Are we paying to bring all these people from south of the border ?

[amy31416]

Well I care because it's in my back yard.

NIMBY!

I do try to put myself in other people's shoes before I judge, but I still don't understand the anti-immigrant sentiment.

 

[AuH20]

Your US-born neighbor votes RepubliCrat, doesn't care about the Bill of Rights, and probably thinks America should be the world police. I have absolutely zero difference in opinion of them than I do illegals getting tax money. I don't excuse idiocy by accident of birth.

Legalize drugs, and take the power away from the cartels.

Just what we need. More aholes. It's so bad that we must start importing foreign aholes to supplement our large share. If you have a termite problem you simply mail order more to completely decimate the structure, so it finally falls on your head.

 

[Southron]

Your US-born neighbor votes RepubliCrat, doesn't care about the Bill of Rights, and probably thinks America should be the world police. I have absolutely zero difference in opinion of them than I do illegals getting tax money. I don't excuse idiocy by accident of birth.

Legalize drugs, and take the power away from the cartels.

Your US-born neighbors are probably the result of late 19th century immigration which gave us the massive government increases in the early 20th century.

I see little evidence that an increase in immigration will be beneficial to my liberty or yours.

Unless of course your liberty is tied to your wallet and you have something to gain by importing more poor, huddled masses.

Let's make citizenship actually mean something in this country.

No more birthright citizenship. Let's stop saying voting is a right.

Let's preserve what we have left. And make this country more like a private club for the like-minded and not a doormat for all the world's failed ideas.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Your US-born neighbors are probably the result of late 19th century immigration which gave us the massive government increases in the early 20th century.

I see little evidence that an increase in immigration will be beneficial to my liberty or yours.

And yet it was the immigrants and their descendents that opposed government abuses like World War 1, World War 2, Korea, & Vietnam.

Bring them on.

 

[Southron]

And yet it was the immigrants and their descendents that opposed government abuses like World War 1, World War 2, Korea, & Vietnam.

Bring them on.

Best case you get more of the same that we have already. (With an increase in population, which tends to also increase scope of government)

Worst case we are importing more people who will actively vote to take away your liberty.

Do you not like the 'liberty should be a private club idea'?

It seems to me the best way to sustain a particular form of government once you have achieved it.

 

[AuH20]

Best case you get more of the same that we have already. (With an increase in population, which tends to also increase scope of government)

Worst case we are importing more people who will actively vote to take away your liberty.

Do you not like the 'liberty should be a private club idea'?

It seems to me the best way to sustain a particular form of government once you have achieved it.

The mob is an enemy against liberty. Granted, the rule of the mob has been codified into law, that doesn't necessarily mean you augment the numbers of the mob. That's insanity.

 

[DamianTV]

But but but (mob rule) they have the Right to VOTE too! Hmm, yeah, I wonder how the vote of that many illegals on the issue of illegal immigration will turn out. Oh golly gosh, they voted to let in MORE illegals? Its a wonder why Border Patrol is just giving up. They only send 20% of these kids back even when they catch them at the border!

 

[AuH20]

But but but (mob rule) they have the Right to VOTE too! Hmm, yeah, I wonder how the vote of that many illegals on the issue of illegal immigration will turn out. Oh golly gosh, they voted to let in MORE illegals? Its a wonder why Border Patrol is just giving up. They only send 20% of these kids back even when they catch them at the border!

Imagine actively demonstrating in another country demanding citizenship and the perks that come with? You'd likely be shot.

Everybody wants their cut of our lifeblood. Wall Street. The MIC. The public section unions. The lawyer lobby. The European banks. The illegals. At some point, these groups need to get their asses kicked, in whatever order is preferable. I'm not a fan of the many thief collectives that masquerade around this country as legitimate organizations.

 

[sylcfh]

Your US-born neighbors are probably the result of late 19th century immigration which gave us the massive government increases in the early 20th century.

I see little evidence that an increase in immigration will be beneficial to my liberty or yours.

Unless of course your liberty is tied to your wallet and you have something to gain by importing more poor, huddled masses.

Let's make citizenship actually mean something in this country.

No more birthright citizenship. Let's stop saying voting is a right.

Let's preserve what we have left. And make this country more like a private club for the like-minded and not a doormat for all the world's failed ideas.

