Are we paying to bring all these people from south of the border ?

Illegal aliens are not eligible for food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security.
 
Carlybee said:
Me wonders why thou doth protest so much FOR illegal immigration.
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A) Because I know a lot of Mexicans who are the hardest workers on the planet.
B) Because this is all blown out of reality; the immigration rate is DOWN.
C) I do NOT want more laws restricting MY freedom.
D) I'm a Cherokee and y'all look like illegal immigrants to me. ;)

We need to fix what is broken- not break more of America with more stupid laws that will effect citizens as much, or more, as immigrants.
 
Zippyjuan said:
Illegal aliens are not eligible for food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security.
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But current law allows American-born, adult children of illegal aliens to seek green cards for their parents and siblings. You could drive a 12 wheeler through this loophole.
 
Screwed with a capital S!!

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-public-benefits-can-green-card-holder-receive.html


Supplemental Security Income (SSI)

SSI is a federal benefits program that provides cash assistance to low-income seniors (65 years or older) and low-income disabled children and adults.

Permanent residents cannot apply for SSI benefits until they have lived in the U.S. for five years. After five years in the U.S., a permanent resident will qualify for SSI only if he or she has credit for 40 quarters of work. There are special rules about how to count the 40 quarters, including:

Only work in the U.S. counts towards the 40-quarter requirement.

If the person receives any “means-tested public benefits” during a quarter, no credit will be given for that quarter.

The work of parents performed while a permanent resident is under age 18 can be counted, and

The work of a spouse performed during the marriage (as long as there was no divorce or annulment) can be counted.

Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)

TANF is a federal program that provides money to states to reduce poverty. Low-income families that qualify receive cash assistance, but must also participate in job training and other programs designed to eliminate dependence on cash assistance.

Permanent residents who have maintained their lawful resident status for five years can qualify for TANF, assuming they meet other program requirements. Even if an LPR meets general eligibility requirements, however, it is possible that the “deeming rules” described above will prevent the person from receiving TANF.

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

SNAP is a federal program that provides money to states so that they can help people with limited income purchase food. People who qualify for SNAP receive electronic debit cards that they can use to purchase groceries.

Permanent residents who are under 18 years of age may qualify for SNAP benefits. A permanent resident who is older than 18 will qualify for SNAP only if he or she:

has been in lawful permanent resident status for five years

is receiving “assistance” based on a disability (but only if the rules used to make the disability determination are as strict as SSI rules regarding disability determinations), and

has credit for 40 quarters of work.

As with TANF, the “deeming rules” described above may result in ineligibility.

Medicaid (Full-Scope and Emergency)

Medicaid is a health coverage program for low-income individuals, children, families, elderly, and the disabled. Each state runs a Medicaid program, though many give it a different name.

Two types of opportunities for medical care are offered under Medicaid: Emergency Medicaid and Full-Scope Medicaid. Permanent residents generally qualify for Emergency Medicaid without exception, assuming they meet the general, non-immigration-related eligibility requirements.

But to qualify for Full-Scope Medicaid, permanent residents must:

have been a permanent resident for five years, and

be in a federal foster care program, or

be a child under 21 AND live in a state that provides Full-Scope Medicaid to permanent residents, or

be pregnant AND live in a state that provides Full-Scope Medicaid to permanent residents.

Also, the “deeming rules” described above may apply.

To find out whether your state provides Full-Scope Medicaid to permanent residents who are under 21 or pregnant, contact your local, county or state public benefits office.

Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)

CHIP provides health coverage to children living in families that cannot get Medicaid because their income is too high, but do not have enough money to pay for private insurance.

To qualify for CHIP, permanent residents must:

have been a permanent resident for five years, and

be a child under 21 AND live in a state that provides Full-Scope Medicaid to permanent residents, or

be pregnant AND live in a state that provides Full-Scope Medicaid to permanent residents

The “deeming rules” described above may apply.

