Are You Ready to Pay $50 for a 100-Watt Bulb?

how about using less bulbs?

How about no? I love the light in my rooms, it's beautiful and visitors always remark about it. And with the style of the fixtures, if I used less bulbs my house would be very dark and impossible to see anything.

How about the government stop enacting laws that cost me more money, instead? It's bad enough we have our president saying that his goal is for gas prices to keep rising to force everyone to buy hybrid cars. Great, except for I don't have $30,000 to spend on a brand new hybrid car.
 
I gave in years ago and pulled out all my X-10 and dimmer wall switches. :-(
It's all or nuthin' now with the on'off switches.

Yea, those dimmable CFLs are an expensive joke - they don't last long or work out too well. The color of newest CFLs is better, but even now they still don't look quite as nice. miss my nice dimmers and look of that old lighting - I hope you can hang on to your old lighting!

I'm not going to give in. Love my dim lighting too much. It's nice to hop into the tub with my wife and dim the lighting down, and light some candles. It's nice to sit at my computer and work with dim lighting enough to see my keyboard or write stuff on paper, but not have a migraine headache from the lights being at full power. It's nice to light the fireplace and use that as my main source of light in the room, but have the overhead lights on and dimmed a little bit to provide a little bit of fill light around the room. It's also nice to sit out on the deck with my dimmable lights and eat dinner with music with the wife.

Right now I have about 100 boxes of light bulbs in my shed. I order the incandescent bulbs online for $1.40 for a four pack. I might even be able to make a business out of it. Soon, when only CFL and LED are sold in stores, incandescent are going to be in high demand for anyone that owns dimmer switches in their house.
 
In this case, yes. You used to be able to use uninsulated wires in your house (knob and tube), after enough fires insulated wires became mandatory, and I'm sure there was resistance at the time with the same arguments.
You used to be able to use lead paint and plumbing, perhaps you want to go back to those days too?

Occasionally the government does something correct, and this is one of those times.
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Is this statement actually true? ^^^

I know that knob and tube wire is actually insulated....I've seen enough of it out to know that. This got me to thinking about how safe it might be, because it actually seemed fairly safe in every instance that I've encountered for several reasons:

1.) The wire is insulated with some sort of black, treated, cloth covering.
2.) The hot and neutral are separated by good distance of space.
3.) The ceramic tubes protect the wire through the stud and the wires are well secured with the knobs.

I started wondering when the transition started taking place and found a wikipedia article that says this:
Knob and tube wiring was eventually displaced from interior wiring systems because of the high cost of installation compared with use of power cables, which combined both power conductors of a circuit in one run (and which later included grounding conductors).

I also discovered that knob and tube is still used in some applications:
At present, new knob and tube installations are permitted in the US only in a few very specific situations listed in the National Electrical Code, such as certain industrial and agricultural environments.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that knob and tube was displaced by something better. I don't think that it as made illegal by the government (at least, at first) because another, better, product came along.


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I just found this comment on the web that seems to support what I said above, and also seems to suggest that what came after Knob and Tube wiring actually was worse:
How safe is knob and tube wiring?
Safety is difficult to evaluate with K&T. My house was built in 1891 with gas lighting and was wired in 1903 with K&T with no problems for 80 years. When I started to rewire I found that BX cable installed in the 50's was far more dangerous than the K&T. The insulated wire in the BX cable had crumbled in the metal boxes and bare wires were a serious hazard. The ground, of course, was only through the metal cable sheathing and was not reliable. Fortunately, it had not been stapled anywhere so I was able to pull new wires through as I removed the BX. I had to replace all of the BX before starting on the K&T. The K&T was in perfect condition. All wires were oversized copper (aprox. #10) and the insulation was thick and difficult to remove with a knife. I could find no deterioration anywhere. Since the wires were held apart and insulated with ceramic tubes at joist penetrations and thick flexible tubes elsewhere, it appeared to be very safe. The only feature missing was the equipment ground and of course the panel was a nightmare.

I would replace all K&T wiring but I would rate it as safer than a lot of the wiring installed in the 50's & 60's.
 
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How about no? I love the light in my rooms, it's beautiful and visitors always remark about it. And with the style of the fixtures, if I used less bulbs my house would be very dark and impossible to see anything.

