Are we paying to bring all these people from south of the border ?

[Lord Xar]

These sycophants of the state OR anarchists are soooo easy to spot.

In a free market, which we don't have....
In a non-welfare state, which we don't have...
In a limited consitutional govt., which we don't have...

THEN having open borders and unending immigration might not be a problem.

The fact that many of you are advocating for the unending flow of illegal immigration tells me 1.) You are a closet progressive hoping for dependents and government sycophants or 2.) you are an anarchist and want the fastest dissolution of the govt, as fast as possible.

It is hilarious advocating anti-liberty behavior as an excuse to generate liberty. Amazing.

C'mon, stop with this open border advocacy.... you sound like a bunch of jerkoffs trying to validate the non-aggression principle while your family is being raped in front of you, while state representatives are burning down your home.....

 

[Zippyjuan]

Who is advocating open borders? My argument is that we already spend enough on it. Tighter border security(expanding the police state) would not change the current situation. The kids are coming and immediately looking for people to surrender to- believing (accurately) that they will be held temporarily and then released. They aren't sneaking through and being caught but are doing it openly. What we do need to spend more money on is processing the kids. The ones from Mexico can be sent back immediately- the current law requires that the rest be processed and in the mean time temporarily allowed to stay in the US. They count on that. Or change the law so that they can all be immediately returned.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

These sycophants of the state OR anarchists are soooo easy to spot.

In a free market, which we don't have....
In a non-welfare state, which we don't have...
In a limited consitutional govt., which we don't have...

THEN having open borders and unending immigration might not be a problem.

The fact that many of you are advocating for the unending flow of illegal immigration tells me 1.) You are a closet progressive hoping for dependents and government sycophants or 2.) you are an anarchist and want the fastest dissolution of the govt, as fast as possible.

It is hilarious advocating anti-liberty behavior as an excuse to generate liberty. Amazing.

C'mon, stop with this open border advocacy.... you sound like a bunch of jerkoffs trying to validate the non-aggression principle while your family is being raped in front of you, while state representatives are burning down your home.....

Just to make sure I understand what you are advocating for. You want a continuation of interference in the market, you want a continuation of the welfare state, and the continuation of a large unconstitutional government; and because of this desire for a nanny state you want the government to continue to restrict immigration. I suppose it would be fair to say that you are a conservative, i.e. want things to remain as they are, and that I am a progressive, i.e. a desire for change from how things are.

It is hilarious advocating anti-liberty behavior as an excuse to generate liberty. Amazing.

It is hilarious advocating anti-liberty behavior as an excuse to generate liberty. Amazing.

It is hilarious advocating anti-liberty behavior as an excuse to generate liberty. Amazing.

It is hilarious advocating anti-liberty behavior as an excuse to generate liberty. Amazing.

I agree.

 

[Carson]

I suspect the criminals in the government are running children now like they when they were doing with guns. There is just no low they won't stoop to to get their way.

I mean really. Using children as a shield and further their conspiracies regarding illegal immigration. It would be interesting to see the money trail on this one. Imagine if we really did have a group illegally intercepting transmissions regarding this. Not that I could condone such a thing. But if we were forced to have one, I'd like to see it linked from them firing up the presses to the stiffing of Texas's illegal alien problem over to the citizens of Murrieta, California. The local government is going to have to foot the bill now.



Murrieta Official Warns Immigration Protests Likely ‘Every Time’ Buses Arrive

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/07/02/mayor-pro-tem-immigration-protests-likely-every-time-buses-head-for-murrieta/

 

[kcchiefs6465]

These sycophants of the state OR anarchists are soooo easy to spot.

In a free market, which we don't have....
In a non-welfare state, which we don't have...
In a limited consitutional govt., which we don't have...

THEN having open borders and unending immigration might not be a problem.

The fact that many of you are advocating for the unending flow of illegal immigration tells me 1.) You are a closet progressive hoping for dependents and government sycophants or 2.) you are an anarchist and want the fastest dissolution of the govt, as fast as possible.

Lol.

It is hilarious advocating anti-liberty behavior as an excuse to generate liberty. Amazing.

C'mon, stop with this open border advocacy.... you sound like a bunch of jerkoffs trying to validate the non-aggression principle while your family is being raped in front of you, while state representatives are burning down your home.....

I, uh... I really don't know what to say to that.

"We don't have a free market, therefore we need protectionist policies to save us."

"We don't have a free market, therefore wages should rise to keep up with inflation."

"We don't have a free market, ergo socialism."

