Are We Allowed to Challenge Other Forums?

[Deborah K]

yeah this message board has like 100 subforums it's ridiculous

I actually like that about this message board. It keeps things organized. New Posts is really all you need to get going in a good debate, or to learn the latest.

 

[Mani]

If you want to do it for entertainment purposes, go for it, but I don't see it really spreading messages.

However, I do think on news articles or reddit or other more public areas with comments sections, I do think the messages can make a difference.


I think people on a specific party forum people have a certain belief and anything outside will be considered trolling.


Where as a public news article is read by anyone, people with Left ideas or right ideas or no ideas, etc. And I do think the comments section there will be people an opportunity to OPEN eyes and find out some truth. I don't think you can go all out and start talking about WAR ON US. I also hate it when there's a sad dog shooting story or police abuse and the comment says, "See what Obama has done!" and then it completely disintegrates into a LEFT/RIGHT argument instead of discussing the horrific behavior of the police. I do think it's VALUABLE to steer those conversations back to the main problem.


Sometimes I've seen ridiculous news stories about guy who's handcuffed in the back of a police car, with his hands behind his back...and he produced a gun and accidentally shot himself in the back of his head.

I've actually seen the media pass that off as a news story. That's when I think RPF can do a service and begin to MOCK THE FUCK out of that news story with comments. The MSM site should be mocked and criticized for allowing themselves to post such garbage and people reading that article, should see comments describing how absolutely false and ridiculous that stuff is. Or at least QUESTION! I've posted stuff like...Wait..following standard procedure he was searched prior to being put into the squad car and no gun was found...And his hands are BEHIND is back CUFFED. Where did this gun magically come from? And how did he even fire it, because it says his hands were STILL CUFFED behind his BACK! I think Houdini just did a WTF!? Or even just: So he shot himself in the head while his hands were cuffed behind his back? Riiiiiiight...

JUST SOMETHING to make people QUESTION what they read. and to make the media LOOK stupid for taking idiotic police statements and passing them off as facts.


When I see news articles just omitting facts or creating a completely false narrative dreamed up by the police and just passing it through, I do feel it's our job to QUESTION QUESTION QUESTION, because the media has FAILED it's job. They don't question anymore, they just print whatever the Ministry of Truth tells them to. I think it's our job to QUESTION and when the public reads a news article, they should see the comments filled with people punching holes in the story.

If you want to make a difference and add some value, spread information, I think that's where the effort can be made. QUESTION the media. POINT out the B.S. they are spewing on their own website. Fill out the comments area to make people realize, this story is propaganda, and allow the public to realize they are not being told the truth.

 

[fr33]

HP now requires phone verification. I stopped posting there when that happened, I'll have no part of their tomfoolery.

I haven't checked there lately but the last time I did, they required a facebook verification. I don't have one so there goes that. That's a pretty stupid change since I used my twitter account to register there. I enjoyed arguing with progressives at HB occasionally.

 

[jclay2]

I just checked out du for the past hour. It was truly hard to read. It sounded more like a sports forum than anything else. I think I would bash my head into a wall before seeking out a "debate" with these mentally challenged emotionally driven sheep.

 

[amy31416]

I haven't checked there lately but the last time I did, they required a facebook verification. I don't have one so there goes that. That's a pretty stupid change since I used my twitter account to register there. I enjoyed arguing with progressives at HB occasionally.

They would also have some libertarian-leaning articles that were pretty good. My inner conspiracy-theorist thinks that the site doesn't actually want genuine debate and that putting restrictions on those who would comment gives them better control of the narrative. In my opinion, the comments are moreso the pulse of the issues, and there is where the opportunity lies to spread some truth and make people think.

 

[Antischism]

I don't know if a site like DU is worth bothering with since I'd say the majority of posters are simply Blue Team supporters who toe the party line, regardless of what it is. I like the idea, though. It would be very productive if you first found ways to argue your points in a manner which would interest the intended targets and show that while you both have grievances with a particular issue, there are better solutions to it than what they may believe. Let them know that you are sympathetic to their problems, something which I learned through hearing Ron Paul speak, and that you truly do understand where the frustration comes from.

For example, we can all understand why people were frustrated and did the OWS thing, right? They didn't have a unified message, but the anger they felt is justified. They don't all understand where the real root of the problem lies, however. This is where people from this particular liberty movement can chime in and offer a differing viewpoint to hopefully spread the ideas and maybe start growing liberty on the "other side" of the fence. It would be nice if we had more liberty-minded candidates to choose from in both parties for the time being. Always keep it civil, always present evidence and ask for evidence, fact check, etc.

I'm not speaking as an anarchist though that's where I would ultimately like the country to be and it's what I would identify as, but simply as a citizen trying to make the best out of the system we currently have.

 

[Bryan]

I would certainly support this. Here is are my thoughts.

We can find a willing site to work with and agree on a general topic, such as healthcare, or Obamacare.
We would then choose a debate moderator for our site on this topic.