How about the government stop enacting laws that cost me more money, instead? It's bad enough we have our president saying that his goal is for gas prices to keep rising to force everyone to buy hybrid cars. Great, except for I don't have $30,000 to spend on a brand new hybrid car.

you have a choice to use less bulbs, you chose not to. There is no "right to be free from darkness", and nobody is forcing you to own a car either.
 
Ive begun to stock pile incandescent bulbs. We should just learn how to make a bulb. Doesnt seem especially difficult.
 
Just want to say, to everyone who doubts Anti-Federalist on the technology argument: Do remember that technology has a way of surprising us. Thirty years ago, how many people would believe we'd all be connected via the internet, the way we are now? How many people thought that you'd be able to type a question into Google, and have a result in less than five seconds? Ten years ago, how many people honestly thought we'd have GPS in most of our phones, capable of tracking us in real-time?

In regards to marijuana grow operations, people have said that they only find the large grow operations with electricity monitoring, but that isn't true at all. There have been cases where people have been raided over as little as 1000 watts, and I'd bet even less. Why? Because it's not just the AMOUNT of electricity they acknowledge, it's the CYCLE of that electricity, too.

Cannabis, like many plants, has to be grown on a light cycle. In order for cannabis to be induced into flowering, and to remain in a flowering state, the cycle of light must be kept at roughly 12 hours a day, and typically for 52-100 days straight. This means that in order to assess whether one might be using grow lights or not, all they do is look at the cycle of electricity usage. By using smart meters, they can see that a significantly larger portion of electricity is used for exactly twelve hours, at the same time every day. At eight in the morning, this person starts using 1000 extra watts of electricity. Then, exactly twelve hours later, the electricity usage significantly drops. Could this be some other appliance? Possibly, but they don't care, and that's why we should all be fighting to end this sort of thing.
 
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CIA director David Petraeus has said that the rise of new “smart” gadgets means that Americans are effectively bugging their own homes, saving US spy agencies a job when it identifies any “persons of interest”.

Speaking at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA’s technology investment operation, Petraeus made the comments when discussing new technologies which aim to add processors and web connections to previously ‘dumb’ home appliances such as fridges, ovens and lighting systems.

http://www.infowars.com/cia-head-we-will-spy-on-americans-through-electrical-appliances

But I'm not doing anything wrong...

Fools.

That is a ridiculously cavalier and dangerous attitude to have these days in Amerika, where all is legal and everything is illegal.
 
you have a choice to use less bulbs, you chose not to. There is no "right to be free from darkness"

You have the balls to personally stop him or myself with violence from choosing numerous incandescent bulbs? I doubt it.
 
Just want to say, to everyone who doubts Anti-Federalist on the technology argument: Do remember that technology has a way of surprising us. Thirty years ago, how many people would believe we'd all be connected via the internet, the way we are now? How many people thought that you'd be able to type a question into Google, and have a result in less than five seconds? Ten years ago, how many people honestly thought we'd have GPS in most of our phones, capable of tracking us in real-time?

In regards to marijuana grow operations, people have said that they only find the large grow operations with electricity monitoring, but that isn't true at all. There have been cases where people have been raided over as little as 1000 watts, and I'd bet even less. Why? Because it's not just the AMOUNT of electricity they acknowledge, it's the CYCLE of that electricity, too.

Cannabis, like many plants, has to be grown on a light cycle. In order for cannabis to be induced into flowering, and to remain in a flowering state, the cycle of light must be kept at roughly 12 hours a day, and typically for 52-100 days straight. This means that in order to assess whether one might be using grow lights or not, all they do is look at the cycle of electricity usage. By using smart meters, they can see that a significantly larger portion of electricity is used for exactly twelve hours, at the same time every day. At eight in the morning, this person starts using 1000 extra watts of electricity. Then, exactly twelve hours later, the electricity usage significantly drops. Could this be some other appliance? Possibly, but they don't care, and that's why we should all be fighting to end this sort of thing.
Two flower grow rooms with 1 light each. One room the lights are off while in the other, the lights are on.
 
Here's that kooky, fringe, conspiracy outfit National Geographic:

the information collected by smart meters could reveal how many people live in a home, their daily routines, changes in those routines, what types of electronic equipment are in the home, and other details.