Things broken are broken. Do you understand what I mean?

Your line of thinking could be used to justify anyone's pet project. And it is. From the wars, to the welfare state, to immigration.

 

[alucard13mm]

People cant protect their own property when the government is trying to take away guns from these property owner/ranchers....

 

[Zippyjuan]

People cant protect their own property when the government is trying to take away guns from these property owner/ranchers....

How many have been taken away?

 

[Carlybee]

Heard a theory on the radio today that the kids are being used by drug cartels. The intent is to tie up US Border agents with the kids so they cannot monitor other (such as drug) smuggling as well.

Like they monitor it anyway

 

[Carlybee]

Undocumented children caught on Texas border arriving at Bush IAH


HOUSTON -
The Department of Homeland Security confirmed that Bush Intercontinental Airport is now being used as a transportation hub to move undocumented children caught at the Texas border to other parts of the country.

In a press release put out Thursday in response to questions from Local 2 News, Barbara Gonzalez with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said, "ICE ERO officers from Houston and elsewhere will facilitate the transfer of unaccompanied children from the Rio Grande Valley through the Houston airport to the Department of Health and Human Services at locations around the country, as required by law.”

Customs officers previously used airports in Harlingen and San Antonio to do the same job, but the hub was moved to Houston because Bush Intercontinental has a greater number of connecting flights.


Immigrant children come to Houston to be flown to final...
The children are taken to a staging area at Bush Airport where they are paired with an escort agent and flown to other locations around the country to be housed with relatives or in foster homes.

"There may be a facility available in Boston who has space available for a family and children, and we're obviously the network that would get them to Boston," said Congressman Gene Green.

Government sources say the children won't be housed in Houston unless there is a flight cancellation that can't be rescheduled within 12 hours.

Moving the transport hub to Houston was deemed necessary because of the large numbers of unescorted children currently cross the border illegally in south Texas.

Houstonians advocating fair treatment for immigrants held a press conference in Terminal D at the airport Thursday afternoon.

Cesar Espinoza with F.I.E.L. said, "We want to point out this is a humanitarian crisis, it is not a political crisis. This is something that involves children, so special care needs to be taken of them."

Espinoza says he and other advocates were concerned about a replay of the demonstration in California early this week where anti-immigrant protestors blocked buses carrying undocumented women and children to a detention center near San Diego.


http://www.click2houston.com/news/u...on-texas-border-arriving-at-bush-iah/26779182

 

[LibertyEagle]

These sycophants of the state OR anarchists are soooo easy to spot.

In a free market, which we don't have....
In a non-welfare state, which we don't have...
In a limited consitutional govt., which we don't have...

THEN having open borders and unending immigration might not be a problem.

The fact that many of you are advocating for the unending flow of illegal immigration tells me 1.) You are a closet progressive hoping for dependents and government sycophants or 2.) you are an anarchist and want the fastest dissolution of the govt, as fast as possible.

It is hilarious advocating anti-liberty behavior as an excuse to generate liberty. Amazing.

C'mon, stop with this open border advocacy.... you sound like a bunch of jerkoffs trying to validate the non-aggression principle while your family is being raped in front of you, while state representatives are burning down your home.....

There are not enough +reps I can give you for this.

 

[Deborah K]

Bus them to the Hamptons or Beverly Hills. The problem will be solved immediately.

 

[euphemia]

This is just rich. Human trafficking right out in plain sight.

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

the idea of borders are a creation of the state and they go against the core principles of liberty. All individuals should be able to move any where they please. You have no right to tell an individual where they can and cannot live. There is no such thing as a nation. That's an authoritarian statist invention.

/leftist liberatarian

 

[kcchiefs6465]

the idea of borders are a creation of the state and they go against the core principles of liberty. All individuals should be able to move any where they please. You have no right to tell an individual where they can and cannot live. There is no such thing as a nation. That's an authoritarian statist invention.

/leftist liberatarian

This is a very disappointing attempt at an argument.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, being [2:34] AM, that you were drunk beyond comprehension.

..

 

[Valli6]

Border Patrol NOT checking aliens for Criminal records in their home countries!

Government is lying AGAIN!

If these were mostly women and children, why does ICE want 42,000 pairs of mens underwear in sizes up to XXXXXL?! http://nypost.com/2014/06/24/us-elastic-border-stretching-with-overweight-migrants/

Why are these people being kept hidden from view? Why are the windows on their buses covered up, so you can't see what's inside? Why isn't anyone allowed to see or speak with them - not even the congressman in whose state they are being warehoused?