Medicare (Hospitalization/Free and Buy-In)

There are two types of Medicare: Hospitalization/Free and Buy-in.

Hospitalization/free Medicare provides health benefits to people who have worked in the U.S. and paid Social Security taxes long enough and are:

65 years or older

Disabled, or

Facing permanent kidney failure

Persons who have not worked long enough may qualify for the “buy-in” option.

Hospitalization/Free Medicare is generally available to all U.S. permanent residents, assuming they meet the other general, non-immigration-related eligibility requirements.

Buy-in Medicare is available to permanent residents only if they have held this status for at least five years.

Federally Funded Public Housing and “Section 8” Housing

Section 8 is a voucher program that gives low-income individuals and families money so that they can rent housing in the private market. Federally funded public housing provides government-owned housing to low-income individuals, families, the disabled, and the elderly. Usually, the federally funded public housing is owned or managed by a local government's “housing authority.”

Permanent residents are generally eligible for federally funded public housing and “Section 8.”

If there is one permanent resident in the household and other people living in the home who are not eligible for federal public housing or Section 8, the rent will probably be prorated so that the only person receiving the federal housing benefit is the permanent resident.
Social Security Benefits

Permanent residents are generally eligible for Social Security, which provides retirement payments based on work and earnings history. But one important eligibility criteria is that if the permanent resident's Social Security number was issued on or after January 1, 2004, the number must have been valid for work or the work for which the permanent resident is seeking credit must have been performed while the LPR was temporarily in the U.S. and had status as a businessperson or crewman.

Expect the Public Benefits Agency to Verify LPR Status

Usually, a permanent resident can simply show a green card to prove the required immigration status. But the public benefits agency may also get in touch with immigration authorities to verify the applicant's immigration status.

When the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) receives this sort of request to check on immigration status, DHS is not supposed to use the information to start removal (deportation) proceedings – except where the permanent resident has committed certain crimes.

If you have been charged with or convicted of any crimes (even if you received “diversion” or other alternative sentencing programs and even if any convictions have been expunged or “cleaned” from your record) you should, therefore, talk to an attorney before applying for public benefits.
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83% of the minors coming over are male and age 14+. If they are not deported and we have that unbalanced poor demographic it is only a matter of time they become an insurgent army with in our borders. People think it cannot happen here but that is a common theme throughout history and today outside the US.
 
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AuH20 said:
Screwed with a capital S!!

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-public-benefits-can-green-card-holder-receive.html
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Thanks for the link. SSI is only available to LEGAL residents after at least five years. Same for SNAP. TANIF is not payable to :
Ineligible or illegal aliens.
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http://www.dphhs.mt.gov/hcsd/tanf/tanfeligibility.shtml

CHIP? From the link in post above:
To qualify for CHIP, permanent residents must:

have been a permanent resident for five years, and
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Illegal immigrants are not "permanent residents".
 
Ender said:
A) Because I know a lot of Mexicans who are the hardest workers on the planet.
B) Because this is all blown out of reality; the immigration rate is DOWN.
C) I do NOT want more laws restricting MY freedom.
D) I'm a Cherokee and y'all look like illegal immigrants to me. ;)

We need to fix what is broken- not break more of America with more stupid laws that will effect citizens as much, or more, as immigrants.
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I'm part Chickasaw...my ggrandmother is on the Dawes Roll..so bite me. You are looking at old statistics..what is in question here is this current influx that is costing my state 12 billion dollars a year. We do t need more laws...we need to enforce existing laws. Oh and yes there are many lovely people from down there but there are also 100 000 gangs in Texas and Los Zetas is recruiting from illegals and from prisons.
 
Carlybee said:
Doesn't mean they aren't getting them



http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...al-immigrants-from-receiving-federal-benefits
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There is greater fraud among US Citizens but yes, fraud does occur. And they do pay taxes (unless they are paid in cash).

