make no bones about it. I like LE. I think her concerns and forceful nature is because she feels so deeply about the movement, and Ron Paul himself.

I am an easy going guy and I am starting to get annoyed.

There were plenty of people on Ron Paul's staff who Bradley did not go after. From those of us in the Arlington/DC area who volunteered or worked at the main HQ, it was a well known fact/secret about the level of problems going on with the HQ.

Actions were taken quietly to try to change things, but ultimately they were not successful.

 

[Bradley in DC]

However, in this case, you posted a portion of a private conversation, and that's been rampant on here lately. That also smells like a Bushism to a large extent, no offense.

No worries on the favor, we're all on the same side--I would have done the same for LE under similar circumstances.

The only part of the private conversation I posted were my own words.

 

[klamath]

So here is the gist of it. RP surounds himself with embezzlers, racists and crooks. He talks a good line, votes no in congress but his real ambition is to steal money and promote white racism. RP only wanted to be president so him and his goons could rob fort knox. He set up C4L to skim money from private donations. Boy have I been had. Now I feel like I did after believing "no nation building". Good God what a bunch of Trash I'm voting for McCain/Palin as at least she is cute.

And Bradley if you think I am voting for tha slimy used car salesman Barr you can think again.

 

[Truth Warrior]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Hidden History: Where Organized Crime and Government Meet[/FONT][/FONT]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/burris/burris10.html​

 

[aravoth]

No worries on the favor, we're all on the same side--I would have done the same for LE under similar circumstances.

The only part of the private conversation I posted were my own words.

I guess this thread is going exactly where you hoped it would.

 

[acptulsa]

Motive: There are some who have an attitude that blind faith in staffers must not be questioned. I'm pointing out that that attitude undermines our movement--and hoping we can now move forward like adults for a change.

Bradley, you are a smart enough guy to know that dredging crap up right now is a politically incompetent and ignorant thing to do. I don't see where dragging LE into this means anything or adds anything to your point (though I'd read an explanation). And while I want the CFL's finances to be honest, I don't know why you would be surprised that anyone and/or everyone here would look at this tripe and call it anything but an attempt to keeep the cats from forming a powerful herd.

 

[hard@work]

The ones who work the hardest to defeat division while maintaining their personal integrity should be the ones that are listened to the most.

 

[MelissaWV]

The ones who work the hardest to defeat division while maintaining their personal integrity should be the ones that are listened to the most.

I'm going to pretend this refers to me, and strut

 

[BarryDonegan]

please put this in hot topics. how is this going to help us elect future liberty candidates.

 

[FindLiberty]

As I read through this thread, I was happy to see it going right where I wanted it to go to... We need to try to avoid personal attacks, power trips and bickering.

Originally Posted by hard@work
The ones who work the hardest to defeat division while maintaining their personal integrity should be the ones that are listened to the most.

No doubt power attracts undesirables and the power of this movement will bring on opportunists and saboteurs sent in here by tyrants.

Our own honest house cleaning and airing dirty laundry may be required, but try to stay positive. Learn (expose and stay one step ahead next time).

Push to make progress towards the goal of Liberty.

Education - Promote truth and free market solutions. Expose corruption, lies and waste in government (restrictive/bad laws) or the defects in central planning. Use lots of harsh daylight.

Activism - Elect Liberty minded candidates, work to overturn bad laws and throw destructive lawmakers out of office (pry their dirty hands off of the nation’s monetary inflation teat).

 

[MsDoodahs]

I'm going to pretend this refers to me, and strut

 

[nayjevin]

you are a smart enough guy to know that dredging crap up right now is a politically incompetent and ignorant thing to do... I don't know why you would be surprised that anyone and/or everyone here would look at this tripe and call it anything but an attempt to keep the cats from forming a powerful herd.

This quote could get alot of mileage reposted around this forum.

 

[kaleidoscope eyes]

WHAT THE HELL is going on here? the forums i love, and hold a highly regarded addiction to is going to SHIT, and you guys are making me CUSS now.... GET OVER this 3rd grad BULLSHIT.... my 6 year old is more mature then some of you

ditto this sentiment.

me so cunfuzed!

wtf is going on around here?

sure there's always been arguements and disagreements and weird topics, ever since I first came here, that's cool. the past two or three days has been like bizarro world and I hardly recognize the place. Is it just me? I expected after the rally there would be a new exciting energy and a new push to advance the movement. I feel crestfallen and disappointed that this place may have been infected beyond hope and I'm not gonna know who is on the up and up (I typically have a good intuition for this). Whatever this ugly shift is, I hope it passes quickly. I hate to get mushy, but I love this place and all you budding raggle taggle Patriots, I would hate to see it fall apart.

 

[acptulsa]

Patriots, I would hate to see it fall apart.

Well, there are two things different now. Those who couldn't make the rally are starting to get over the disappointment. And those who could are getting back to the normal routine now--which means we're handy to help pwn the trolls!

 

[constituent]

I feel crestfallen and disappointed that this place may have been infected beyond hope

It's not. "Don't let the man get you down."

and I'm not gonna know who is on the up and up (I typically have a good intuition for this).

you are and you know you are, all else is fluff.

Whatever this ugly shift is, I hope it passes quickly.

It will.

I hate to get mushy, but I love this place and all you budding raggle taggle Patriots, I would hate to see it fall apart.

Amen, it won't.

 

[kaleidoscope eyes]

Well, there are two things different now. Those who couldn't make the rally are starting to get over the disappointment. And those who could are getting back to the normal routine now--which means we're handy to help pwn the trolls!

LOL tulsa, box them about the ears a couple times for me then!
I choose to ignore them typically, no fuel, no fire type of thing.
Is this the "Immature playground troll phase?" lol

 

[Truth Warrior]

ditto this sentiment.

me so cunfuzed!

wtf is going on around here?

sure there's always been arguements and disagreements and weird topics, ever since I first came here, that's cool. the past two or three days has been like bizarro world and I hardly recognize the place. Is it just me? I expected after the rally there would be a new exciting energy and a new push to advance the movement. I feel crestfallen and disappointed that this place may have been infected beyond hope and I'm not gonna know who is on the up and up (I typically have a good intuition for this). Whatever this ugly shift is, I hope it passes quickly. I hate to get mushy, but I love this place and all you budding raggle taggle Patriots, I would hate to see it fall apart.

Perhaps this IS advancing the movement. Or maybe it's just a R4R HIGH, HANGOVER post partum depression.