I oppose birthright citizenship just the same. I don't feel any different towards American citizens. For example, I don't support public education for the children of people who can't do basic math and lack the self control to raise a family responsibly.

I just don't see why I should prioritize whose handouts offend me more. Sure, adding immigrants on top of citizens leeching off the welfare state makes no economic sense, but in the same vein some of those Americans are bigger leeches than any illegal immigrant. A DEA agent, whose department should have been abolished a long time ago, does more damage to society than any immigrant.


America is already is a doormat, has been for most of its existence. Manifest Destiny is a pretty flimsy premise to base one's national conscience upon, and all of the problems with immigration are rooted in it.

 

[Zippyjuan]

But but but (mob rule) they have the Right to VOTE too! Hmm, yeah, I wonder how the vote of that many illegals on the issue of illegal immigration will turn out. Oh golly gosh, they voted to let in MORE illegals? Its a wonder why Border Patrol is just giving up. They only send 20% of these kids back even when they catch them at the border!

Current law only allows those from Mexico to be immediately deported. Also should note that illegals can't vote.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ion-seeks-change-in-law-to-speed-deportations

Obama Administration Seeks Change In Law To Speed Deportations

President Obama will ask Congress for about $2 billion in emergency funds and for a change in the law in an effort to stem the tide of Central American immigrants flooding the Southern border, according to a White House official.

The New York Times, which first reported the story, adds:

"Mr. Obama will send a letter on Monday to alert Congress that he will seek an emergency appropriation for rapidly expanding border enforcement actions and humanitarian assistance programs to cope with the influx, which includes record numbers of unaccompanied minors and adults bringing children. The officials gave only a general estimate of the amount, saying the White House would send a detailed request for the funds when Congress returned after the Fourth of July recess that began Friday and ends July 7.

"The president will also ask Congress to revise existing statutes to give the Homeland Security secretary, Jeh Johnson, new authorities to accelerate the screening and deportation of young unaccompanied migrants who are not from Mexico. Fast-track procedures are already in place to deport young migrants from Mexico because it shares a border with the United States."

Under current law, Border Patrol is required to take any minor who is not Mexican into custody and then turn them over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. Usually those children are released in the U.S. to a family member or put in foster care, while they await their day in immigration court.

Mexican children, on the other hand, can be quickly deported without going through that process.

Citing an unnamed official, The Associated Press reports the White House wants to apply that kind of "fast track" procedure to all minors, regardless of their nationality. The New York Times reports White House is asking Congress to "eliminate delays in deporting children determined to have no legal option to stay."

More at link.

 

[Lucille]

"Public health" is suddenly not so important to the Public Heath bureaucrats.

Medical staff warned: Keep your mouths shut about illegal immigrants or face arrest
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...uiet-about-illegal-immigrants-or-face-arrest/

A government-contracted security force threatened to arrest doctors and nurses if they divulged any information about the contagion threat at a refugee camp housing illegal alien children at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, sources say.

In spite of the threat, several former camp workers broke their confidentiality agreements and shared exclusive details with me about the dangerous conditions at the camp. They said taxpayers deserve to know about the contagious diseases and the risks the children pose to Americans. I have agreed to not to disclose their identities because they fear retaliation and prosecution.

“There were several of us who wanted to talk about the camps, but the agents made it clear we would be arrested,” a psychiatric counselor told me. “We were under orders not to say anything.”

The sources said workers were guarded by a security force from the Baptist Family & Children’s Services, which the Department of Health and Human Services hired to run the Lackland Camp.

The sources say security forces called themselves the “Brown Shirts.”

“It was a very submissive atmosphere,” the counselor said. “Once you stepped onto the grounds, you abided by their laws – the Brown Shirt laws.”
[...]
She said children in the camp had measles, scabies, chicken pox and strep throat as well as mental and emotional issues.
[...]
“We have so many kids coming in that there was no way to control all of the sickness – all this stuff coming into the country,” she said. “We were very concerned at one point about strep going around the base.”

Both the counselor and the nurse said their superiors tried to cover up the extent of the illnesses.
[...]
The nurse told me she became especially alarmed because their files indicated the children had been transported to Lackland on domestic charter buses and airplanes.

“That’s what alerted me,” she said. “Oh, my God. They’re flying these kids around. Nobody knows that these children have scabies and lice. To tell you the truth, there’s no way to control it.”
[...]
She said the breaking point came when camp officials refused to hospitalize several children who were suicidal.

