Are we paying to bring all these people from south of the border ?

[kcchiefs6465]

It's solely about contracts. Fed gov agreed to pay for the after-career health care of it's servicemen. That's the issue here. The hypocrisy is stunning. Treating non-citizens better than those that are contractually obligated to care for.

It is impossible, you know.

It would be like me signing a contract to change the color of the sky. Sure, some folks might sign that contract. At the end of the day, people would be wise to know that the contract is unfulfillable. Much as they cannot provide fifty years of health care to severely disabled veterans. More so than immigrants across the border, the price to be paid for this empire and century of militaristic adventurism will be what collapses the dollar (a trillion dollars a year, right off the bat). But contracts are contracts, and morality is void when collectives act.

 

[Carlybee]

Hmmm...the illegals are not bombing anyone...the wars have cost taxpayers trillions...illegals cost a fraction of that...many illegals don't cost anything.

Bullcrap..no one is comparing it to the cost of war but if you don't think they receive entitlements you must not know any. I will repeat ..illegal immigrants cost Texans 12.1 billion dollars annually but I guess if you don't live here it doesn't matter to you.

 

[Valli6]

complaining about the conditions

Who fed these people during the 22 day trip? Who is supplying the rafts to cross the Rio Grande?
Which country's "armed police" charged them $15.40 to pass - on 8 different occasions?

This Honduran woman is heading for Lexington, Kentucky and talks as though there is already a job ready and waiting for her.
She says that she has not yet decided if she wants to stay.

...It took them 22 days to travel from their home in Honduras to the US before they were caught by Border Patrol agents just minutes after crossing the Rio Grande in a raft.

“He took everything from us, and he screamed at us and he told us to give him everything,” Maria said in Spanish. “He took our shoe laces, lotions, clothes, sweater and it was really cold. He just left us with the shirt we were wearing and the rest he threw away."

Maria never expected this to be her welcome to the US.

Maria and her son left their home in Honduras and embarked on a dangerous journey through Central America and Mexico.

She faced armed police along the way whom only let her pass if she paid 200 pesos ($15.40).

This happened to her eight times throughout her journey.

One time, Maria was also forced to hide her son so they wouldn't take him from her.

Maria thought the worst was over but she had a rude awakening when she and her son arrived in the Promise Land...
---
...Maria is headed to Lexington, Kentucky to reunite with her brother....

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=1060927#.U6hQqygdXZY (video at link)

 

[AuH20]

Who fed these people during the 22 day trip? Who is supplying the rafts to cross the Rio Grande?
Which country's "armed police" charged them $15.40 to pass - on 8 different occasions?

This Honduran woman is heading for Lexington, Kentucky and talks as though there is already a job ready and waiting for her.
She says that she has not yet decided if she wants to stay.

"No matter what your stances are we are still human beings and so that’s what this is about that’s what we are doing here is being human beings,” Canales said. “Treating people like human beings with dignity. Whatever their immigration status is that doesn't mean they are less of a person."

"Dignity" costs money in real world terms. Money that is robbed at gunpoint. We don't need any more excuses made so they can plunder our incomes even further or debase the currency.

 

[eduardo89]

The Mexican government is supposedly issuing special 30 day passes for these migrants to pass through their country. That's how orchestrated this whole event is. Normally, the southern Mexican border is near impossible to cross due to the high security there.

Source for that?

 

[Madison320]

Bullcrap..no one is comparing it to the cost of war but if you don't think they receive entitlements you must not know any. I will repeat ..illegal immigrants cost Texans 12.1 billion dollars annually but I guess if you don't live here it doesn't matter to you.

I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I'd sure like to see some free market solutions instead of government force solutions. The answer is not to buld a wall and prosecute businesses for hiring illegals (many of those businesses would be bankrupt if they weren't able to hire illegals. at least they are hiring some americans. that's better than none). Anyway there are lots of free market solutions. Mainly we need to remove the cost the government imposes on hiring legal workers. Get rid of the minimum wage. Payroll taxes. Discrimination lawsuits. Obamacare. If it costs the same to hire an illegal worker as a legal one, every single business would hire legal workers. Also if we legalized drugs there would be no need for illegals to enter the US to smuggle drugs.

