Are you in favor of abolishing the police?

[AdamL]

Voted yes. Not sure what we need all these police gangs for. Replace them with elected local sheriffs so they can be held accountable.

 

[donnay]

Well, I'm not saying that I'm in favor of federal funding of state and local police forces. Matters of crime and matters of law enforcement are generally state and local issues under our Constitution.

Yes and the Sheriff's are constitutional. The police force is not. It is the standing army our founders warned us about. Not to mention, all across the nation they have dropped the entrance levels for people to become police. In some areas they are hiring guys with IQ's of 80. They are supped-up on roids and a detriment to society.

SHERIFFS ARE AMERICA'S LAST PEACEFUL LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST TYRANNY.
http://www.constitutionalsheriffs.com/

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

They'll have to set up a system that forces free people to be compliant with their demands. That's costly, and in a society that would reject coercion, unlikely to go smoothly.

To quote myself, look at how poorly our efforts in Afghanistan have been. Or Somalia. Or any number of places. And we're not talking about populaces steeped in voluntarist philosophy.

 

[Brett85]

I'll give you a hint, google: troops patrol streets of Boston 1775

Ok, police officers are not "troops," and that didn't even involve U.S troops, but British troops. Of course that would cause people to revolt, as it should've.

 

[Cabal]

 

[Brett85]

Yes and the Sheriff's are constitutional. The police force is not. It is the standing army our founders warned us about.

The 10th amendment of the Constitution at least reserves the power to state and local governments to create police forces. They definitely aren't unconstitutional.

 

[donnay]

Ok, police officers are not "troops," and that didn't even involve U.S troops, but British troops. Of course that would cause people to revolt, as it should've.

Police officers around the country are the new standing army! Again, have you not been paying attention?

 

[Brett85]

Voted yes. Not sure what we need all these police gangs for. Replace them with elected local sheriffs so they can be held accountable.

How could a county sheriff possibly control a massive city of millions of people like Chicago and New York?

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

Ok, police officers are not "troops," and that didn't even involve U.S troops, but British troops. Of course that would cause people to revolt, as it should've.

really...

Radical liberals must rely on tricks such as inventing new terminology such as "public policy" and "police" to try to make us forget our traditional principles

 

[Brett85]

I'm guessing the results will be about 60% in favor of abolishing the police and 40% opposed. We'll see how accurate that prediction ends up being.

Well, I'd say I was pretty close.

 

[donnay]

The 10th amendment of the Constitution at least reserves the power to state and local governments to create police forces. They definitely aren't unconstitutional.

Huh? Where does it say that? I think the 10th amendment is pretty clear:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


And the 9th is before the 10th:

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

 

[Brett85]

really...

Sigh, whatever. So anyone who doesn't support abolishing the police is a "liberal," which would also make Ron Paul a "liberal" and at least 40% of the people who post on this forum.

 

[TaftFan]

LOL @ those who want competing police services. One is hard enough to keep accountable.

 

[Brett85]

Huh? Where does it say that? I think the 10th amendment is pretty clear:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


And the 9th is before the 10th:

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Right, the 10th amendment reserves the power of law enforcement, police forces to be handled at the state and local level. There is not a prohibition on police forces in the federal Constitution.

 

[donnay]

How could a county sheriff possibly control a massive city of millions of people like Chicago and New York?

Police were not set up to control the people. That is where your thinking is flawed. They were set up to uphold the law and protect and serve the people--public servants. That being said Sheriffs and Sheriff's deputies could do the job.

Did you know that the Sheriff has more power than the Executive Branch of Government?

 

[Brett85]

That being said Sheriffs and Sheriff's deputies could do the job.

How could a Sheriff and a few deputies possibly enforce laws against crime in a massive American city? How could they be at 1,000 places at once?

 

[AdamL]

How could a county sheriff possibly control a massive city of millions of people like Chicago and New York?

What's the problem? Is it really that hard to divide the cities up into small districts with their own sheriffs like they already do for city council elections?

 

[donnay]

Right, the 10th amendment reserves the power of law enforcement, police forces to be handled at the state and local level. There is not a prohibition on police forces in the federal Constitution.

It does nothing of the sort. You keep on putting your indoctrinated interpretations in there.

Next thing you'll tell me is the national guard is the militia.

 

[Brett85]

What's the problem? Is it really that hard to divide the cities up into small districts with their own sheriffs like they already do for city council elections?

I guess, if you want to divide the city of Chicago up into 10,000 districts.

 

[donnay]

How could a Sheriff and a few deputies possibly enforce laws against crime in a massive American city? How could they be at 1,000 places at once?

By deputizing citizens. Allow the states to set up militias as per the second amendment.