Privacy Concerns Persist as Smart Meters Roll Out

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2012/12/121212-smart-meter-privacy/

Christina Nunez

For National Geographic News

Published December 12, 2012

Energy consultant Craig Miller, who spends much of his time working to make the smart grid a reality, got a jolt when he mentioned his work to a new acquaintance. The man, who happened to be a lineman at a Pennsylvania utility, responded earnestly: "Smart meters are a plot by Obama to spy on us."


The encounter was a disheartening sign of the challenge ahead for proponents of the smart grid, who say that the technology can help the industry meet power demand, fix problems faster, and help consumers lower their electricity bills. Advocates of such a 21st-century grid are learning that they need to take privacy concerns seriously. Though smart meters are not, in fact, a domestic espionage scheme, they do raise questions: In a world where households start talking with the power grid, what exactly will be revealed? And who will be listening? (See related quiz: "What You Don't Know About Electricity.")

The term "smart grid" encompasses an array of technologies that can be implemented at various points along the line of transmission from power plant to electricity user, but for many consumers, it is symbolized by one thing: the smart meter. A majority of U.S. states have begun deploying the wireless meters, which can send electricity usage information from a household back to the utility remotely at frequent intervals. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, more than 36 million smart meters were installed across the nation as of August 2012, covering about a quarter of all electrical customers. In the European Union, only 10 percent of households have smart meters but they are being deployed rapidly to meet an EU mandate that the technology reach 80 percent of households by 2020.

Because smart meters can provide real-time readings of household energy use instead of the familiar monthly figures most customers now see in their electric bills, the devices offer a new opportunity for consumers to learn more about their own power use and save money. But the ability to track a household's energy use multiple times a day also presents some unsettling possibilities. In theory, the information collected by smart meters could reveal how many people live in a home, their daily routines, changes in those routines, what types of electronic equipment are in the home, and other details. "It's not hard to imagine a divorce lawyer subpoenaing this information, an insurance company interpreting the data in a way that allows it to penalize customers, or criminals intercepting the information to plan a burglary," the private nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation noted in a blog post about smart meters. (Related: "Pictures: The Energy Drain of Recreational Drugs")

The European Union's data protection watchdog warned earlier this year that smart meters, while bringing significant potential benefits, also could be used track whether families "are away on holiday or at work, if someone uses a specific medical device or a baby-monitor, how they like to spend their free time and so on." The European Data Protection Supervisor urged that member states provide the public with more information on how the data is being handled. (Related: "The 21st Century Grid")

A State-by-State Effort

As with many of the rules governing utility operations, regulations to address privacy concerns in the United States are currently embedded in a patchwork of state laws and public utility commission policy. Most experts point to California as a leader: Last year, the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) adopted rules governing access to, and usage of, customer data. The state has also passed legislation that requires utilities to obtain the customer's consent for release of their information to any third party. The CPUC was involved in producing a comprehensive report on privacy with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) that summarizes, often in chilling detail, the many ways in which privacy breaches could occur on the smart grid, and recommends best practices for preventing those breaches. "As Smart Grid implementations collect more granular, detailed, and potentially personal information, this information may reveal business activities, manufacturing procedures, and personal activities in a given location," the NIST report said.

George Arnold, national coordinator for smart grid interoperability at NIST, points out that many of these privacy and security issues have been dealt with in the health care and telecommunications sectors, for example. "Protecting the privacy of the information [on the smart grid] has been taken very seriously. . . . I think it's a good news story that policymakers recognize the importance, and both policy and technical tools are well in hand to deal with this," Arnold said. (See related photos: "World's Worst Power Outages.")

But no existing federal or state laws can be counted on to protect consumers' utility data as smart meters are rolled out across the country. At least one utility in California argued early on that it was subject to a number of existing laws that would address privacy concerns, according to Jim Dempsey of the Center for Democracy and Technology, which worked with the CPUC on its privacy framework. However, Dempsey's group found that no single law provided a clear answer regarding utility data, and that a new set of rules was necessary. "Almost every state has some kind of [privacy] law already," Dempsey said. "But the point is, those laws predate the smart grid, and they do not really account for the complexity of the smart-grid ecosystem."

