Are You a Trump supporter?

[brushfire]

Again, for me, I have to be convinced that the republican party collapses. For me to support trump, he must take the entire party down with him, in a giant ball of guts and fire, with no survivors. Like the Whigs of the 1800's - gone. At some point, gangrene can only be stopped with the knife and saw. Is Donald (cotton candy head) Trump, my man?

 

[FindLiberty]

...in order to hasten the collapse of the republican party. If I'm convinced he can wipe out the party and usher in a change, or a gap for the libertarian party, then I just may vote for him. How's that for holding your nose at the polls?

That's good enough for me. The MSM players that spat hate at Harry Browne, Ron Paul, Rand Paul etc. are now spewing against the Trump.
It's a little bit different this time with the wide public support from the great unwashed. (I wish we were here talking about Ron Paul
getting 47% poll numbers versus either Mr. or Mrs. Clinton while the MSM is wailing about how Ron Paul is still so absolutely unelectable.)

Of course I can see the danger with Trump.
So instead, vote for Hillary Clinton as the lessor of two evils? Or, vote for Rand Paul? Or, stay just home and get Clinton back in the WH?

Polls and MSM political pundits manipulate and attempt mind control to direct public opinion. There will be no revolution...

The way this usually plays out, the ballot only ends up with only two viable, "approved" choices. Then the outcome makes
no difference to the status quo. They simply eliminate any "Paul" choice chance early on, so his POTUS vote results remain in the <%5 range.

The two parties are ONE in outcome and performance. Just maintain focus on the "viable" candidates. There will be no revolution....

Go ahead and argue about A or B being the best choice. A hot, close race with vote counting irregularities is ideal, but just more circus.
You have a choice... every vote counts because it says so in your supreme court approved Right of Bill's and IKEA instructions. lol

Sorry, it's all rigged. Next time, just vote harder. Accepted final outcome control is maintained without having to go to the next levels.
There's:
Deception, Dropping out (Perot's daughters wedding?) or Going Independent at the last moment (Trump/Hillary 2016?) or some wild"
made up thing "drives" Trump to a 3rd party? (dangerous three-way race outcomes are tricky to control). It gets to be a game involving:
Dirty Secrets, Smears, Lies, Coercion involving releasing some crazy person or even Deadly Jackals if necessary.

There will be no revolution... but if all of the above fails in the primary or general election process, the Super Delegates and/or the
Electoral College bulwark finally gets to vote for whoever they want to. Trump could win by 69% of the popular vote, and Hillary could
still become POTUS. Maybe they will elect Rand Paul instead in 2016. It is all possible, though unlikely.

Somehow it will all get resolved for us, there will be no revolution... Should I stay home so your vote will then count for a little more?

I think Clinton is all lined up to become POTUS, but I also think Trump would be much more interesting than Hillary Clinton. lol

 

[openfire]

Again, for me, I have to be convinced that the republican party collapses. For me to support trump, he must take the entire party down with him, in a giant ball of guts and fire, with no survivors. Like the Whigs of the 1800's - gone. At some point, gangrene can only be stopped with the knife and saw. Is Donald (cotton candy head) Trump, my man?

Absolutely.

The GOP will no longer be of any concern to us. I've just received word that Trump will dissolve the party permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republicans will be swept away.

 

[brushfire]

Absolutely.

The GOP will no longer be of any concern to us. I've just received word that Trump will dissolve the party permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republicans will be swept away.

Not sure if its the truth, but the prospect gives me goosebumps

 

[William Tell]

Again, for me, I have to be convinced that the republican party collapses. For me to support trump, he must take the entire party down with him, in a giant ball of guts and fire, with no survivors. Like the Whigs of the 1800's - gone. At some point, gangrene can only be stopped with the knife and saw. Is Donald (cotton candy head) Trump, my man?

No, he is not. As has been stated, the result of a Trump nomination will be everyone begging for the establishment in 4 years.

 

[Origanalist]

Absolutely.

The GOP will no longer be of any concern to us. I've just received word that Trump will dissolve the party permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republicans will be swept away.

lol

 

[brushfire]

No, he is not. As has been stated, the result of a Trump nomination will be everyone begging for the establishment in 4 years.

