Are you going to switch to Libertarian after the elections, or stay Republican?

[seeker1]

Is that how you see it?

If you register Libertarian it's completely useless. Libertarians will never win. Ever. The 2 party system is fine, it's just a matter of getting ethical individuals to run. I voted for a couple Libertarians last time and I realized I wasted my vote and would have been just as good not to vote at all.

By exercising your free will and voting your conscience, you WASTED your vote?

Why because your candidate didn't win? Is that all there is to this, picking the winning horse?

Obviously, my conscience is clear for having written in Ron Paul and never voting for Bush or Kerry. Did I waste it? NO! Did I win? NO!

But neither did those losers that voted for Bush/Cheney. They're guilty of selling us out just to win an election. Our country is near bankruptcy, over 4000 of our children have died, more than 1 million Iraqi's are dead but.....

Woohoo you GOP loyalists beat that sorry Kerry. The republicrats beat the demoblicans. You make me sick.

Not you Richandler...sorry for the rant at your expense.

 

[hillbilly]

Hillbilly

"Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master!"- Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson founded the Democratic Party. If you knew that you would also know that strict party affiliation and loyalty is a political flaw.

LOL.... I've been accused of being a Jeffersonian Rep more than once....

I guess if I were to label myself I'd have to call myself a Constitutional Conservative Crunchy Christian. I'd like to try & help to effectively return the Rep party back to it's more conservative roots.

Why is it that this one reply is focused on & no one has anything to say about the one immediately prior?

But you see.... it's not only from within that change can happen.

The collective "they" (the dems & reps that make up the majority of our congress & of course the 'elite') are coming at us from so many angles, not just from within is gonna work anymore. We need to all kiss & make up & realize that we need to tear this box apart from ALL SIDES! From within & without, accepting the unique different areas that each of us are uniquely suited. Some of us work it better from within (like me & you) & some work it better from without. and that's ok.

That being said, I have to say that as long as the people I've seen posting here really do change their voter registration back to Ind or Una or Lib or Con or whatever.... it does make it harder for those of us who are actively trying to make a difference from within.

For those who aren't quite sure:

From Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary (1931):
• Republic: 1. A common wealth; a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people. In modern usage, it differs from a democracy of democratic state, in which the people exercise the powers of sovereignty directly. 2. Common interests: the public.

• Conservative: Conservative (a) 1. Preservative; having power to preserve in a safe or entire state, or from loss or injury or waste. 2. Respecting old institutions, methods, customs, and the like; adhering to what is old or established; not given to change merely for the sake of change; said of persons and their principles; as, a conservative physician. 3. Within safe bounds; moderate; as, a conservative estimate; also, adhering to sound principles; believed to involve little risk; not speculative; as, a conservative investment; a conservative step in opposition.(n) 1. A person or thing tending to preserve from ruin or injury; a conserver. 2. One who aims to preserve from innovation or radical change; one who wishes to maintain an institution or form of government.

The above definition is why I am a Republican & why I will stay one. The Republicans of today are not representative of that definition & I am to change my lil corner as best I possibly can.

But change needs to happen all the way around, not just within the Rep party.

 

[HillbillyDan]

what's up hillbilly?

 

[hillbilly]

what's up hillbilly?

Well howdy there HillbillyDan! Nice to see there's more of us hillbilly-type folk round here.

Sippin on some moonshine, typin away; and yerself?

 

[HillbillyDan]

Got a few beers here meself. Enjoying my freedom, while I can!

 

[hillbilly]

Got a few beers here meself. Enjoying my freedom, while I can!

Ain't we all?

 

[HillbillyDan]

I think we need to press this as hard as we can until election day in Novemeber. I'll be voting for Dr. Paul even if he runs on no party. After that, we can make plans for the next wave of taking these bastards out of office, or whatever it is that must be done.

 

[hillbilly]

I think we need to press this as hard as we can until election day in Novemeber. I'll be voting for Dr. Paul even if he runs on no party. After that, we can make plans for the next wave of taking these bastards out of office, or whatever it is that must be done.

I think you're right. I like to think that Dr. Paul is perhaps helping to set the stage for Rand in 4 years. If enough of us get actively involved in changing the system (from within & without), it would certainly be the beginnings of some real positive change.

If enough of us take charge & get active now, it can happen in 4 years. Dr. Paul's message is resonating far & wide among voters of all affiliations. We need to capitalize on that.

If Dr. Paul does not make it through the primaries, I will be writing him in period.

All that being said, I'm well prepared for the upcoming & perhaps inevitable "run fer them thar hills!".

 

[nebulous]

Libertarian unless RP gets the Republican nomination then I may stay with this party. I only recently registered Republican so I can vote for RP in the primary.

 

[John P Slevin]

idiots stay

Wish you would reconsider, and here is why. You staying in the party, is the Neocon's worst nightmare

Utter nonsense. You walking away from the GOP is what they fear. They already know most idiots will stay.