With other states—including Colorado, Maine, and Texas—now formulating policy on smart meters, a consensus is emerging. Jules Polonetsky of the Future of Privacy Forum, which advocates for responsible handling of consumer data, says there is general agreement that utilities should have rules that govern how they can use smart meter data, and that a customer should be able to know and have access to the data being collected. Still, Polonetsky points out that as energy-saving applications and devices (such as the Nest wireless thermostat) proliferate, state privacy frameworks may have limited power. Utility access to data is restricted, but "some device that I buy and I activate may not be subject to utility regulations," Polonetsky said. His organization has introduced a privacy seal for companies that handle smart-grid data, with the goal of highlighting companies that are being proactive about privacy.

Resistance to smart meters in some areas, though confined to a small fraction of utility customers, has been vociferous enough that a handful of communities have declared moratoriums on installations. The city of Ojai, California, for example, declared such a moratorium in May, though it is effectively unenforceable. In Texas, one woman pulled a gun on a utility employee who was trying to install a smart meter. Beyond privacy issues, many smart-meter opponents cite fear of exposure to radio frequency waves, even though radio frequency exposure from smart meters falls "substantially below the protective limits set by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for the general public," according to a study from the Electric Power Research Institute, the nonprofit research organization funded by the electric power industry. (Related: "Putting a (Smiley) Face on Energy Savings")

Some states, including California and Maine, which has the highest penetration rate in the country for advanced meters, have allowed residents to opt out of smart-meter installation. So far, few customers have done so: In California, according to Chris Villarreal of the CPUC, the opt-out rate was less than half of one percent. The Texas Public Utility Commission is currently weighing whether or not to allow customers to opt out.

Miller, the energy consultant, has been working on a $68 million effort partially funded by the U.S. Department of Energy to implement smart-grid technology with rural electric cooperatives. He said many of the concerns about smart meter privacy run counter to how utilities actually operate. "The utilities go through all kinds of effort to reduce the amount of information they get," he said. "They see no advantage [in] collecting data with no operational value. If the data did not allow you [as a utility] to make a better decision about the operation of your grid, then there's no reason for a utility to collect it, and they won't."

High Ambitions, Low Public Awareness


Protecting homeowner data from interested outsiders will be crucial for the electric industry as it seeks customer buy-in on the smart grid, but the real challenge may lie in boosting the interest of homeowners themselves. "Our research shows that consumers generally overwhelmingly are unaware of the smart grid [and smart meters] and don't even know what those terms mean," said Patty Durand, executive director of the Smart Grid Consumer Collaborative (SGCC), a nonprofit dedicated to consumer education about the smart grid.


In most cases, the utility notifies the customer that the smart meter is coming, swaps in the new meter, and recovers the cost of deployment through a slight rate adjustment, so a homeowner may have little involvement in the installation process. That decreases the likelihood that a homeowner will understand what the smart meter does or how it is beneficial. (Related: "Smart Meters Take Bite Out of Electricity Theft")

"For the longest time, the relationship between the utility and the customer has been, 'Here's the power and you can pay for it'," said Villarreal of the CPUC. "Now with smart grid and smart meters, we're asking the customers to get more involved and providing them with a lot more information, and now they're starting to ask questions."

Villarreal said that not all utilities have been quick to embrace a world that demands more of a dialogue with customers. In response to the notion of posting a privacy policy, one utility representative from another part of the country told him, " 'We don't want to do that, because we don't want customers calling us and asking us questions about it.' That's not a very proactive response to working with your customers. You're probably just raising the ire of customers more than solving the problem," he said.

California's public utilities have learned to employ robust communication strategies for smart-meter rollouts. San Diego Gas and Electric (SDG&E) sent out at least five notifications to customers leading up to installations. "I think that really helped, because it wasn't like it was somebody knocking on the door," said Caroline Winn, SDG&E's vice president of customer services and chief customer privacy officer. "People weren't surprised to get the smart meter when we installed them."

While a combination of proactive communication and opt-out policies can help prevent customer confusion and minimize backlash against smart-meter rollouts, utilities have the long-term task of making sure that they add value for both customers and themselves. Some benefits involve little or no customer engagement: Smart meters can tell utilities, for example, when outages occur and help generate outage maps for customers (in the analog days, the utility didn't know about an outage unless a customer called).

Other aspects of smart meters involve more attention from a household. Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E), which has installed 9.1 million smart meters across northern and central California at a total cost of $2.2 billion, has experimented with a variety of methods for getting customers more interested in their data. "We deploy reporting with your bill that shows you your usage compared to your neighbor's, and that's highly motivating for some people," said PG&E Chief Information Officer Karen Austin.

