Are you a Constitutionalist or an Anarchist?

[rp08orbust]

I think that, in whatever form it may take, a government, by consent of the governed, that exists SOLELY for the purpose of defending all people's equal rights to life, liberty, and property (and is therefore funded not by taxes but by voluntary donations), is on the whole acceptable

Rejecting the authority of all non-consensual government is all I mean by "anarchist".

Where in the Bible is it stated that only monopolistic governments funded through force are acceptable?

 

[Epic]

You gotta be fucking kidding me.... All the mainstream Paul supporters have vanished to be replaced with a fucking anarcho debatatarian society. No wonder this place is going to hell.

It's not like the voluntaryists don't support Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has been a boon for the minarchists and voluntaryists. And voluntaryists would be very happen if the government shrunk to a constitutional size.

It's an anti-government message... until this government gets radically minimalized (which isn't happening soon), we're on the same team.

 

[FrankRep]

Do you really think they'd be foolish enough to invade a country with 80 million gun owners and no government to obtain a surrender from?

Good lucking fighting tanks and missiles.

 

[rp08orbust]

LOL, this is why I started this thread. I wanted to know what was happening to the Liberty Forest Forums.

We're deepening our understanding of liberty.

 

[Kludge]

Does someone have a link to an older poll asking this same question?

I found this one from about a year ago, but it's mixing answers a bit, IMO, and over 25% voted NotA (and the sample size is fairly small): http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=147541

 

[Epic]

...a government, by consent of the governed, that exists SOLELY for the purpose of defending all people's equal rights to life, liberty, and property (and is therefore funded not by taxes but by voluntary donations), is on the whole acceptable...

You are describing a voluntaryist society free of force. AKA "anarchy".

 

[heavenlyboy34]

If America went into Anarchy how long could it actually last until being invaded by Mexico, Russia, China, and every other country who would like to own a chunk of this country?

As long as people value their property, they will find a way to protect it. If we keep up the facade of the State, those countries will simply take us over with non-violent means (economic, "immigration", etc.). You can see this happening all around you if you just open your eyes.

 

[Crash Martinez]

Rejecting the authority of all non-consensual government is all I mean by "anarchist".

Where in the Bible is it stated that only monopolistic governments funded through force are acceptable?

True, true... Hmm, so maybe I've been looking at this the wrong way. Perhaps instead of having to prove biblically that all (other) forms of government are unacceptable, I only have to establish that anarchism is biblically acceptable in order to be free in conscience to advocate for it. That'd be nice...

 

[rp08orbust]

Good lucking fighting tanks and missiles.

If they shoot my house with a missile, then there's nothing left of it worth "owning", which you assumed was the purpose of the invasion.

 

[Pod]

I think that, in whatever form it may take, a government, by consent of the governed, that exists SOLELY for the purpose of defending all people's equal rights to life, liberty, and property (and is therefore funded not by taxes but by voluntary donations), is on the whole acceptable.

Sounds like anarchy to me.

 

[Kludge]

Sounds like anarchy to me.

... Only because he included "consent of the governed".

 

[Pod]

As long as people value their property, they will find a way to protect it. If we keep up the facade of the State, those countries will simply take us over with non-violent means (economic, "immigration", etc.). You can see this happening all around you if you just open your eyes.

Since we paid for all those tanks I`d homestead one and park it on my driveway.

 

[South Park Fan]

Good lucking fighting tanks and missiles.

Of course there would be no government to restrict those weapons from the public. And, as rp08orbust said, if they destroy our property, that gets rid of the entire purpose of the invasion.

 

[Epic]

Oh and by the way, there is anarchy on the world stage right now. As in there are tons of nations but no world government. It's anarchy.

 

[FrankRep]

If they shoot my house with a missile, then there's nothing left of it worth "owning", which you assumed was the purpose of the invasion.

They want the land and resources. They can build their own homes.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

They want the land and resources. They can build their own homes.

Itll just stimulate their economy

 

[fisharmor]

Still a constitutionalist, by a thread.
Although that video does infuriate me.
In the old west example, the sheriff shows up and stops the mob.
How many videos have you seen in the last year where the sheriff is the criminal?

The reason anarchy is so tempting, and the reason why it's on my list of things to read about, is because the abuses of government that we deal with aren't societal abuses. They're abuses by individuals who have been empowered to abuse us.

 

[rp08orbust]

They want the land and resources. They can build their own homes.

Where would they get the loans for this Marshall plan after they've bankrupted themselves pulverizing North America? The US government wouldn't be around supporting the IMF, LOL

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Where would they get the loans for this Marshall plan after they've bankrupted themselves pulverizing North America? The US government wouldn't be around supporting the IMF, LOL

Theyll just build with your bones.

 

[RevolutionSD]

For the Anarchists: We are a Constitutional Republic.


YouTube - The American Form of Government

This video was created by the JBS and their section on anarchy is a bunch of nonsense.