Well, looks like we can trust the well informed American voters to make that decision. They'll fk us all with Trump, and then with more establishment.

I'm convinced that until the lights are out, and there's no food on the table, people will continue to have their heads up their a$$es. Politics are boring, and trans-gender kardashians are much more fun.

 

[Origanalist]

What are you expecting from a President Trump - Hitler, Stalin?

//

 

[Tywysog Cymru]

Again, for me, I have to be convinced that the republican party collapses. For me to support trump, he must take the entire party down with him, in a giant ball of guts and fire, with no survivors. Like the Whigs of the 1800's - gone. At some point, gangrene can only be stopped with the knife and saw. Is Donald (cotton candy head) Trump, my man?

If the Republican Party collapses what happens next? Do the Democrats rule virtually unchallenged? Does a new party take the place of the GOP? Is the new party any better than the Party it replaced?

The Republican Party's fall will not solve anything.

 

[jllundqu]

Trump: "Snowden is a traitor and should be hanged."
Trump: "Take out their families.. you have to take out their families"
Trump: "We'll waterboard and much much worse!"
Trump: (The military)"They'll follow my orders [to murder women and children]... believe me they'll obey."
Trump: "I'll expand libel laws and go after the media"

Do I support Trump?

No.... and if you do, you are a traitor to everything Ron and Rand fought for. You are a traitor to the founding of this country and if Thomas Jefferson were alive today, he would take Trump out to the white house lawn and put him out of his misery.

 

[Origanalist]

If the Republican Party collapses what happens next? Do the Democrats rule virtually unchallenged? Does a new party take the place of the GOP? Is the new party any better than the Party it replaced?

The Republican Party's fall will not solve anything.

This goes right here..


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...l-on-Trump-and-Republican-Party-NewsmaxTV-3-2

 

[William Tell]

Trump: "Snowden is a traitor and should be hanged."
Trump: "Take out their families.. you have to take out their families"
Trump: "We'll waterboard and much much worse!"
Trump: (The military)"They'll follow my orders [to murder women and children]... believe me they'll obey."
Trump: "I'll expand libel laws and go after the media"

And yet he has support in this poll. More than Cruz does in the other poll.

 

[brushfire]

If the Republican Party collapses what happens next? Do the Democrats rule virtually unchallenged? Does a new party take the place of the GOP? Is the new party any better than the Party it replaced?

The Republican Party's fall will not solve anything.

There are a lot of people who do not align with the Democrats. In fact, last I checked, most identify with the label "independent". So without a Republican party, we have a vacuum for that second party we "must have"... Do you think that everyone would just vote Democrat if there was no Republican party? I dont.

I'd find it interesting, for sure. Granted, there might be more than one party to fill the void, but I could see Dr Paul's vision of coalition over partisanship being a likely result of having the Republican party collapse.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Can we just agree that we are all allies when it comes to shrinking government, and reducing its control over us? I don't care if you don't support Trump as long as your support can be counted on for the issues that matter. Whatever Trump does once he's elected, we will almost all be on the same side in supporting or rejecting his actions as president.

Trump isn't proposing to shrink government - at all.

Poll should have a maybe option that I now want to switch my vote to. I am now in the maybe category due to Trump just softened his position on H-1B visas in tonight debate.

With the back to back neg rep I got for voting yes it is like I just went through Cersei Game of Thrones like walk of shame.

All for nothing because Trump completely betrayed those of us supporting him due to his H-1B position that he now flip-flopped on. This is depressing. Worse I may still have to hold my nose for a Republican just to hold on to the 2nd amendment and Supreme Court nominations.

I am in maybe, no option for maybe.

...hilarious that you're just now realizing that Trump's a fraud on immigration.

BTW, don't let these Trump supporters on RPF fool you. Most of them actively sought to sow division among those of us who supported Rand in his board. Most were never on board with the liberty candidate this race to begin with. When asked why, they would provide some stupid statement like "Rand is establishment", or "Rand endorsed McConnell". All the while they supported Trump and did their best to subterfuge any positivity in regards to Rand's race.

Yup, its amazing how many of today's Trumpanzees were yesterday's purists, trashing Rand over the Romney endorsement et al.