PG&E's other programs include rate incentives for energy conservation during peak times, text messages that alert customers when their electricity usage crosses into a new pricing tier, and participation in the Green Button Initiative, which allows people to download their energy-usage information in a standardized format. The goal is to create a level of engagement with energy-usage data among consumers that has barely existed before. Ultimately, the hope is that when consumers see how much energy they use, they can try to use less.

"The utilities have been challenged with not properly educating consumers and not understanding who their consumers are, because they've never had to," said Durand of the SGCC. "In the past, it's been a one-way relationship . . . but those days are over." (Related: "Can Hurricane Sandy Shed Light on Curbing Power Outages?")
 
Here's that kooky, fringe, conspiracy outfit National Geographic:

the information collected by smart meters could reveal how many people live in a home, their daily routines, changes in those routines, what types of electronic equipment are in the home, and other details.




Privacy Concerns Persist as Smart Meters Roll Out

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2012/12/121212-smart-meter-privacy/

Christina Nunez

For National Geographic News

Published December 12, 2012

Energy consultant Craig Miller, who spends much of his time working to make the smart grid a reality, got a jolt when he mentioned his work to a new acquaintance. The man, who happened to be a lineman at a Pennsylvania utility, responded earnestly: "Smart meters are a plot by Obama to spy on us."


The encounter was a disheartening sign of the challenge ahead for proponents of the smart grid, who say that the technology can help the industry meet power demand, fix problems faster, and help consumers lower their electricity bills. Advocates of such a 21st-century grid are learning that they need to take privacy concerns seriously. Though smart meters are not, in fact, a domestic espionage scheme, they do raise questions: In a world where households start talking with the power grid, what exactly will be revealed? And who will be listening? (See related quiz: "What You Don't Know About Electricity.")

The term "smart grid" encompasses an array of technologies that can be implemented at various points along the line of transmission from power plant to electricity user, but for many consumers, it is symbolized by one thing: the smart meter. A majority of U.S. states have begun deploying the wireless meters, which can send electricity usage information from a household back to the utility remotely at frequent intervals. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, more than 36 million smart meters were installed across the nation as of August 2012, covering about a quarter of all electrical customers. In the European Union, only 10 percent of households have smart meters but they are being deployed rapidly to meet an EU mandate that the technology reach 80 percent of households by 2020.

Because smart meters can provide real-time readings of household energy use instead of the familiar monthly figures most customers now see in their electric bills, the devices offer a new opportunity for consumers to learn more about their own power use and save money. But the ability to track a household's energy use multiple times a day also presents some unsettling possibilities. In theory, the information collected by smart meters could reveal how many people live in a home, their daily routines, changes in those routines, what types of electronic equipment are in the home, and other details. "It's not hard to imagine a divorce lawyer subpoenaing this information, an insurance company interpreting the data in a way that allows it to penalize customers, or criminals intercepting the information to plan a burglary," the private nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation noted in a blog post about smart meters. (Related: "Pictures: The Energy Drain of Recreational Drugs")

The European Union's data protection watchdog warned earlier this year that smart meters, while bringing significant potential benefits, also could be used track whether families "are away on holiday or at work, if someone uses a specific medical device or a baby-monitor, how they like to spend their free time and so on." The European Data Protection Supervisor urged that member states provide the public with more information on how the data is being handled. (Related: "The 21st Century Grid")

A State-by-State Effort

As with many of the rules governing utility operations, regulations to address privacy concerns in the United States are currently embedded in a patchwork of state laws and public utility commission policy. Most experts point to California as a leader: Last year, the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) adopted rules governing access to, and usage of, customer data. The state has also passed legislation that requires utilities to obtain the customer's consent for release of their information to any third party. The CPUC was involved in producing a comprehensive report on privacy with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) that summarizes, often in chilling detail, the many ways in which privacy breaches could occur on the smart grid, and recommends best practices for preventing those breaches. "As Smart Grid implementations collect more granular, detailed, and potentially personal information, this information may reveal business activities, manufacturing procedures, and personal activities in a given location," the NIST report said.