The benefit multiplies over the long haul. As the baby boomers retire, the post-boom generation’s burden to finance their retirement is greatly alleviated by undocumented immigrants. Stephen Goss, chief actuary for the Social Security Administration, told me that undocumented workers contribute about $15 billion a year to Social Security through payroll taxes. They only take out $1 billion (very few undocumented workers are eligible to receive benefits). Over the years, undocumented workers have contributed up to $300 billion, or nearly 10 percent, of the $2.7 trillion Social Security Trust Fund.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/17/m...ually-hurt-the-us-economy.html?pagewanted=all
 
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Good Lord..the naïveté is staggering. I've had these same debates with liberals and with Mexicans who want to retake Texas and who think we should give them reparations.
 
donnay said:
It will cause a war here. Illegals coming into this country wanting to have a better life, I have no problems with. But when we (taxpayers) are forced at the barrel of a gun to pay for them---the cost is more than we can bear.

The agenda has always been to bankrupt the American people so that government can come in and save the day--these illegals will be lambs to the slaughter...the FEMA camps will be ready for them and people will gleefully cheer it on.

The bigger picture is not a pretty one.
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A few border patrol agents have pointed out the serious diseases, including tb, that are being brought into the country. It seems their own countries are more than happy to get rid of their worst. The agents are now under a gag order to keep their mouths shut. From what I have read, these people are either being sent by bus or plane to the deep interior of the U.S. at taxpayer's expense ... probably to live out their lives on food stamps/welfare/ disability/free housing for the rest of their lives ... similar to Obama's Aunt, an illegal that is still sponging off us.
 
Illegal, but Not Undocumented
Identity Theft, Document Fraud, and Illegal Employment

By Ronald W. Mortensen June 2009

http://cis.org/mortensen/identitytheft

Why is it that Illegal Aliens Get Free Food Stamps, Health Insurance and Pay No Taxes?
http://thelawdictionary.org/article...ood-stamps-health-insurance-and-pay-no-taxes/

Americans who are struggling to survive due to high unemployment and low wages may be asking why illegal aliens receive benefits from state and federal governments. Federal law does prevent illegal aliens from receiving benefits meant for American citizens. The only benefit that illegal aliens are allowed is emergency medical care.

Just because illegal aliens are not legally entitled to these benefits does not mean they do not apply for them. Yes. It is true that illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability, public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state and federal agencies.
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Another way illegal aliens enter the U.S. is by using forged documents. If people at port authorities, international airports, and border crossings are not catching forged documents, foreign citizens have just entered the U.S. without question.
Once illegal immigrants arrive, they buy forged documents saying they are U.S. citizens. The only way to stop this is to crack down on those who make and sell forged documents. If employers, state, and federal agencies cannot tell a forged document from a real document, then of course illegal aliens will receive benefits.
 
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Yes- immigrants are all welfare using illness laden drug smuggling baby making liberal voting gang bangers.
 
Zippyjuan said:
Yes- immigrants are all welfare using illness laden drug smuggling baby making liberal voting gang bangers.
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No one is saying they all are and illegal immigrants are not immigrants who have chosen to immigrate here legally. Granted I believe it should be an easier process having seen it first hand. No one is saying they all leach off the system but enough do. No one is saying they are all criminals but enough are. Their home countries need to get their shit together and stop leaching off ours.
 
AuH20 said:
Here's the problem. Corporate America became so dependent on the Federal Reserve that they are now directly suffering from it's malfeasance. As a result of rising overhead costs (price contraction has been basically outlawed), they have decided that cheap, immigrant labor is the only remedy for their declining profits. Immigrant labor is a temporary relief to the monster they created. I'm of the mind that Corporate America should endure what the rest of country deals with on a daily basis.
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I agree that businesses should have to live with the same laws the rest of us do. The problem is that businesses have MUCH more onerous laws to deal with than common citizens. For example a business owner can't discrimnate, employees can.
 
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