As a format, either or both sides could then come up with statements of support (or against) certain policy / positions. For example, we could say:
"Obamacare is bad policy."
"It is wrong to force people to buy insurance."

We would make a clearly marked post here by the debate moderator of these statements which they could then copy and paste into their site, and vise versa. In this way, there wouldn't be anyone having to sign up on others sites, so no worries of trolling, etc.

From there, the other site would either agree or disagree with each statement. If they disagree they could list points as to why, our debate moderator would then post those points and we could post counter-points, etc.

The goal would be to lead us to an end result of:

We agree on these points.
We disagree on these points, and here is why we support this point, vs. why the others support theirs.

or more complexly...

We agree on these points.
We disagree on this point
>>> Sub points we agree on
>>> Sub point 1 we disagree on
>>>>>> Sub-sub points we agree on
>>>>>> Sub-sub point 1 we disagree on
>>>>>> Sub-sub point 2 we disagree on, etc...
>>> Sub point 2 we disagree on
>>>>>> Sub-sub points we agree on
>>>>>> Sub-sub point 1 we disagree on
>>>>>> Sub-sub point 2 we disagree on, etc...
>>> Sub point 2 we disagree on
etc...

I don't see there being a winner of sorts so no money / prizes / bitcoins, other than an individual could donate to someone elses debate contributions. Here is where bitcoin really comes in handy.

I actually like that about this message board. It keeps things organized. New Posts is really all you need to get going in a good debate, or to learn the latest.

Thanks, yes. And we're around 40 + the state forums and with New Posts you can now also filter out content you're not interested in, which provides more value for having more forums.

One thing is for sure, we're not going to be able to change the world with 3 sub-forums.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

and please for the love of God find a more rational opponent than the DU lol

 

[Origanalist]

and please for the love of God find a more rational opponent than the DU lol

Debating crazy people is neither stimulating or fun.

 

[RJB]

Yeah DU is no good. They're as bright as your average neocon. I respect liberal/progressives who know that MSNBC is programming full of prostitutes as I do libertarian/conservatives who see the same of FOX News. Anyone who buys MSM talking points loses credibility with me.

 

[William Tell]

Bump.

 

[MelissaWV]

I have nothing to contribute except that this thread needs...

 

[mosquitobite]

I'd like to see a youtube debate, DU, RPF and RedState.

Now THAT Is something I'd pay to watch. we could poll here for our master debater and they do the same.

I nominate otherone!!

 

[surf]

I say we challenge all other boards to a soccer game, billiards, or a pot growing contest.

rules are already established for the first two, so that shouldn't be a problem....

 

[francisco]

I say we challenge all other boards to a soccer game, billiards, or a pot growing contest.

rules are already established for the first two, so that shouldn't be a problem....

Alternatively, there could be a pot smoking contest.

 

[James Madison]

Just as long as we get to do this...

 

[angelatc]

I say we challenge all other boards to a soccer game, billiards, or a pot growing contest.

rules are already established for the first two, so that shouldn't be a problem....

Quidditch.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Is anyone bored with the depressing echo chamber dog killing? We still need the news posted, but I wish we could focus on more information spreading to the opposite "team" and less ad-hominem attacks than shit that depresses me worse than Sarah Mclaughlin

When I was arguing for justice in 9-11 there was coherent information to deal with; hard facts, photographs and what they showed or did not show, engineering aspects; i thought it was a good idea.

DU banned me, which days their site is controlled. I've tried to register since and they seem to be able to identify me and prevent my registering again no matter which machine I use or where I try from.

The site itself opposes truth and justice, or it is so deceived that it does not know the difference between fact and hyperbole intended to mislead.

If that is the case, only very accurate information and perspective should be used and it needs to be agreed upon beforehand.

News is not something to agree upon. What it means, why we are hearing of it, what should be done about it; those are things to agree upon. But what to do about it requires real strategy.

Strategy that does not depend on anyone except for those that NEED its function. Now that is something worth agreeing upon and carrying over to DU to straighten them out.

This post has REAL strategy that Americans can put to work directly which destroys the dysfunctional control of party politics. I mean it just trashes it, and it does it with law that everyone can easily confirm.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...V-convention&p=5433668&viewfull=1#post5433668

One good sign is the thread starter had not even tried to oppose the strategy, and had been running from it since it was first posted at a Tea Party site which is actually linked. You can personally see the history of unaccountability of this element which appears as an infiltration.

Now that infiltration is something worth countering, but people have to know what they are doing.

 

[eduardo89]

Real money could be in play for the winning team. Paid in Bitcoin.

Bitcoin is not real money.

 

[Unknownuser]

Fuck yeah.

Need someone that can write rules for how this should work. Doesn't need to be too complicated though. We just instigate and fire up a conversation?

Would have to get into the trenches and create usernames on their forums. And they would have to sign up for RPF as well.

How about someone create a forum just for that reason. We can call it The Civil Forums or something to that degree.