There are hundreds of thousands of young men coming in, and Border Patrol is NOT CHECKING them for CRIMINAL RECORDS in their own countries!

Border Patrol can only check if they have already been arrested HERE and their fingerprints put into the United States' criminal records database! This fact comes directly from Border Patrol and ICE:

The criminal background check conducted by Border Patrol is compared with known criminal record databases in the United States only and is part of the processing of the illegal immigrants by their agency. This is done through fingerprint comparison. During the screening process, Border Patrol also routinely questions illegal immigrants on gang affiliations in their country of origin. Information obtained during this process is used to determine whether they remain in detention or released pending a hearing date.

http://www.murrieta.org/faqs/categoryqna.asp?id=38#572

 

[Carlybee]

the idea of borders are a creation of the state and they go against the core principles of liberty. All individuals should be able to move any where they please. You have no right to tell an individual where they can and cannot live. There is no such thing as a nation. That's an authoritarian statist invention.

/leftist liberatarian

But we should have to be taxed to pay for them to move here right? And then to support them when they get here right?

Oh and to pay for their children to be bussed, flown, fed, clothed right?

Liberty means you don't get to tell me I have to annex another countrys occupants and pay for it with my earnings.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

But we should have to be taxed to pay for them to move here right? And then to support them when they get here right?

Oh and to pay for their children to be bussed, flown, fed, clothed right?

Liberty means you don't get to tell me I have to annex another countrys occupants and pay for it with my earnings.

There are approximately zero anarchists or libertarians who support open borders who are arguing this.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

But we should have to be taxed to pay for them to move here right? And then to support them when they get here right?

Oh and to pay for their children to be bussed, flown, fed, clothed right?

Liberty means you don't get to tell me I have to annex another countrys occupants and pay for it with my earnings.

There are approximately zero anarchists or libertarians who support open borders who are arguing this.

Considering how many times myself and others have made this point clear, one could even color such remarks as dishonest.

I do find it rather ironic that those who at the bare minimum wish to use the government to force me to pay for the current level of interdiction efforts and gestapo tactics would even bring up the point of being forced to pay for something they do not want as being wrong (what an unfunny joke). Of course, I agree that they shouldn't be forced to pay for the welfare of those they do not wish to pay for, but I do not receive the same courtesy with regards to not paying for what I do not want to pay for. And of course, many quite literally want to build a fence across the lower portion of the United States.

For jobs, they say.

 

[Carlybee]

Considering how many times myself and others have made this point clear, one could even color such remarks as dishonest.

I do find it rather ironic that those who at the bare minimum wish to use the government to force me to pay for the current level of interdiction efforts and gestapo tactics would even bring up the point of being forced to pay for something they do not want as being wrong (what an unfunny joke). Of course, I agree that they shouldn't be forced to pay for the welfare of those they do not wish to pay for, but I do not receive the same courtesy with regards to not paying for what I do not want to pay for. And of course, many quite literally want to build a fence across the lower portion of the United States.

For jobs, they say.

Seriously does a case of Ebola have to come through before some of you get a clue that what is currently going on right now is extraordinary in comparison to what has been happening for years? There are no interdiction efforts. The administration orchestrated this exodus from Central America. Some of you need to learn to read. Border patrol has been told all but to stand down. The current efforts to move these children is only happening because of the publicity. I'm not repeating the points I have made throughout this thread but as long as a welfare state for illegals exists, open borders as a tenet of liberty is a fallacy. You can't have it both ways. Maybe when bodies start hanging from bridges in this country you will get it. The police state doesn't exist to stop illegal immigration..it exists to stop you and no increase in border security is going to change that. Better start looking at the invisible fence you exist inside every day.

 

[puppetmaster]

Considering how many times myself and others have made this point clear, one could even color such remarks as dishonest.

I do find it rather ironic that those who at the bare minimum wish to use the government to force me to pay for the current level of interdiction efforts and gestapo tactics would even bring up the point of being forced to pay for something they do not want as being wrong (what an unfunny joke). Of course, I agree that they shouldn't be forced to pay for the welfare of those they do not wish to pay for, but I do not receive the same courtesy with regards to not paying for what I do not want to pay for. And of course, many quite literally want to build a fence across the lower portion of the United States.

For jobs, they say.

OK what is your solution? Open borders at current welfare policies is bad no matter what your position is on borders. What is your idea of a logical way to resolve while maintaining our way of life and liberty?