“I made a recommendation that a child needed to be sent to a psychiatric unit,” the counselor told me. “He was reaching psychosis. He was suicidal. Instead of treating him, they sent him off to a family in the United States.”

Wow. That is a horrible thing to do to everyone involved.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

All you racists and Thought Criminals are reported to Big Sister.

 

[Carlybee]

I guess everyone is happy as long as they stay on Texas. California doesn't want them. http://toprightnews.com/?p=4170

 

[kcchiefs6465]

But but but (mob rule) they have the Right to VOTE too! Hmm, yeah, I wonder how the vote of that many illegals on the issue of illegal immigration will turn out. Oh golly gosh, they voted to let in MORE illegals? Its a wonder why Border Patrol is just giving up. They only send 20% of these kids back even when they catch them at the border!

Until they are voluntarily funded, and act within the confines of the law, and quit harassing the entirety of the population with their "Constitution Free Zone" 4th Amendment disregarding bullshit, I hope they all give up. There's lots of development in Arizona, Texas, California, and New Mexico. Who knows, maybe they become real ambitious and get real goddamn jobs.

As it stands, the poor migrant day laborer is far more righteous than the "work" they do. And what is the current talk? More drones, a fucking barricade, more checkpoints, and suspicionless stops with the intention of identification (literally, "papers, please"... except these jackboots don't say please and they aren't just harassing those the self-proclaimed conservatives wish them to harass)

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Until they are voluntarily funded, and act within the confines of the law, and quit harassing the entirety of the population with their "Constitution Free Zone" 4th Amendment disregarding bullshit, I hope they all give up. There's lots of development in Arizona, Texas, California, and New Mexico. Who knows, maybe they become real ambitious and get real goddamn jobs.

As it stands, the poor migrant day laborer is far more righteous than the "work" they do. And what is the current talk? More drones, a fucking barricade, more checkpoints, and suspicionless stops with the intention of identification (literally, "papers, please"... except these jackboots don't say please and they aren't just harassing those the self-proclaimed conservatives wish them to harass)

I love this post.

ITT:

People bitching about a group of people that largely wants to come here to work and better their lives and their offspring's lives. They're called welfare whores. To combat this, 'libertarians' want to hire bonafide, 100% welfare whores to stop migrant workers and trample on the economic and individual rights of those living here to do so.

 

[AuH20]

As expected.................Per the HHS.

http://www.infowars.com/hhs-report-1295571-obamacare-enrollees-may-or-may-not-be-legal-citizens/

A devastating new Health and Human Services (HHS) Inspector General report released on Tuesday reveals that the Obama administration has yet to determine whether 1,295,571 of the over 8 million Obamacare enrollees are U.S. citizens lawfully in the country.

 

[puppetmaster]

Hey Pelosi wants open borders also. She must be a libertarian leaning democrat.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Hey Pelosi wants open borders also. She must be a libertarian leaning democrat.

This is a very disappointing attempt at an argument.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, being 1:07 AM, that you were drunk beyond comprehension.

 

[AuH20]

Ron Paul: Our Hospitals are under Siege.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Ron-Paul-health-crisis-border/2014/07/02/id/580602/

"Our hospitals have already been under siege by immigrants,'' Paul, an obstetrician, said Wednesday on "The Steve Malzberg Show.''

"And with these thousands, tens of thousands, who knows how many [children] . . . you're going to see some very serious health problems . . . We've already overburdened many hospitals.

"In the 19th century, when we had a massive influx of immigrants, we were still cautious about diseases . . . Today, under these conditions, it just is essentially impossible to do this.''

Paul added that it appears the Obama administration is more concerned with other borders around the world than with U.S. borders.

"We spend way too much money worrying about the borders between Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan,'' he said. "And we don't seem to have any concern or policies that would be more sensible here at home.''

"We already have many problems in Texas and Arizona where individuals come over,'' he said.

Paul said the nation is too quick to heap benefits on those who cross the borders.

"One of my arguments for trying to stem the tide would be remove the incentives and not to get free everything, free medical care and free education,'' he said.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Heard a theory on the radio today that the kids are being used by drug cartels. The intent is to tie up US Border agents with the kids so they cannot monitor other (such as drug) smuggling as well.