Are you a Constitutionalist or an Anarchist?

[Pod]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The French Revolution was indeed an attempt to establish anarchy within society, especially by killing the clergy during the "Reign of Terror."

And who was carrying out the Reign of Terror? The government. What is more it was a republican government. So how is that anarchy?

Fail. Napoleon was the monarch in their constitutional monarchy. The constitutional republic was enacted to replace them when the French got sick of Napoleonic bullshit.

So, if you want to avoid Napoleon rising to power you should go straight to the constitutional republic without intermediate steps.

Learn your history. After Louis XVI was executed France became a radical republic. Even Napoleon was initialy only a consul before dismantling the republic and proclaiming himself emperor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_First_Republic

 

[Young Paleocon]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The French Revolution was indeed an attempt to establish anarchy within society, especially by killing the clergy during the "Reign of Terror."

Wtf are you smoking. How is the radical Jacobins kicking out the moderates in the Congress, ripping up the Catholic church, creating the cult of the nation, issuing the levee en mass ordinance in 1793, imposing price controls, redrawing the French provincial map, centralizing a previously decentralized kingdom, and going to war with all of Europe in anyway not a massive state? It was Communism not anarchy, the intelligentsia ruled. Christ....read a book.

 

[Pod]

Actually both fail: 1793-1799-Jacobins institute the Committee on Public Safety and begin the centralization of France and the first nation wide communistic regime in history, then the Directory is instituted. Napoleon becomes First Consul and then Emperor after that.

In what sense was it communistic? It was ultra-statist, but statism is not the exclusive domain of communism. The radicals considered themselves republicans, proggressives and liberals.

 

[Brassmouth]

I am quite impressed with the poll results, for awhile I thought there was only like 3 of us.

We're growing.

I'm an anarchist, but I hold fears that if we had a true anarchy, a new government would rise up. Our current government has the potential to be small enough. If we had an anarchy, and it was taken over, the odds that it would be weaker then our Constitution are basically zero.

GOVERNMENTAL INEVITABILITY:
REPLY TO HOLCOMBE

by WALTER BLOCK

[url]http://mises.org/journals/jls/19_3/19_3_4.pdf[/URL]

 

[Elwar]

If the United States could get to the point of following the Constitution, I would be happy. And from there I would work toward improving the Constitution to get rid of the things that got us into this mess in the first place. Such as the 16th Amendment and the General Welfare clause, etc.

 

[Brassmouth]

If the United States could get to the point of following the Constitution, I would be happy. And from there I would work toward improving the Constitution to get rid of the things that got us into this mess in the first place. Such as the 16th Amendment and the General Welfare clause, etc.

If you're going to set impossible minarchist goals for yourself, why not go for the Articles of Confederation? Or simply a piece of paper that says "government sucks" on it?

 

[FrankRep]

It seems to me the Constitution has failed stupendously at limiting government, and now only serves as a pretense of legitimacy for the criminal gang operating out of Washington, D.C.

That the Original Intent could be so far maligned makes me wonder if the entire concept of restraining 'authority' is unrealistic.

The Constitution is just a piece of paper.

The PEOPLE enforce the Constitution.

 

[Pod]

The Constitution is just a piece of paper.

The PEOPLE enforce the Constitution.

If it is "THE PEOPLE" who must ultimately stay vigilant to prevent the government from enroaching on their rights, then why have a consitution in the first place?

In order to lull them into a false sense of security?

 

[FrankRep]

If it is "THE PEOPLE" who must ultimately stay vigilant to prevent the government from enroaching on their rights, then why have a consitution in the first place?

In order to lull them into a false sense of security?

The Constitution is just a contract, but contracts are useless if they aren't enforced.

 

[pcosmar]

The Constitution is just a piece of paper.

The PEOPLE enforce the Constitution.

Well, that was the plan.
And a good plan it was.

 

[Young Paleocon]

In what sense was it communistic? It was ultra-statist, but statism is not the exclusive domain of communism. The radicals considered themselves republicans, proggressives and liberals.

Maybe not communistic but more the first completely planned state, which I may incorrectly equate with communist. Attempting to replace religion with the cult of the nation, imposing price controls, Committee on Public Safety, and I can't quite remember but didn't they attempt to (or maybe it was just one of Robespierre's ramblings) make all pay/wages the same.

 

[FrankRep]

Well, that was the plan.
And a good plan it was.

Republics are better than Kingdoms and Monarchies.

 

[acptulsa]

So, the anarchists get all four of their tires shot out by media marginalization or whatever (more likely the very, very strange bedfellows that hanging yourself with the word 'anarchist' automatically gives you), and the minarchists get at least three tires shot out by the same means. The anarchists bitch; the minarchists get new tires. Then the anarchists hitch a ride with the minarchists (knowing we have soft hearts, despite 'liberal' claims to the contrary) and start shouting out the windows, 'Hey, look at whose car we're in now!!' Then people reload their guns and eye our new tires...

Yeah, gets old guys. What can we say?

 

[Reason]

fuck labels

 

[Brassmouth]

The Constitution is just a contract, but contracts are useless if they aren't enforced.

A social contract. Which, of course, isn't a contract at all.

YouTube - The Social Contract: Defined and Destroyed in under 5 mins

See also, No Treason, by Lysander Spooner.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

So, the anarchists get all four of their tires shot out by media marginalization or whatever (more likely the very, very strange bedfellows that hanging yourself with the word 'anarchist' automatically gives you), and the minarchists get at least three tires shot out by the same means. The anarchists bitch; the minarchists get new tires. Then the anarchists hitch a ride with the minarchists (knowing we have soft hearts, despite 'liberal' claims to the contrary) and start shouting out the windows, 'Hey, look at whose car we're in now!!' Then people reload their guns and eye our new tires...

Yeah, gets old guys. What can we say?

thats a damn good analogy. When are we gonna let these fuckers walk?

 

[acptulsa]

fuck labels

This. We don't even need to marginalize ourselves by using the word 'anarchist' on this forum in order to achieve those goals we have in common. Do we?

 

[Brassmouth]

Republics are better than Kingdoms and Monarchies.

Wrong again, my friend.

See Hoppe's Democracy: The God That Failed.

Monarchies are strictly better than democracies, because monarchs own their government and have a vested interest in preserving it, via low taxes, a docile populace, and by giving into intense demands.

Before democracy, there was also virtually no such thing as total war. Soldiers never involved the citizens. Now, every war is total war.

 

[mczerone]

summer vacation

So the educated are more likely to reject the notion that a piece of paper can enslave an entire population?

I get that you are trying to be pejorative (e.g. "those dumb kids will understand that they need government when they grow up"), but come on, recruiting high-school kids is supposed to be showing the 'youth enthusiasm' for Liberty.

Get your story straight, lest you alienate new arrivals much the same way the GOP at large is doing.

 

[FrankRep]

Wrong again, my friend.

See Hoppe's Democracy: The God That Failed.

Monarchies are strictly better than democracies, because monarchs own their government and have a vested interest in preserving it, via low taxes, a docile populace, and by giving into intense demands.

Before democracy, there was also virtually no such thing as total war. Soldiers never involved the citizens. Now, every war is total war.

A Republic is not a Democracy.