Are You a Trump supporter?

[Brian4Liberty]

He's consistently been for higher taxes on the wealthy.

Depends upon what kind of loopholes he wants to leave in the code. Theoretically he has proposed a lower rate for the mega-wealthy.

While the plan cuts taxes for all income levels, the biggest cuts involve the highest-income level, both in dollar terms and as a percentage of income. By 2017, the highest-income 1% of taxpayers would receive a tax cut of 17.5% of after-tax income, and the top 0.1% — those with incomes of over $3.7 million in current dollars — would experience an average tax cut of more than $1.3 million, nearly 19% of after-tax income.

In contrast, the lowest-income households would receive an average tax cut of $128, or 1% of after-tax income, in Trump’s plan. Overall, on average, the proposal would would cut income taxes by around $5,100 per person, or about 7% of after-tax income.
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http://fortune.com/2015/12/23/donald-trump-plan-tax-policy-center/

 

[susano]

She wants to pass legislation that will effectively put gun dealers and manufacturers out of business. We know how the Democrats in Congress will vote. It will be the weak Republicans that reach across the isle to give the Democrats the votes they need to pass this.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/


Besides these two points I pulled out of that page just take a look at that very long page of items infringing on the 2nd amendment.

Anyone who thinks Democrats and RINOs won't destroy the 2nd is crazy. They attack it from every angle possible, chipping away at it on federal, state and local levels. Ammo restrictions; taxes; making permit processes so difficult that they may as well not exist (and permits ARE gun control); mental health laws and stuff like this. They'll also keep creating fake shootings to freak out the sheeple.

 

[thoughtomator]

I never told you that.

Please don't tell me that imposing tariffs, taxes, and arbitrary regulations on trade is "free trade". Or if all else fails, resorting to militaristic threats.

This is an example of the grossly dishonest debate techniques that have degraded this forum.

I never in any sense made or implied any such claim. So your post is demanding I respond to a deliberately constructed strawman position which has no relevance to the discussion.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for behaving this way.

In the meantime, you have staked out a position where you appear to believe that the morass of unequal agreements that has been labeled "free trade" is actual free trade, and have moved to defend it.

Which places you in the position of someone who supports the present labyrinthine corporatist arrangements and believes it to be in any way free trade.

One of us supports genuine free trade and that one of us is not you.

 

[fcreature]

This is an example of the grossly dishonest debate techniques that have degraded this forum.

I never in any sense made or implied any such claim. So your post is demanding I respond to a deliberately constructed strawman position which has no relevance to the discussion.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for behaving this way.

In the meantime, you have staked out a position where you appear to believe that the morass of unequal agreements that has been labeled "free trade" is actual free trade, and have moved to defend it.

Which places you in the position of someone who supports the present labyrinthine corporatist arrangements and believes it to be in any way free trade.

One of us supports genuine free trade and that one of us is not you.

This is irony in it's finest.

Weren't you the one who just said,

Please don't tell me that you actually believe that what goes on under the label of "free trade" is free trade.

I ought to be ashamed of myself? I simply took your logic and threw it back at you, and now you are having a fit about it. Everything you just said to me can first be said of you in regards to the above statement you made to me.

Wow you are unbelievable. Even more delusional than I previously thought.

 

[thoughtomator]

I ought to be ashamed of myself? I simply took your logic and threw it back at you, and now you are having a fit about it.

If that's what you really believe, then you are mentally disturbed.

I'm not qualified to evaluate that. However, your dishonesty and trolling are something I am experienced in diagnosing so that's the last interaction we will have.

 

[francisco]

free trade and fair trade are two different concepts

 

[thoughtomator]

And while we're on the subject of who has sock-puppet accounts, an account from 2008 that has all of 331 posts and is suddenly very active again is as red as a red flag gets.

 

[fcreature]

If that's what you really believe, then you are mentally disturbed.

I'm not qualified to evaluate that. However, your dishonesty and trolling are something I am experienced in diagnosing so that's the last interaction we will have.

That's okay. Typical response one comes to expect from a Trump supporter. I'm really not that surprised. After attempting the normal sequence of accusations, selective responses, deliberate ignoring of facts you can't account for and finally some good old cognitive dissonance, you guys will generally shut down and just avoid contact with those who don't agree with you all together.

Do us all a favor and make it the last interaction you have on this forum.

And while we're on the subject of who has sock-puppet accounts, an account from 2008 that has all of 331 posts and is suddenly very active again is as red as a red flag gets.

Mods are free to look for account discrepancies all they want. They won't find anything. I'm not sure if you know this, but it's an election year. Typically that brings back website traffic for political oriented websites.

 

[susano]

I think there's differences between globalists and populists/nationalists.

The globalists are up to some very seriously evil stuff. The populists/nationalist(s), not so much.

It's still a choice between 2 evils. But the globalist's evil is downright Satanic. The populist/nationalist is merely a nuisance type of evil.