George Arnold, national coordinator for smart grid interoperability at NIST, points out that many of these privacy and security issues have been dealt with in the health care and telecommunications sectors, for example. "Protecting the privacy of the information [on the smart grid] has been taken very seriously. . . . I think it's a good news story that policymakers recognize the importance, and both policy and technical tools are well in hand to deal with this," Arnold said. (See related photos: "World's Worst Power Outages.")

But no existing federal or state laws can be counted on to protect consumers' utility data as smart meters are rolled out across the country. At least one utility in California argued early on that it was subject to a number of existing laws that would address privacy concerns, according to Jim Dempsey of the Center for Democracy and Technology, which worked with the CPUC on its privacy framework. However, Dempsey's group found that no single law provided a clear answer regarding utility data, and that a new set of rules was necessary. "Almost every state has some kind of [privacy] law already," Dempsey said. "But the point is, those laws predate the smart grid, and they do not really account for the complexity of the smart-grid ecosystem."

With other states—including Colorado, Maine, and Texas—now formulating policy on smart meters, a consensus is emerging. Jules Polonetsky of the Future of Privacy Forum, which advocates for responsible handling of consumer data, says there is general agreement that utilities should have rules that govern how they can use smart meter data, and that a customer should be able to know and have access to the data being collected. Still, Polonetsky points out that as energy-saving applications and devices (such as the Nest wireless thermostat) proliferate, state privacy frameworks may have limited power. Utility access to data is restricted, but "some device that I buy and I activate may not be subject to utility regulations," Polonetsky said. His organization has introduced a privacy seal for companies that handle smart-grid data, with the goal of highlighting companies that are being proactive about privacy.

Resistance to smart meters in some areas, though confined to a small fraction of utility customers, has been vociferous enough that a handful of communities have declared moratoriums on installations. The city of Ojai, California, for example, declared such a moratorium in May, though it is effectively unenforceable. In Texas, one woman pulled a gun on a utility employee who was trying to install a smart meter. Beyond privacy issues, many smart-meter opponents cite fear of exposure to radio frequency waves, even though radio frequency exposure from smart meters falls "substantially below the protective limits set by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for the general public," according to a study from the Electric Power Research Institute, the nonprofit research organization funded by the electric power industry. (Related: "Putting a (Smiley) Face on Energy Savings")

Some states, including California and Maine, which has the highest penetration rate in the country for advanced meters, have allowed residents to opt out of smart-meter installation. So far, few customers have done so: In California, according to Chris Villarreal of the CPUC, the opt-out rate was less than half of one percent. The Texas Public Utility Commission is currently weighing whether or not to allow customers to opt out.

Miller, the energy consultant, has been working on a $68 million effort partially funded by the U.S. Department of Energy to implement smart-grid technology with rural electric cooperatives. He said many of the concerns about smart meter privacy run counter to how utilities actually operate. "The utilities go through all kinds of effort to reduce the amount of information they get," he said. "They see no advantage [in] collecting data with no operational value. If the data did not allow you [as a utility] to make a better decision about the operation of your grid, then there's no reason for a utility to collect it, and they won't."

High Ambitions, Low Public Awareness


Protecting homeowner data from interested outsiders will be crucial for the electric industry as it seeks customer buy-in on the smart grid, but the real challenge may lie in boosting the interest of homeowners themselves. "Our research shows that consumers generally overwhelmingly are unaware of the smart grid [and smart meters] and don't even know what those terms mean," said Patty Durand, executive director of the Smart Grid Consumer Collaborative (SGCC), a nonprofit dedicated to consumer education about the smart grid.


In most cases, the utility notifies the customer that the smart meter is coming, swaps in the new meter, and recovers the cost of deployment through a slight rate adjustment, so a homeowner may have little involvement in the installation process. That decreases the likelihood that a homeowner will understand what the smart meter does or how it is beneficial. (Related: "Smart Meters Take Bite Out of Electricity Theft")

"For the longest time, the relationship between the utility and the customer has been, 'Here's the power and you can pay for it'," said Villarreal of the CPUC. "Now with smart grid and smart meters, we're asking the customers to get more involved and providing them with a lot more information, and now they're starting to ask questions."

Villarreal said that not all utilities have been quick to embrace a world that demands more of a dialogue with customers. In response to the notion of posting a privacy policy, one utility representative from another part of the country told him, " 'We don't want to do that, because we don't want customers calling us and asking us questions about it.' That's not a very proactive response to working with your customers. You're probably just raising the ire of customers more than solving the problem," he said.