 

[Carlybee]

I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I'd sure like to see some free market solutions instead of government force solutions. The answer is not to buld a wall and prosecute businesses for hiring illegals (many of those businesses would be bankrupt if they weren't able to hire illegals. at least they are hiring some americans. that's better than none). Anyway there are lots of free market solutions. Mainly we need to remove the cost the government imposes on hiring legal workers. Get rid of the minimum wage. Payroll taxes. Discrimination lawsuits. Obamacare. If it costs the same to hire an illegal worker as a legal one, every single business would hire legal workers. Also if we legalized drugs there would be no need for illegals to enter the US to smuggle drugs.

I would like to see some free market solutions as well but we know that is not going to happen before millions more are over here. It is not fair to have an immigration system where everyone except those who come through the southern border are required to not only comply with Visa regulations but they have to pay through the nose too. Why did my husband have to sign documents with DHS that he would not and could not apply or receive any sort of assistance as well as pay around 3 grand to immigrate legally from Canada while the govt is actively encouraging illegals from the south to come here ?

 

[AuH20]

I would like to see some free market solutions as well but we know that is not going to happen before millions more are over here. It is not fair to have an immigration system where everyone except those who come through the southern border are required to not only comply with Visa regulations but they have to pay through the nose too. Why did my husband have to sign documents with DHS that he would not and could not apply or receive any sort of assistance as well as pay around 3 grand to immigrate legally from Canada while the govt is actively encouraging illegals from the south to come here ?

We're not going to see free market solutions until the government crashes and is beaten to a pulp. That's just a fact.

 

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd&tab=core&tabmode=list&=s=opportunity&mode=form&id=c6d7c0050b912fbc917a46d6709d38bd&tab=core&tabmode=list&



Escort Services for Unaccompanied Alien Children
Solicitation Number: BERKS-RFI
Agency: Department of Homeland Security
Office: Immigration & Customs Enforcement
Location: ICE-OAQ-DM



More at the link

There has been an increasing influx of children coming across the border since at least 2010 (while total net immigration has been zero). The position was advertised at least three years after that (January 2014) to help deal with the kids already here- not to bring in more of them. NY Times article from 2012 describing some of the problems: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/u...ts-face-deportation.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

 

[Carlybee]

We're not going to see free market solutions until the government crashes and is beaten to a pulp. That's just a fact.

Yep and meanwhile.....

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

The way we've gone about caring for these people appears to be better than they were capable of caring for themselves. Free room and board, food, air conditioning, transportation to their desired destination. If Mexico granted them visas, then I'd send them back across the border. Once their Mexican visas expire, its Mexico's problem. If they traveled though Mexico illegally then Mexico can ship them back. Seems their border patrol failed at their duty. Just keep sending them across the border until they get the message.

The red carpet treatment is going to encourage a flood of immigrants. Harsher treatment will discourage this.

 

[Ender]

I would like to see some free market solutions as well but we know that is not going to happen before millions more are over here. It is not fair to have an immigration system where everyone except those who come through the southern border are required to not only comply with Visa regulations but they have to pay through the nose too. Why did my husband have to sign documents with DHS that he would not and could not apply or receive any sort of assistance as well as pay around 3 grand to immigrate legally from Canada while the govt is actively encouraging illegals from the south to come here ?

Fair? Name me anything that's fair in gov nowadays?

Social Security? Us young'ns should pay for the old guys' retirement, because SS is a Ponzi Scheme?

Madison is on the nose.

Free market has to start somewhere- asking for more laws to curtail everyone's freedom is NOT the answer- making major changes in Big Gov, is.

Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but I'd sure like to see some free market solutions instead of government force solutions. The answer is not to buld a wall and prosecute businesses for hiring illegals (many of those businesses would be bankrupt if they weren't able to hire illegals. at least they are hiring some americans. that's better than none). Anyway there are lots of free market solutions. Mainly we need to remove the cost the government imposes on hiring legal workers. Get rid of the minimum wage. Payroll taxes. Discrimination lawsuits. Obamacare. If it costs the same to hire an illegal worker as a legal one, every single business would hire legal workers. Also if we legalized drugs there would be no need for illegals to enter the US to smuggle drugs.

 

[Madison320]

I would like to see some free market solutions as well but we know that is not going to happen before millions more are over here. It is not fair to have an immigration system where everyone except those who come through the southern border are required to not only comply with Visa regulations but they have to pay through the nose too. Why did my husband have to sign documents with DHS that he would not and could not apply or receive any sort of assistance as well as pay around 3 grand to immigrate legally from Canada while the govt is actively encouraging illegals from the south to come here ?