 

[Number19]

In thirty years as a Republican in Congress what effect has he had on Congress?

That wasn't the question I responded to previously. But to answer your question, other than being a lone voice advocating Constitutional government, he has accomplished very little as regards to beltway politics. One thing he has accomplished is that he has refused to be corrupted and has survived to be the founding father of the Ron Paul Revolution.

 

[FreeTraveler]

That wasn't the question I responded to previously. But to answer your question, other than being a lone voice advocating Constitutional government, he has accomplished very little as regards to beltway politics. One thing he has accomplished is that he has refused to be corrupted and has survived to be the founding father of the Ron Paul Revolution.

One other thing he has done is kept the hope of freedom alive for some of us older voters who have been admiring him for many years. He is the single reason I have remained even marginally involved in politics for many years. How could I not, when he was working so hard, so alone?

 

[John P Slevin]

shut up

I wouldn't waste money on the Libertarian Party. They only care about the party and not about the overall picture. The Constitution Party puts the country above party affiliation.



All 3rd parties have stagnated because there are laws that actively work against them. Joining the Libertarian Party will do nothing but hurt any hope of getting 3rd parties on equal ground.

This last statement is the most self-serving, self-aggrandizing statement ever. You, sir, or siress, never actually have done a damn thing for ballot access ever, anywhere, ever, have you? So, why don't you shut your friggin mouth?

You have nothing to offer, no experience, no expertise, so, again, SHUT THE F UP! YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

i SPEAK AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE, AND I NEVER MET YOU, YOU IGNORANT, SELF-SERVING ANNONYMOUS IDIOT.

 

[josephadel_3]

Dear God, have you seen the 2004 Republican platform. http://www.ontheissues.org/2004_GOP_Platform.htm WOW! It's actually quite frightening. Socialism, fascism, and Christianity, and paradoxes like the death penalty, all mixed into one. YAY!!! As Ron Paul supporters, I know most of you are cringing at the majority of issues on this platform. The Republican platform is one big confusing lie. They mix the truth with lies, just like Satan. YAY!!!

I am assuming this is the most recent platform, but I know for a fact the Republican party must have been more libertarian in it its platform in the past. With a platform like this, I don't think I can remain Republican, but a good point is made that we must change it from within. However, it's gonna be a pain in the ass telling people, "I'm a Republican, but I don't support their current platform," and then answering their questions. I haven't made up my mind whether to stay republican or not. I was previously unaffiliated, and I think George Washington was right about political parties, that they will only divide the nation. Now we have these jackasses supporting the republican party no matter what. annoying indeed. I would rather switch to unaffilated, but that makes itmore difficult to support Paulites. Gonna have to make a pros and cons list.

 

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

I'll probably stay Republican. Dr. Paul has the right idea. We need to work within the Republican Party and take it over as much as possible.

The LP really hasn't done anything, and I don't see them doing so in the near future. They haven't even nominated a candidate yet!

Plus, I don't want to keep flipping back and forth between parties so I can support a RP Republican when one comes along.

 

[BuddyRey]

I haven't fully decided yet, but I think I'm going to stay with the Republican Party, join up with the RLC, and start working on trying to change the party from the inside.

 

[raystone]

let's say we are on average 10% of the voting power now of the Republican party,

has anyone with more expertise than me done any analysis on what power that translates to at the GOP local level, e.g. ability to be voted in as chairs, running as state congressional and senate levels, etc. ? keeping in mind we are ACTIVE members

 

[Scribbles]

I think I'll stay Republican as it will facilitate my eventual running for office far more than a third party could.

The Republican party is tool to leverage us into office. The benefit with using the Republican party is that there is still a significant base in the party that likes the ideas of liberty and strict constitutionalism, they've just been led with 'carrot on a stick' tactics into statism and socialism. Additionally the political system is set up in such a way that it is almost impossible to be a third party or independant.

But don't think I'll blindly vote for any Republican, I only vote for candidates that support well... basically a Ron Paul Platform, since I'm in about +99% agreement with it.

Also I would like to point out that we should all be supporting the local, congressional and Senate RP platform candidates as much as possible. Most of these guys need less than our average money bomb to basically secure their campaign.

 

[seeker1]

Yeah, that was my point.

That wasn't the question I responded to previously. But to answer your question, other than being a lone voice advocating Constitutional government, he has accomplished very little as regards to beltway politics. One thing he has accomplished is that he has refused to be corrupted and has survived to be the founding father of the Ron Paul Revolution.

We all support Dr. Paul and his commitment to us in the Congress.

In the context of changing the Republicrat Party for all his effort and access, it is a big zero.

Because it is a lost cause.

The two parties are the same party and accomplish the same ends. More government and less personal freedom for us.

There is no changing the Republican party, it is too entrenched. It's like a condemned building, we tried remodeling, but the sad reality is, it needs torn down and started again.

That's the only future for this revolution.

 

[Wendi]

I will never support a republican candidate again. They have proved this year, that they are the worst enemies to our freedom.