California's public utilities have learned to employ robust communication strategies for smart-meter rollouts. San Diego Gas and Electric (SDG&E) sent out at least five notifications to customers leading up to installations. "I think that really helped, because it wasn't like it was somebody knocking on the door," said Caroline Winn, SDG&E's vice president of customer services and chief customer privacy officer. "People weren't surprised to get the smart meter when we installed them."

While a combination of proactive communication and opt-out policies can help prevent customer confusion and minimize backlash against smart-meter rollouts, utilities have the long-term task of making sure that they add value for both customers and themselves. Some benefits involve little or no customer engagement: Smart meters can tell utilities, for example, when outages occur and help generate outage maps for customers (in the analog days, the utility didn't know about an outage unless a customer called).

Other aspects of smart meters involve more attention from a household. Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E), which has installed 9.1 million smart meters across northern and central California at a total cost of $2.2 billion, has experimented with a variety of methods for getting customers more interested in their data. "We deploy reporting with your bill that shows you your usage compared to your neighbor's, and that's highly motivating for some people," said PG&E Chief Information Officer Karen Austin.

PG&E's other programs include rate incentives for energy conservation during peak times, text messages that alert customers when their electricity usage crosses into a new pricing tier, and participation in the Green Button Initiative, which allows people to download their energy-usage information in a standardized format. The goal is to create a level of engagement with energy-usage data among consumers that has barely existed before. Ultimately, the hope is that when consumers see how much energy they use, they can try to use less.

"The utilities have been challenged with not properly educating consumers and not understanding who their consumers are, because they've never had to," said Durand of the SGCC. "In the past, it's been a one-way relationship . . . but those days are over." (Related: "Can Hurricane Sandy Shed Light on Curbing Power Outages?")
 
Trouble is, your new "smart meter" that electric utilities all across the country are installing, can detect the load of an incadescent bulb on your house grid.

Thus earning you a visit from Officer Friendly and his buddies:

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My electric bill went up significantly and inexplicably after they installed a smart meter on my house. I'm pissed and have no idea what to do, I really wish there was some market competition.
 
My electric bill went up significantly and inexplicably after they installed a smart meter on my house. I'm pissed and have no idea what to do, I really wish there was some market competition.

Gee, what a "shock"...

Not much you can do. You and me and everybody else is at the mercy of an unholy alliance of government and pseudo "private" enterprise.

One wants this technology for control and surveillance.

The other wants it because it boosts profits.

And so, we are fucked.

If you own a home with space, you can invest the $50,000 or so and get a solar grid/battery/inverter setup, that's about the only way out that I see.
 
Gee, what a "shock"...

Not much you can do. You and me and everybody else is at the mercy of an unholy alliance of government and pseudo "private" enterprise.

One wants this technology for control and surveillance.

The other wants it because it boosts profits.

And so, we are fucked.

If you own a home with space, you can invest the $50,000 or so and get a solar grid/battery/inverter setup, that's about the only way out that I see.

As much as I like the idea of energy independence and would probably jump at the first chance, I think if the power company provided people with reliable, affordable service for a long period of time then most people might very well continue with them out of appreciation and convenience.

Pretty sure 99% of people, however, would jump at the first opportunity to tell their power company to go fuck themselves.
 
One year several years ago I got a visit from the natural gas company who was "concerned" because my gas usage was so low (it was late November and I hadn't turned my furnace on yet; I keep my house cool in the winter to save money). They wanted to come in the house and inspect. I told them nothing was wrong, the meter is outside 30 yards from the house and it was none of their business what was going on in my house.

I'd love to go off-grid, but my main reluctance there is with batteries. It would be nice if there were a jump in battery technology, even if it were just an improvement in lead acid battery life.
 
My electric bill went up significantly and inexplicably after they installed a smart meter on my house. I'm pissed and have no idea what to do, I really wish there was some market competition.

Yeah, mine did too. I griped, but they said that the old meters weren't accurate. Yeah, right.
 
Trouble is, your new "smart meter" that electric utilities all across the country are installing, can detect the load of an incadescent bulb on your house grid.

Thus earning you a visit from Officer Friendly and his buddies:

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Quick! Hide under the bed!
 
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