One problem is that, for the most part, latin immigrants vote almost exclusively for the democratic party. So the democratic party wants to get spanish speaking immigrants here and voting by any means necessary.

But I'd still like to hear free market solutions. The problem is the republican party OPPOSES all of the free market solutions.

I'm afraid we will solve the problem by turning the US into a socialistic nightmare where no one is going to want to sneak in. From what I've heard that is already starting to happen a little bit.

Do you support laws against hiring illegal immigrants?

 

[FloralScent]

Yes plus paying to feed them, house them and help them find their relatives but most people here think that's just fine and if you disagree you are not for liberty.

"Most people" are Communist infiltrators.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Fair? Name me anything that's fair in gov nowadays?

Social Security? Us young'ns should pay for the old guys' retirement, because SS is a Ponzi Scheme?

Madison is on the nose.

Free market has to start somewhere- asking for more laws to curtail everyone's freedom is NOT the answer- making major changes in Big Gov, is.

Between that and the MIC, two trillion dollars gone.

As in, two thousand billion dollars.

Unfunded liabilities in the dozens of trillions. Ten dozen trillion by 2035.

To say there is no comparison between the invading counterfeiters of DC who on whim debase the currency 65 billion dollars a month, who rob the entirety of this country of every penny they're able to pay for death and destruction along with their ongoing global hegemony, and the migrants from the South would be such an understatement words are troubling to find. It's an unfunny joke how some speak with such certainty that I ought be robbed and able to purchase less and less yearly because of some faulty and shortsighted 'obligation' to someone. Nothing is more progressive in nature than such an implicit endorsement of the social contract and collectivist will.

The dollar will collapse. And not because of poor peasants from Latin America, either.

 

[AuH20]

One problem is that, for the most part, latin immigrants vote almost exclusively for the democratic party. So the democratic party wants to get spanish speaking immigrants here and voting by any means necessary.

But I'd still like to hear free market solutions. The problem is the republican party OPPOSES all of the free market solutions.

I'm afraid we will solve the problem by turning the US into a socialistic nightmare where no one is going to want to sneak in. From what I've heard that is already starting to happen a little bit.

Do you support laws against hiring illegal immigrants?

Here's the problem. Corporate America became so dependent on the Federal Reserve that they are now directly suffering from it's malfeasance. As a result of rising overhead costs (price contraction has been basically outlawed), they have decided that cheap, immigrant labor is the only remedy for their declining profits. Immigrant labor is a temporary relief to the monster they created. I'm of the mind that Corporate America should endure what the rest of country deals with on a daily basis.

 

[Zippyjuan]

What does the "big picture" look like?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...day-is-illegal-immigration-on-the-rise-again/

 

[Carlybee]

Fair? Name me anything that's fair in gov nowadays?

Social Security? Us young'ns should pay for the old guys' retirement, because SS is a Ponzi Scheme?

Madison is on the nose.

Free market has to start somewhere- asking for more laws to curtail everyone's freedom is NOT the answer- making major changes in Big Gov, is.

Me wonders why thou doth protest so much FOR illegal immigration.

 

[Carlybee]

What does the "big picture" look like?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...day-is-illegal-immigration-on-the-rise-again/

Old news now

 

[Carlybee]

One problem is that, for the most part, latin immigrants vote almost exclusively for the democratic party. So the democratic party wants to get spanish speaking immigrants here and voting by any means necessary.

But I'd still like to hear free market solutions. The problem is the republican party OPPOSES all of the free market solutions.

I'm afraid we will solve the problem by turning the US into a socialistic nightmare where no one is going to want to sneak in. From what I've heard that is already starting to happen a little bit.

Do you support laws against hiring illegal immigrants?

Laws against hiring illegal immigrants don't work if they are paid under the table or if they themselves become independent contractors. As for eVerify...well just another layer of bureaucracy...I would rather stem the tide. I know someone who is illegal who makes 80k a year as a paint contractor...her 5 kids are all on free medical and free lunches. I don't know how she slides by the tax return thing.


Oh and the gang members don't work..they do steal..if you can call that a profession. Drug war isn't ending in my lifetime.