I suppose they started supporting Trump out of some weird sense of spite.

...which is, of course, utterly insane.

There will definitely be change, but not the kind of change you and others think. In 2020 they will be begging people like Mitt and Jeb to run again.

They think Trump's destroying the party establishment, opening up more space for a conservative/libertarian faction.

Nope. He's dragging the party leftward: further left than even the party bosses would like.

 

[CPUd]

 

[thoughtomator]

If you think that's a negative for Trump you must be completely ignorant of what life in NYC was like at the time. The city was nearly uninhabitable due to rampant crime. Think Detroit today but with 15 times the population.

 

[invisible]

I'm serious - I'm looking for the republican party to implode. Do you think Trump can do that?

The answer lies in how it's dealt with, and responded to. Look at how RPF is imploding. Just like trump himself, some significant portion of his supporters are incapable of conducting themselves as gentlemen. Rather than attempt to work together with others towards a common goal, they seek only to divide and destroy the efforts of others - this is the "wrecking ball" that they speak of, and many of them even admit that they want to destroy the party, or "take down" someone or something in general terms such as "the establishment" - it's very rarely about working towards anything positive, it's almost always about destruction or "taking down". They are confrontational, and look for any chance to argue, fight, and divide people. Simply witness the behavior of these people here, because their attitudes and behavior will carry over into how they interact with others elsewhere.

How has this been reacted to here? Some have attempted to fight, and have attempted to meet the confrontational attitudes and behavior head-on. Some have simply left, and either post much less frequently, or will never return at all. Others have called for "leadership" (Bryan) to address the problem, and offered various solutions. So far, Bryan has responded by allowing the destructive behavior to continue unchecked, and instead has censured discussion of the problem by moving threads out of sight to HT, and then locking them. The result is that the destructive behavior has been officially condoned, causing it to increase, which has in turn intensified both others continuing to participate less, or attempting to fight the problem. Either way, less positive discussion and action is the result. The question here, is why has Bryan allowed this problem to continue, condoned this destructive behavior, and censured discussion of the problem? For the life of me, I cannot see where there is any benefit to either himself or RPF, and he has not attempted to explain this in any way.

The same thing will happen within the party. Some will attempt to fight, some will lessen their participation or disengage from the party entirely, and others will appeal to leadership to help solve the problem. Leadership at all levels will be faced with the choice of either condoning the obnoxious behavior and attitudes, or expelling those who continue to exhibit destructive behavior and refuse to behave as gentlemen. Those in the positions of party leadership who condone (either explicitly or implicitly) the destructive behavior will see the same implosion that is occurring here at RPF, at whatever level of the party it is condoned. Those in the positions of leadership who expel those who cannot conduct themselves as gentlemen will continue have their local / county / state party organizations working towards the common goals they espouse and cooperate on, despite the differences that individuals may have. The question to ask here is, why has trump been allowed to continue with his ungentlemanly behavior (interrupting, shouting over others, ignoring the moderators) in the debates? Why haven't both the RNC and the debate moderators warned, and then expelled him from the debates for his behavior? If it is because they are afraid that he will attempt a indy run, he has pledged otherwise, so it would be easy to expose him as a liar - just as Bryan is allowing RPF to implode, there must be another reason somewhere.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Again, for me, I have to be convinced that the republican party collapses. For me to support trump, he must take the entire party down with him, in a giant ball of guts and fire, with no survivors. Like the Whigs of the 1800's - gone. At some point, gangrene can only be stopped with the knife and saw. Is Donald (cotton candy head) Trump, my man?

You do know what replaced the Whigs, don't you ... ?

 

[CPUd]

If you think that's a negative for Trump you must be completely ignorant of what life in NYC was like at the time. The city was nearly uninhabitable due to rampant crime. Think Detroit today but with 15 times the population.

He's saying the same things today about the US.

 

[Antischism]

If you think that's a negative for Trump you must be completely ignorant of what life in NYC was like at the time. The city was nearly uninhabitable due to rampant crime. Think Detroit today but with 15 times the population.

You only need to look as far back as a few days ago to hear what Trump thinks about the police state. Hint: Nothing has changed.