This. "left" and "right" are meaningless most of the time. Globalist and nationalist should be the new distinction. Nationalist carries negative connotations because the term originates in Europe and is associated with Naziism and race but whatever. The US isn't Europe. There is SO MUCH that is attached to the world view of globalism and it's all evil. Some things that come to mind:

Global financial architecture used to enslave individuals; sanctions to bully other countries; harmonization of laws and regulations; fake free trade; more and more centralized control over everything with usurpation of local will, for a few. BUT, that's just the government/financial/trade part. It's the social agenda that is demonic:

Not just live and let live but pushing gender bending, homosexuality and the like
Transhumanism/anti life
Hive mind
No freedom of thought, speech, religion
A special hatred of Christianity
Eventual state deciding who can procreate
Children belong to the state
Junk science like global warming
Population control by stealth
Fake pandemics
Forced vaccines
Cultural destruction through forced mass immigration
Mass moral degradation
Sexualization of children
Illuminati puppet brainwashing (see their idiot "entertainers")

And just about everything David Dees has ever done a cartoon on. Basically the most horrible future anyone can imagine or has been written about in Dystopian novels and science fiction. A real Hell on earth, as if things aren't bad enough already.

 

[Todd]

As a native New Yorker, I've known about Trump for over a quarter century - not 6 months - and find your label of "progressive" to be completely ungrounded in fact.

From you saying that I can tell that your familiarity with him spans a far shorter time period.

The guy is a player, full stop. He has no defined ideology.

Even more dangerous.

I remember when he was punchline from back in the 80's. So yeah I know he's a lifelong douche.

 

[AuH20]

This. "left" and "right" are meaningless most of the time. Globalist and nationalist should be the new distinction. Nationalist carries negative connotations because the term originates in Europe and is associated with Naziism and race but whatever. The US isn't Europe. There is SO MUCH that is attached to the world view of globalism and it's all evil. Some things that come to mind:

Global financial architecture used to enslave individuals; sanctions to bully other countries; harmonization of laws and regulations; fake free trade; more and more centralized control over everything with usurpation of local will, for a few. BUT, that's just the government/financial/trade part. It's the social agenda that is demonic:

Not just live and let live but pushing gender bending, homosexuality and the like
Transhumanism/anti life
Hive mind
No freedom of thought, speech, religion
A special hatred of Christianity
Eventual state deciding who can procreate
Children belong to the state
Junk science like global warming
Population control by stealth
Fake pandemics
Forced vaccines
Cultural destruction through forced mass immigration
Mass moral degradation
Sexualization of children
Illuminati puppet brainwashing (see their idiot "entertainers")

And just about everything David Dees has ever done a cartoon on. Basically the most horrible future anyone can imagine or has been written about in Dystopian novels and science fiction. A real Hell on earth, as if things aren't bad enough already.

 

[Todd]

And while we're on the subject of who has sock-puppet accounts, an account from 2008 that has all of 331 posts and is suddenly very active again is as red as a red flag gets.

Some people were actually "Active" with other priorities during the grassroots at the beginning and didn't have time to post a lot. I don't think we can read too much into that. I actually most often have positive experiencest when the people who originally joined stop by again.

 

[Warlord]

I'm rooting for him. the neocons heads are exploding and that's good enough for me

 

[fcreature]

Some people were actually "Active" with other priorities during the grassroots at the beginning and didn't have time to post a lot. I don't think we can read too much into that. I actually most often have positive experiencest when the people who originally joined stop by again.

Seriously. 2007/2008 was a far different time than 2012. Most of us were busy with different grassroots projects and at our local meetups trying our damned best to get Ron Paul elected. Not supporting some authoritarian goon who Paul, the man who inspired these forums, has vigorously condemned.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

This. "left" and "right" are meaningless most of the time. Globalist and nationalist should be the new distinction. Nationalist carries negative connotations because the term originates in Europe and is associated with Naziism and race but whatever. The US isn't Europe. There is SO MUCH that is attached to the world view of globalism and it's all evil. Some things that come to mind:

Global financial architecture used to enslave individuals; sanctions to bully other countries; harmonization of laws and regulations; fake free trade; more and more centralized control over everything with usurpation of local will, for a few. BUT, that's just the government/financial/trade part. It's the social agenda that is demonic:

Not just live and let live but pushing gender bending, homosexuality and the like
Transhumanism/anti life
Hive mind
No freedom of thought, speech, religion
A special hatred of Christianity
Eventual state deciding who can procreate
Children belong to the state
Junk science like global warming
Population control by stealth
Fake pandemics
Forced vaccines
Cultural destruction through forced mass immigration
Mass moral degradation
Sexualization of children
Illuminati puppet brainwashing (see their idiot "entertainers")

And just about everything David Dees has ever done a cartoon on. Basically the most horrible future anyone can imagine or has been written about in Dystopian novels and science fiction. A real Hell on earth, as if things aren't bad enough already.

How about property rights advocates and else?

 

[susano]

As a native New Yorker, I've known about Trump for over a quarter century - not 6 months - and find your label of "progressive" to be completely ungrounded in fact.

From you saying that I can tell that your familiarity with him spans a far shorter time period.

The guy is a player, full stop. He has no defined ideology.

Which is something I like about him. I'm sick of ideologues. The idea of Trump being a progressives is laughable.

 

[TheTexan]

He has no defined ideology.

Which is something I like about him. I'm sick of ideologues. The idea of Trump being a progressives is laughable.

He's a lot like HB34 in that way.

He accepts no label.

 

[susano]

How about property rights advocates and else?

Yes, that, too. In the New World Order global dictatorship we'll get allotments based upon how well connected we are and how much we go along with the group think. Eventually, I think procreation in the man-woman-family context will be outlawed and offspring will be awarded to the approved like LGBT global citizens.

 

[susano]

He's a lot like HB34 in that way.

He accepts no label.

I don't know HB34 but ideologues are dogmatic and I, too, refuse to be confined in that way.

 

[susano]

Looks good. Is the full version available online?